Hope this helps !

Btw thanks for reminding me that despite Britain not declaring war until 3rd September 1939, the first evacuation of British children started on the 1st of September. Hence they would be recorded as-such on the 1939 Register which was taken on 29th September. My wife's tree has cases such as this, as her mother's family lived near the Naval Dockyards in Woolwich, London. You could try researching the births of the children at Annie Waters' house to find if they came from an evacuated city, with luck there are siblings or have unusual names and so ease tracing them ?

Appreciate this post is very old but yours caught my eye! As your family have been associated with Lea Bailey for so long, was wondering if you knew of an Annie Waters, she lived in The Shaw's, Lea Bailey, and died in 1954. I think she may have taken in evacuees during the war as there are children living with her on the 1939 census.

She would have been my maternal gt gt aunt!

Interestingly, there are buildings there called Banner's Cottage and... Knacker's Hole. I have also found an entry on the 1901 Census for George Robins. woodman (a 3xgreat uncle, and oldest son)living at Knacker's Hole, Walford, Herefordshire. I think this is the same place. If so the 'residency' rights must have passed down to him.

their residence was Lea Bailey

Lea Bailey Inclosure is probably a more accurate description of where they are ....

Bill Mills
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1574994

Little Purlieu Woods
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/603736

The map link is far better than I managed to find. I think the buidings tucked away on the north east corner of KHG look promising.

In 1861, my GG Grandmother was living with her parents at Lea Hamlet (Knacker's Grove) with her parents, her brother was living at Hope's Ash Farm and her husband-to-be was a servant to Alfred Wintle at Bill Mill. It's all within walking distance!

What had thrown me off the trail for ages was that on their transcribed marriage details in 1861 their residence was Lea Bailey. I contacted Admin and unfortunately on checking, they didn't write Knacker's Hole as their address.

The database is brilliant, but isn't miraculous!

http://www.geograph.org.uk/showmap.php?gridref=SO6318

and Knackers Hole Grove is just off the Pontshill to Walford road

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/896246

http://www.geograph.org.uk/showmap.php?gridref=SO6221

However, with a bit of help from Admin, I think the reference on the 1861 Census refers to an interesting place called Knacker's Hole, south of Bill Mill above the Hope Mansell valley. It is mentioned in the Gloucestershire records at British History online. It seems (to me) that it was a small island of Gloucestershire surrounded by Herefordshire!

My direct ancestors were last there in acout 1876, but others may have been there in 1841, when it was called 'Nackers', but beyond that I can find no other official records mentioning the place. There is a Knacker's Hole Grove near Little Perlieu on today's OS Map, however.

Does anyone have any other information? Thanks for your help.

Haydn

I think these are one and the same, and perhaps correctly should be referred to as the Lea Bailey Tithing. This stretched from the outskirts of what we know as Cinderford up towards Mitcheldean, and included the Lea Bailey Hill area.

As Cinderford developed and pushed out into the area around the Causeway / Dockham it " swallowed up" the lands that were in the Lea Bailey tithing.

At Cinderford, where new building was mostly on land in East Dean township, Flaxley parish, and Lea Bailey tithing, three small extraparochial places on Littledean hill remained outside the poor-law system until 1869 when they were constituted the parish of Hinder's Lane and Dockham within the Westbury union. (fn. 9) That parish disappeared in 1884 when East Dean's boundaries were extended to include most of the town. (fn. 10)

From: 'Forest of Dean: Local government and public services', A History of the County of Gloucester: Volume 5: Bledisloe Hundred, St. Briavels Hundred, The Forest of Dean (1996), pp. 377-381. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=23269 Date accessed: 28 February 2010.

However I do agree it can be very confusing i.e. is it Lea Bailey Hill nr Hope Mansell , or Lea Bailey tithing stretching up to Cinderford.

S

I am off to look at the OS map now, as well as the 1880s map on 'British History Online' website.

Haydn.

I will look at the links as well as the 'Find a Location' facility.

Haydn.

Lea Bailey is an area West of Wigpool Common and East of Hope Mansell.
Its name is associated with a wooded Inclosure, and number of cottages spread out in that area and Lea Bailey Farm. Its generally thought of as within East dean, however it was a Tithing in its own right and a detached part of Newland.
http://getamap.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/getamap/frames.htm?mapAction=gaz&gazName=g&...

Lea Bailey tithing, where Newland parish officers had administered relief only intermittently and had never levied poor rates, relieved its own poor from the late 17th century. (fn. 11) It came to be regarded as a separate parish and in 1836 became part of the new Herefordshire poor-law union of Ross. (fn. 12) In the 1880s Lea Bailey was dismembered and its constituent parts added to various adjoining parishes

From: 'Forest of Dean: Local government and public services', A History of the County of Gloucester: Volume 5: Bledisloe Hundred, St. Briavels Hundred, The Forest of Dean (1996), pp. 377-381. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=23269 Date accessed: 28 February 2010.

LEA BAILEY is a tything of this parish, in Ross union, containing, by the census of 1861, 231, and in 1871, 253 inhabitants. It forms a portion of the Ecclesiastical district of Holy Trinity, East Dean, and consists chiefly of scattered groups of houses, lying between Cinderford and Mitcheldean Road Station on the Ross and Hereford Railway.
from
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cbennett/newland1876.htm

The Purlieu is between Lydney and Blakeney , on the old Roman road, linking Gloucester and Chepstow.
http://getamap.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/getamap/frames.htm?mapAction=gaz&gazName=g&...

Does anyone know if this was a specific hamlet or just a collection of dispersed homes within the woodland?

Thankyou,

Haydn