Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Abiah BEACH/ LEADBETER 1816 ish Littledean Woodside

Abiah BEACH/ LEADBETER 1816 ish Littledean Woodside (reply)

Lancashire Lass — Mon, 09 May 2011 18:58:46 +0000

I too have found your site by accident like BSeddon - who happens to be my cousin. Not realising that we were both researching our history we are going to meet up to swap information! My mother Beatrice was George and Abiah's Great grandaughter and when she was 90 we had a family party for as many aged relatives as we could muster. One lady had been married to a son of Eliza Abia Beach and filled us in with names of his relatives and this included the names James Leadbetter and Jemima Morgan so I can confirm that link. She also confirmed that George moved to Wigan (Ince-in Makerfield) seeking work in the Lancashire coalfields. Having seen the family tree at the party my own daughter later decided to perpetuate the name and so my granddaughter now aged 9 has the middle name of Abia. In fact the name has been used in a few generations ie her daughter, Eliza Abia, then her great grand-daughter used a corrupted form, Bya (Atherton) and now her Great Great Great Great Grandaughter is using it in its original form. (I had in fact got George Beach's wife down as the first Eliza Abia but your records seem to suggest that she was just Abia). I hope you have found this information interesting.

Abiah BEACH/ LEADBETER 1816 ish Littledean Woodside (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 04 Mar 2011 10:54:21 +0000

Brian

This would be my "provisional" branch :-

Year: 1790
Month: Sep
Day: 7
Parents_Surname: LEIGHBETER [dies 1837 aged 47 ?]
Child_Forenames: James
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: [not stated]
Occupation: [not stated]
Officiating_Minister: [not stated]
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P228 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 6
Parish_Chapel: Newnham

Parents marry after his birth ?

Year: 1793
Month: May
Day: 22
Grooms_Surname: LEADBEATER
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: living on land adjoining to this Parish
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: STEEL
Brides_Surname: HICKS
Brides_Forenames: Sarah
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: living on land adjoining to this Parish
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: no register found
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Richard Terrett
Witness_2: Mark of Catherine Burris
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: John Harding
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P138 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 10
Parish_Chapel: English Bicknor

Year: 1810
Month: Oct
Day: 25
Grooms_Surname: LEDBETER
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: [not stated]
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Extraparochial place
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: MORGAN
Brides_Forenames: Jemima
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: extraparochial place
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: 1810 Oct 7 14 & 21
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: A Cooper
Witness_2: William Morgan
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: H Jones Offic[iatin]g Min[iste]r
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P110 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 61
Parish_Chapel: Littledean

Year: 1817
Month: Aug
Day: 3
Parents_Surname: LEADBEATER
Child_Forenames: illegible [believed to be Abiah]
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Jemima
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Little Dean Woodside
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: H. Berkin
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes: forename illegible
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 1
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

Ledbetter Littledean

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=1159

Year: 1835
Month: Aug
Day: 2
Grooms_Surname: BEACH
Grooms_Forenames: George
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Hundred of St Briavels
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: LEDBATER
Brides_Forenames: Abia
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Hundred of St Briavels
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Mark of William Toes
Witness_2: Mark of Mary Toes
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Yate Fosbroke Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P278 IN 1/11
Page_Number: 13
Parish_Chapel: St Briavels

Year: 1847
Month: May
Day: 1
Surname: LEADBETTER
Forenames: Sarah
Residence: Westbury upon Severn
Age_at_death: [not stated]
Officiating_Minister: Henry M Willis
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P110 IN 1/12
Page_No: 9
Parish_Chapel: Littledean

BEACH/ledbater (reply)

BSEDDON — Fri, 04 Mar 2011 09:58:08 +0000

Hi again mp and slowhands

Since stumbling across this site last month I've become somewhat addicted!!!
I've found it both fascinating and frustrating in equal measure and have grown to appreciate the time and effort that you guys must put in.

I'm new to ancestry searches and so I've been trying to develop some tree forming skills taking, as an example, the Leadbeater family through the 1800's.

To recap why, my great grandmother Eliza Abia Seddon was born in Ince near Wigan and you kindly provided the links back to Abia Leadbeater and George Beach who moved North from the Forest of Dean in the 1860's.
Further, you have stated that Abia's parents were James Leadbeater and Jemima Morgan.

I haven't found any direct link from Abia to James and Jemima. However, 2 other independent(?)sources on the forum also make this claim.
On what basis I don't know, but it's unlikely to be baseless. For me, there's ample circumstacial evidence.So, I'll take this on trust. Unless you have access to some records that I don't know about??

Moving on.........

I've been trying to establish the relationship between the various Leadbeater family groups recorded as "breeding" during the early 1800's namely

James Leighbeter and Sarah Hick married 1793

James Ledbeter and Jemima Morgan married 1810
John Leadbeater and Margaret Gough married 1822
William Leadbeater and Jane Jackson married 1836

On the baptism side I have located the following children (and churches). The parents were "James and Sarah" in all cases.

1790 James Leighbeter Newnham
1793 John Leighbeter Littledean
1797 Mary Leighbeter Littledean
1801 Thomas Leighbeter Littledean
1802 Ann Ledbetter Littledean
1807 Sarah Leadbetter Flaxley
1809 WilliamLedbetter Littledean

I've no idea how complete the parish records would have been around this time, nor how populated these parishes were. Perhaps you could throw some light on this?

One interpretation is that these are all the children of James and Sarah Leighbeter
ie James is the patriarch of the whole Leadbeater Clan in the Forest early on

and that

James Leighbeter married Jemima Morgan
John Leighbeter married Margaret Gough
William Ledbetter married Jane Jackson

This would make James and Sarah my GGGG Grandparents! Do you think that this is likely or just my naive wishful thinking? I'd welcome any thoughts that you may have....

BEACH/ledbater (reply)

m p griffiths — Sat, 19 Feb 2011 13:27:47 +0000

On previous census Abia(h) gives dob as 1815/16

Up to the Marriage Act 1929, girls could marry at 12 - and boys at 14 (with consent)

previous thread: re Marriage Act

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=29735

You could request for a close look at the baptism entry. The Gloucestershire Family CD - states Abiah?

Children of James & Jemima - all on FOD records (Jemima died 14 February 1848)

Timothy LEADBATOR - 1814 - Littledean Ind- died 10 June 1835, age 21, Littledean, Woodside

James - 1824
Frederick - 1826 - married Susan MEREDITH - 24 September 1845, Cinderford St John
Ephraim - 1828
Eliza - 1821

BEACH/ledbater (reply)

BSEDDON — Sat, 19 Feb 2011 11:08:49 +0000

In short yes. I believe that this relates to Eliza and not Abia. I can't link Abia back to these parents. However, there is an illegible Baptism dated 3/8/1817 which could conceivably be Abia. Unfortunatly her marriage record does not quote parentage. Also, if the 1821 baptism was correct she would have only been 14 at her marriage.... Again this makes the 1817 baptism more likely provided that there is a link to James and Jemima elsewhere

thanks very much for your cooperation with this querry, Brian

BEACH/ledbater (reply)

m p griffiths — Sat, 19 Feb 2011 11:01:09 +0000

Just had a quick look at my CD

Abiah? LEADBEATER, 3 August 1817, James & Jemima - address: Little Dean, Woodside, East Dean at Drybrook

Grandchildren about to decend - will recheck later.

The FOD records have the christian name as illegible - but parents and place the same

BEACH/ledbater (reply)

BSEDDON — Sat, 19 Feb 2011 10:50:18 +0000

Hi again m p

I have spent some time on the site trying to recreate the data that you so kindly provided. I believe that I have come across an anomaly relating to the parentage of Abia Ledbater who married George Beach in 1835. I would like to discuss this with someone. Would it be appropriate to raise it with yourself?

Regards Brian

BEACH/ledbater (reply)

BSEDDON — Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:23:24 +0000

Wow! So presumably the Beach family moved up North for work related reasons. This enabled James and Eliza to meet and for me to have a life... Many thanks for such a speedy and comprehensive reply

Brian

BEACH/ledbater (reply)

m p griffiths — Thu, 17 Feb 2011 17:12:20 +0000

Marriage on FOD records- at St Briavels - 2 August 1835

George BEACH, Bachelor - residence - Hundred of St Briavels ****
married
Abia LEDBATER - Spinster, - residence - Hundred of St Briavels ***

by Banns

mark of William & Mary TOES

Christening at Littledean St Ethelbert - 17 January 1821

Abiah LEADBEATER - parents James (Coalminer) & Jemima

*****

Christening at Bream St James - 28 March 1813

George BEACH - parents Thomas (Coalminer) and Mary - address Whitecroft

previous thread

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=1159

and George BEACH - Woodside previous thread

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=8572

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Marriage Little Dean - 25 October 1810 by Banns

James LEDBETER married Jemima MORGAN - both extra parochial

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1841 Census, Glos. Dean Forest
Ross, Woodside

BEACH

George - 25 - Collier, all born in County
Abiah - 25
Ellen - 5
Thomas - 3

1851 Census, Glos East Dean - Woodside

BEACH

George - 37 - Coal Miner, born Glos West Dean
Abiah - 36 - born Glos. East Dean
Ellen - 15 - born ditto
Thomas - 13 - Coal Miner - born ditto
Mary - 9
Annie - 7
Anny - 5
George - 1

two lodgers Charles and Thomas HALE/HALL

Following on from the 1861 census in previous link

this is George BEACH who in 1861 was a Coal Miner, in Gloucestershire with his wife and family + Abia

1891 Census - Lancashire, Ince in Makerfield

7 Brown Street

George BEACH - Wd - 78, living on own means, born Whitecroft, Glos
William BEACH - son - unmarried age 35 - Coalminer, born ditto
Mary Ann BEACH - niece - 17 - born Aspall, Lancashire

1881 Census - Ince in Makerfield

7 Brown Street

BEECH

George - 68 - Coalminer, born Glos. Soudley
Abia - 66 - born ditto
George - 31 -
William - 31
Mary A BEECH 8 - born Lancs. Ince

1871 Census - Ince in Makerfield
Manchester Road

George BEACH - 59 - Coalminer, born Forest of Dean
Abia BEACH - 57 - born ditto
George BEACH - 21 - born ditto
William BEACH - 17 - born ditto
Eliza BEACH - 15 - Cotton Weaver, born FOD
Mary MORRIS - Grand-daughter age 6 - born Lancs. Aspull
John STOTT - adopted orphan - unmarried - age 16, Colliery Labourer, born Lancs. Liverpool
John L WELLS - lodger, unmarried, age 19 shoemaker, born, Lancs. Standish

Eliza Abia SEDDON nee BEACH 1857 FoD -> Wigan LANCS (reply)

BSEDDON — Thu, 17 Feb 2011 16:45:10 +0000

Hi Slowhands,

I came across your webpage quite by accident following a link on a 123people page belonging to a Martha Atherton who appears to live in Calafornia!!! It started with a unlikely google search for Eliza Abia Seddon who was my great grandmother. Are you also related to her in someway? Her 3rd child George was my grandfather and I remember him well. Quite how his father James and Eliza got together is a bit of a mystery given the distances (Ince and Gloucester) involved. Any info you have that would point me towards her ancestry would be appreciated. If you have any interest in her her descendents I would be happy to oblige

Regards Brian

Ps For the record, her second child Martha appears to have married one Thomas Atherton which may have given rise to the eventual Calafornian connection...

Eliza Abia SEDDON nee BEACH 1857 FoD -> Wigan LANCS

slowhands — Fri, 05 Mar 2010 06:55:25 +0000

1861 Causeway Rd
George Beach abt 1813 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Alia Beach abt 1815 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Beach abt 1839 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Annis Beach abt 1845 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Amy Beach abt 1847 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
George Beach Junr abt 1850 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Moses Beach 1852 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
William Beach abt 1855 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Eliza A Beach abt 1857 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

1871 Ince
George Beach 59
Abia Beach 57
George Beach 21
William Beach 17
Eliza Beach 15
Mary Morris 6
John Stott 16
John L Wells 19

Name:James Seddon
Name: Eliza Abia Beach
Year of Registration: 1875
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Wigan
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 120

1881
James Seddon abt 1854 Ince, Lancashire, England Head Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire
Eliza. Abia Seddon abt 1857 Woodside, Gloucestershire, England Wife Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire
Peter Seddon abt 1877 Ince, Lancashire, England Son Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire
Martha Seddon abt 1879 Ince, Lancashire, England Daughter Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire
George Seddon Ince, Lancashire, England Son Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire

1891
James Seddon abt 1854 Ince, Lancashire, England Head Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire
Eliza A Seddon abt 1857 Cinderfold, Gloucestershire, England Wife Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire
Peter Seddon abt 1877 Ince, Lancashire, England Son Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire
Martha Seddon abt 1879 Ince, Lancashire, England Daughter Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire
George Seddon abt 1881 Ince, Lancashire, England Son Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire
Abia Seddon abt 1883 Ince, Lancashire, England Daughter Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire
James Seddon abt 1885 Ince, Lancashire, England Son Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire
John Seddon abt 1887 Ince, Lancashire, England Son Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire

1901
Eliza Seddon abt 1857 Deanfowest, Gloucestershire, England Head Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire
George Seddon abt 1881 Ince, Lancashire, England Son Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire
Bya Seddon abt 1883 Ince, Lancashire, England Daughter Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire
James Seddon abt 1885 Ince, Lancashire, England Son Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire
John Seddon abt 1887 Ince, Lancashire, England Son Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire
Thomas Seddon abt 1892 Ince, Lancashire, England Son Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire
Thomas Atherton abt 1878 Ince, Lancashire, England Son-in-law Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire
Martha Atherton abt 1879 Ince, Lancashire, England Daughter Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire
Frank S Atherton abt 1900 Ince, Lancashire, England Grandson Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire