Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Evangeline Amanda ROBERTS 1864 Joys Green

Evangeline Amanda ROBERTS 1864 Joys Green (reply)

LJM — Wed, 24 Mar 2010 03:27:42 +0000

Thank you. This has been very, very helpful. Also, I read in another thread that there was some confusion about Evelyn Morgan Gardner--the poster noted that she did not appear on the 1920 census. She does appear on the 1920 U.S. census for LaSalle, Ilinois, but she is listed as Evelyn Marfell 16, a servant in the household of Howard Doan, Jr. Louis and Evangeline Marfell are listed in that census as residing at Deer Park in LaSalle County.

Evangeline Amanda ROBERTS 1864 Joys Green (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:45:45 +0000

Year: 1853
Month: Nov
Day: 19
Grooms_Surname: ROBERTS
Grooms_Forenames: Henry
Grooms_Age: 23
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: West Dean
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Roberts
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Cordwainer
Brides_Surname: HALL
Brides_Forenames: Ann
Brides_Age: 18
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: West Dean
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Hall
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Edward
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Laborer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He signs she marks
Witness_1: Mark of Elijah Meek
Witness_2: Ann Meek
Other_Witnesses: None
Officiating_Minister: W. H. Taylor
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: -
Notes: -
Register_Reference: PFC82 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 48
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

1861
Henry Roberts abt 1831 West Dean Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Roberts abt 1835 West Dean Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Belinda Roberts abt 1856 West Dean Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Wm John Roberts abt 1858 West Dean Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

Name: Evangeline Roberts
Year of Registration: 1864
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 205

1871 Lydbrook
Henry Roberts 40
Wm Roberts 36
Edward Roberts 17
William Roberts 13
Elizabeth Roberts 9
Evangeline Roberts 7 Joys Green
Eliza Roberts 2

1881
Henry Roberts abt 1830 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Roberts abt 1833 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Evangeline Roberts abt 1864 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Eliza Ann Roberts abt 1868 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Timothy Roberts abt 1876 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean,

Name: Evangelin[Ae] Amanda Roberts
Name: William Henry Morgan
Year of Registration: 1887
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 48

1891
William Morgan abt 1855 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Evangela Morgan abt 1865 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Lillie Morgan abt 1865 [1896] East Dean, Gloucestershire, England [Wife] East Dean, Gloucestershire
Edith M Morgan abt 1888 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Maggie G Morgan abt 1889 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
William Morgan abt 1890 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
George Morgan abt 1872 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Boarder East Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Morgan abt 1871 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Sister East Dean, Gloucestershire

1901
William Morgan abt 1857 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Evanglina Morgan abt 1867 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Lillie Morgan abt 1886 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Gertrude Morgan abt 1889 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
William Morgan abt 1891 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Adaline Morgan abt 1893 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Kate Morgan abt 1895 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Dores Morgan abt 1898 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Campbell Morgan abt 1899 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Stanley Morgan abt 1900 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

1911
MORGAN WILLIAM M 1856 55 Westbury on Severn
MORGAN EVANGELINE F 1866 45 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
MORGAN ADELINE F 1893 18 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
MORGAN ALBERT M 1899 12 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
MORGAN DORRIS F 1898 13 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
MORGAN EVYLN F 1903 8 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
MORGAN IRVING M 1907 4 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
MORGAN IVOR M 1905 6 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
MORGAN KATE F 1895 16 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
MORGAN STANLEY M 1901 10 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire

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William Roberts. Shoemaker born abt 1800 (reply)

jimashton — Tue, 23 Mar 2010 15:47:58 +0000

Thanks Danny

I wish his parents were Moses Roberts & Mary Hayward as Moses is a 2nd cousin 5 times removed of mine. They did have a son William baptised 24 Feb 1793, but I have him as married to Ann Barnard (this has been subject of previous discussion).

Interestingly I have this William Roberts 1793 occupations on various occassions as Cordwainer. Iron Miner. Haulier. Lime Burner. The cordwainer would fit very neatly for my William Roberts without parents.

William Roberts and Mary Rudge sounds a good bet, but alas nothing confirmatory.

Jim Ashton

William Roberts. Shoemaker born abt 1800 (reply)

jimashton — Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:41:02 +0000

You have to be aware of all potential spellings this long ago, when a lot of people could not read or write, obviously they spoke their name to the vicar but they would not know whether he had spelt it correctly and his translation could be quite wrong. You will see from the reply from Slowhands that the name Parlow was used in 1797 and that for the 1851 Census entry in my original posting John Parlour was used by the enumerator.

Jim Ashton

William Roberts. Shoemaker born abt 1800 (reply)

LJM — Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:40:40 +0000

Evangeline Roberts is my great grandmother. Is Elizabeth Parlor's name ever spelled Parler?

William Roberts. Shoemaker born abt 1800 (reply)

Danny — Tue, 23 Mar 2010 09:26:50 +0000

Hello Jim
Some years ago I spent many months trying to establish if the parents of William Roberts, the shoemaker, were Moses Roberts/Mary Hayward or William Roberts/Mary Rudge.
Seven recordings of his age during his lifetime suggest the shoemakers DOB was 1798 + or - 1 year. That, together with accurate recording of wife and childrens' ages, leans towards William Roberts and Mary Rudge as the parents.
I tried to track all family members looking for links, as well prison records, witnesses at marriages, together with baptisms, burials etc etc. The close proximity of Lydbrook and Ruardean for the two families does not help, nor the many conflicting bits of data.
There was so much conflicting or incomplete data that making a solid decision was not possible and, although I think the parents were William Roberts and Mary Rudge, I have not continued this thread on my family tree

regards .....Danny

John PARLOR (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 22 Mar 2010 17:18:25 +0000

I wonder if this is John PARLOR's marriage ?

Year: 1797
Month: May
Day: 21
Grooms_Surname: PARLOW
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Newland
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: JORDAN
Brides_Forenames: Elizabeth
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Newland
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Mark of James Church
Witness_2: Thos Bond
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Thos Thomas curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/9
Page_Number: 879
Parish_Chapel: Newland

William Roberts. Shoemaker born abt 1800

jimashton — Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:26:04 +0000

I am trying to establish the parents of William Roberts born abt. 1800. He married Elizabeth Parlor born 1801 Tinker, daughter of John Parlor Stone Mason 14 Aug 1825 Abenhall.

William Roberts is not currently related to me, but having 344 Roberts in my Family Tree, that could change.

Although I have many connections with this William Roberts descendants, my main interest is in his grandaughter Evangeline Amanda Roberts born 23 March 1867, daughter of Henry Roberts (one of William Roberts 9 children) and Ann Hall. Evangeline Amanda Roberts became the second wife of Lewis (Louis) Marfell, the subject of thread http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=22925.

Census data for William Roberts 1800 :

1841 Census Joys Green
WLM ROBERTS abt 1801 Shoe Maker Glos England Dean Forest
ELIZABETH ROBERTS abt 1803
ANN ROBERTS abt 1828
WLM ROBERTS abt 1830
HENRY ROBERTS abt 1832
ROWLAND ROBERTS abt 1838
ALLIN ROBERTS abt 1840

1851 Census
ROBERTS William 53 Cordwainer East Dean
Elizabeth 50 Tinker East Dean
William 22 Cordwainer East Dean
Henry 20 Cobler East Dean
Rowland 13 Coal Miner Labourer East Dean
Allen 11 East Dean
Ruth 9 East Dean
PARLOUR John Father in Law Widow/er 80 Stone Mason East Dean

1861 Census East Dean Rg 9 1755 41
William 63 Boot maker Lydbrook
Rowland 23 Coal Miner East Dean
Elizabeth 22 East Dean
Ruth 20 East Dean
Eliza Ann Meek Grandaughter 8 East Dean **

** William Roberts daughter Ann married Elijah Meek, who is related to me.

1871 Census East Dean 2598/95
William Roberts 74 Shoemaker Lydbrook
Elizabeth 71 Lydbrook
Ruth 24 East Dean
Allen 8 Grandson East Dean
Enoch 5 Grandson East Dean

There are a number of William Roberts baptised around 1800.

Any help would be appreciated.

Note for any early viewers of this thread. This has been amended to remove incorrect information about William Roberts 1800's son William Roberts 1829. This William Roberts 1829 (the correct one) actually married Charlotte Hussey 1829 and they had no children - too many William Roberts.

Jim Ashton