Please be advised I've just edited my first post of yesterday, adding a link to the 1883 Ordnance Survey map of Cinderford. It didn't "click" in my sometimes-dim head until today how most of the town's population around that time was still condensed into the triangle of Victorian terraced streets south of the modern town centre, such as Woodside & Pembroke, and Flaxley Street to their south; I suspect the families I listed from the 1871 Census lived in these streets.
http://forest-of-dean.net/gallery/cinderford/pages/page_57.html
http://forest-of-dean.net/gallery/cinderford_2/pages/page_56.html

Modern maps show how much later housing eg Woodside Avenue c1950 has now infilled south of Flaxley to meet Stockwell Green and Cinderford Bridge near St Johns church, the original "centre" of the town.
The 1883 map was accessed from this great website, to view later maps click on the Right Hand side images.
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/find/#zoom=12&lat=51.8186&lon=-2.4818&layers=6&b...

To pull-up maps from adjoining areas just click within that area's red outline box to "turn it blue". Do hope this link and site works for you in Canada.

While searching Ancestry for William Helps as per my previous post, the Ancestry site also pointed me towards this Baptism record which they feel is relevant;

Name: William Hampps
Baptism Date: 17 Mar 1816
Parish: Upton St Leonards, Gloucestershire, England
Parish as it Appears: Upton St Leonards
Father: Noah Hampps
Mother: Mary Hampps
Register Type: Parish Registers

In this instance the record HAS been incorrectly transcribed, the actual PR image is clearly "Hacupps". Another Ancestry user has suggested this equates to "Eacupps".

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So clearly it confirms MPG's cd Baptism record.

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Don, thanks for confirming where you are, I asked purely because it helps us to know your terms of reference when replying, especially with subjects like the local dialect, I hope my reply helped in that respect and the various links could be accessed in Canada. I studied Canada at some length at school, and met some members of the Calgary Youth Orchestra who performed there ( Royal FoD Grammar School, nr Coleford) while touring the UK in about 1977, so I've always had an interest in your country. Probably the best way for you to "hook up" about history is via these forum pages, as it would then become part of a useful database for others to benefit from and also contribute towards. Indeed, you can gain information about almost any subject pertaining to the Forest, including discussions about visiting from overseas, suggested tourist spots etc, the many cases of Foresters emmigrating for work, all just by searching this forum. If that doesn't help, then do please feel free to ask and we'll all do our best to help you. Not forgetting to also use the rest of this great website, such as the old maps and photo galleries, newspaper articles and e-books, etc etc, there's so much here for the finding !
Many thanks, Jeff.

William HACUPPS - 17 March 1816 - parents : Noah (labourer) & Mary

Eliza HACCUPPS - 25 June 1820 - ditto

1881 Census for East Dean (aka Cinderford), W-o-S District, Glos

Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Moses Leadbeater Head M 35 Collier Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England
Elizabeth Leadbeater Wife F 36 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England
John Leadbeater Son M 10 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England
Martha Leadbeater Daughter F 8 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England
Timothy Leadbeater Son M 6 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England
William Leadbeater Son M 3 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England
Fred Leadbeater Son M 1 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England
William Helps Grandfather M 74 Widower General labourer Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England

My first thought on reading your reply was maybe there was a transcription error. When I started my FH studies abt 6 years ago, I was initially wary of the LatterDay Saints aka FamilySearch site, as many text books etc urged caution with as it was "very prone to transcription errors". However, since then I've used the site a lot and found it very useful indeed, not least because it's so user-friendly and also free. I've also seen several examples of subscription sites such as Ancestry also making transcription errors, some of which truly beggar belief.

However in this instance I've looked up the actual Census image on Ancestry and the entry for William clearly reads "Helps". As to what the Census official heard when he wrote down the name, who knows ?.
The Ancestry site offers other Records which they feel may be linked to William, including the following, at this moment I'm unsure as to if it is definitely your man.

1871 Census East Dean Glos.
Household schedule number Given Name Surname Relationship Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth City Birth County Birth Country

99 William Eacups Head Widower 58 1813 Male Gen'l labourer Upton St Leonards Gloucestershire England
99 Henry Eacups Son 18 1853 Male Cinderford Gloucestershire England
99 Emma Eacups Daughter 14 1857 Female Cinderford Gloucestershire England
100 Charles Eacups Head 32 1839 Male Upton St Leonard Gloucestershire England
100 Rachel Eacups Wife 25 1846 Female Upton St Leonard Gloucestershire England
100 Mary Ann Eacups Daughter 3 1868 Female Cinderford Gloucestershire England
100 William Eacups Son 1 1870 Male Cinderford Gloucestershire England

From memory I think this is the same man, thankfully it's a rare surname locally hwoever it's spelt. As the following extracts show, I've looked at several adjacent pages of this 1871 Census trying to find clues to street names etc to find exactly where William lived, hence I accidentally found these other people who maybe related. I'm a little bemused as to why the Census offical hasn't recorded street names, hard to believe but maybe they hadn't been named by then, or even in the 1881 Census, I need to get my old maps out !?. Hence I've highlighted the Inns as they tend to stay put while people move house. (NB the Household Schedule Numbers do NOT relate to physical Street etc numbers, but are merely the order the official visited the houses. This Census runs to 44 pages and over 200 Schedule numbers).

1871 Census East Dean Glos.
Household schedule number Given Name Surname Relationship Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth City Birth County Birth Country

81 John Leadbeater Head 39 1832 Male Coalminer Mitcheldean Gloucestershire England
81 Martha Leadbeater Wife 35 1836 Female Cinderford Gloucestershire England
81 Moses Leadbeater Brother Lodger 26 1845 Coalminer Male Cinderford Gloucestershire England
81 Elizabeth Leadbeater Sister-in-law 22 1849 Female Cinderford Gloucestershire England
81 John Leadbeater Son 1 Month 1871 Male Cinderford Gloucestershire England

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97 Timothy Leadbeater Head 29 1842 Collier Male Cinderford Gloucestershire England
97 Elizabeth Leadbeater Wife 29 1842 Female Ellwood Gloucestershire England
97 Elizabeth Leadbeater Daughter 3 1868 Female Cinderford Gloucestershire England
97 James Hall Lodger 28 1843 Male Clearwell Gloucestershire England
97 Sarah Jones Visitor 31 1840 Female Ellwood Gloucestershire England

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122 "Nags Head Inn" Henry Jenkins Head 55 1816 Male Quarry man Cinderford Gloucestershire England
122 Sophia Jenkins Wife 49 1822 Female Newnham Gloucestershire England
122 Thomas Jenkins Son 6 1865 Male Cinderford Gloucestershire England

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140 "Dog Inn" William Jones Head 44 1827 Male Carpenter English Bicknor Gloucestershire England
140 Mary Ann Jones Wife 47 1824 Female Little Dean; Hill Gloucestershire England
140 Elizabeth Edwards Servant 20 1851 Female Coleford Gloucestershire England

The Nags Head has recently closed, it's just off Church Road, at it's halfway point between the town centre and St John's Church. The Dog Inn is long-closed, it was on the west end of Victoria Street not far from the Nags. The vast majority of occupations recorded in the adjacent Census pages agree with this placement, being colliers or iron foundry workers. Their workplaces were readily located below Church Rd, towards and in the valley of Cinderford Brook which runs south thro' Ruspidge and north thro' Bilson, all as clearly shown on this O.S. map from 1883.
http://maps.nls.uk/view/101453397

Thanks Don for leading me to the Dog Inn entry because this is an addition to my own researches, regarding the many William Jones in the Forest including several on my paternal line, some of which were innkeepers, and now I've found one in my hometown !.
Pictures of both pubs are on the GlosPubs site, cannot give direct links but enter just the pub name in the search box and you'll eventually find the relevant pages.
http://www.gloucestershirepubs.co.uk/AllGlosPubsDatabase/AllGlosPubs_view.php

William EECUPS death 6 June 1882 aged 75 = c1807 born Upton

Family Search, lists Noah's parents as William EACUPS 1754-1807 and Ann MERRIMAN - 1827

Gloucestershire Marriage Index

Noah HICKHOP married Mary PERRY at Upton St Leonard - 27 December 1805

and Noah on the 1851 census at Upton St Leonard

George GAZE - Head - 38 - born Churchdown
Elza GAZE - wife - 30 - born Upton St Leonards
Mary GAZE - daughter - 12 - born ditto
William GAZE - son - 7 - born ditto
Noah HICCUPS - father-in-law - aged 70, born Quedgley, Gloucestershire

George GAZE, father William : married Eliza HICCUPS, father Noah - 29 September 1939, Gloucester

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Gloucestershire Baptism Index CD - from 1813 onwards

lists at Upton St Leonard

Charlotte EACUPS - 17 January 1813, parents: Noah (labourer) & Mary
Charlotte HICCUPS - married William Guest at Upton St Leonard - 27 January 1834

James ECUPS christened - 29 May 1836, parents : William & Ann

Burial at Little Dean : 20 May 1839, James HICCUPS, aged 3: Hundred of St Briavels

and Burial Index from 1813 onwards at Upton St Leonard

ECUPS

Hester - 19 January 1837 aged 28 **
Harriet Martha- 4 April 1837 aged 3 ***
Mary - 3 December 1838 aged 54

** a John HICKUPS married Esther VINES at Stroud 20 September 1828

*** Harriet Martha HICCUP christened at Upton St Leonard - 20 October 1833, parents: John *(Carpenter) & Esther

Charles - 26 January 1855 - aged 19
William - 2 August 1859 - aged 28 (residence: Cranham)

Gloucestershire Genealogical Database shows: John HICCUPS - aged 32, a Carpenter of Cranham - Goal 26 January 1839

John EACUPS is on the 1861 census for Cranham, born Upton St Leonard - aged 53 and a Carpenter. Appears to have married again before 1871 - as listed as John OCCAPS 1871 census still at Cranham

Yes I live in Calgary Canada and home to visit the Cinderford and Little Dean area in June 2017. How could we hook up for a chat about history?
Best regards, don colley

Thanks for these details.

1. The variations in spelling from Hiccups to Eacups is interesting. Was this related to literacy or an intentional name change?

2. On one ancestry post for Moses Leadbeater, a William Helps is notes as grandfather. I now believe that this should be one and the same William Eacups. Can you confirm?

Thanks.

Hi,

1. re the literacy question, yes I think you're right, especially as Foresters drop their "H"s - I doubt the name change was intentional. I must apologise as I don't know where in the world you are (I suspect Canada given your post and times of posting ?), and I don't know how well you know the Forest and it's dialect. Assuming like many of the forum's users you're from abroad and maybe new to the Forest, then hopefully this old post of mine will help you. I've just checked out the links and thankfully they are all still working for me in the UK, hoepfully they will for you too, especially the audio clips.
http://www.forest-of-dean.net/fodmembers/index.php?id=45039

2. When you say "ancestry post", do you mean a post on an Ancestry website forum, or one of their public trees, or what ?. Eitherway, I cannot properly answer without seeing it and in a full context - I'm not an expert or researcher about the Eacups family, so would have to research from scratch. If you can post more details, or an internet link, that would help us. However I will say that we've seen plenty of evidence to treat public trees with caution, sadly many researchers are too happy to copy other people's research without checking it's accuracy, sometimes errors do occur and are sometimes perpetuated to become "set in stone".

Hope this helps, Jeff

On one ancestry post for Moses Leadbeater, a William Helps is notes as grandfather. I now believe that this should be one and the same William Eacups. Can you confirm?

Thanks.

Can you confirm Elizabeth's father was William Eacups?

Hi and welcome to this forum and website.

Slowhand's earlier post in this thread indicates Elizabeth's parents in the 1851 & 1861 Census were William and Ann.

Searching this website's Parish Records database gives Elizabeth's marriage to Moses Leadbeater in 1866, it records her father as William. The full transcription was posted earlier in this thread by Slowhands.

http://www.forest-of-dean.net/joomla/index.php/parish-records-search

Using this link I think this is William's Burial Record.

Record_ID: 55595
Entry_Number: 960
Year: 1882
Month: Jun
Day: 6
Surname: EECUPS
Forenames: William
Residence: Cinderford
Age_at_death: 75 y[ea]rs
Officiating_Minister: T.A.Beattie
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/13
Page_No: 120
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John
Soundex: E212

So born abt 1807 ?

Ancestry has their Marriage Record, at Ann's home town of Eastington (across the Severn nr Stonehouse) as per the Census',

Name: William Hiccups
Marriage Date: 15 Jun 1834
Spouse: Ann Davis
Event Type: Marriage
Parish: Eastington, Gloucestershire
Register Type: Bishop's Transcripts
Witnesses: William Guest? and Eliza Hiccups

For completeness, here they are in the

1841 Census for Littledean
Given Name Surname Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth County Birth Country
William Ecups 27 1814 Male Collier Gloucestershire England
Ann Ecups 28 1813 Female Gloucestershire England
Mary Ecups 7 1834 Female Gloucestershire England
Charles Ecups 2 1839 Male Gloucestershire England
William Ecups 2 W 1841 Male Gloucestershire England

The Census is neatly-written and legible, so it's annoying to me that I cannot readily identify all the placenames given against many of the dwellings including this one. It looks like they and their immediate neighbours are at "Great Elm?", which is located between "Littledean Hill" and "Bailey" judging by the adjacent census entries. Searching the British History site confirms it is probably "Elm", saying
"The north-west end of the village centred on Nightingale's Cross, so called by 1591, where the road forked for Callamore and St. White's; a great elm standing there was a prominent landmark in the 18th century."
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/glos/vol5/pp159-173

So they lived near the base of Littledean Hill, where the main road dropping from Cinderford swings right and levels into Littledean village on Broad Street, next to Littledean House Hotel.
See page 17 "Littledean House" of this site's Littledean gallery for the oldest photo I've seen of this end of Littledean. The road splits in the distance past the House/Hotel, the main branch going left up to Cinderford (St Whites), ie at "Nightingale's Cross". Old OS maps show this short section of road as "High Street", nowadays the re-modelled main road runs alongside it as it cuts across the original sharp corner.
http://www.forest-of-dean.net/joomla/index.php/littledean

Searching Ann using Ancestry(as other websites are struggling with the variety of spellings of this unusual surname) we find her Burial Record. It is indeed within this FoD site's PRs, which is actually Ancestry's source of data.

Record_ID: 5223
Entry_Number: 628
Year: 1865
Month: May
Day: 6
Surname: HAYCUPS
Forenames: Ann
Residence: Cinderford
Age_at_death: 56 years
Officiating_Minister: J.G.Smythies
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 in 1/12
Page_No: 79
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John
Soundex: H212

So born abt 1809

Sorry for my confusion, please can you rephrase your other questions, thanks.

1881
John Ecups abt 1849 Little Dean Head Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary A. Ecups abt 1848 Nincefield ? Wife Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ellen Ecups abt 1869 East Dean Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah J. Ecups . abt 1871 Cinderford Nr.... Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Kate or Rose Ecups abt 1873 Cinderford Nr.... Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
John H. Ecups . abt 1876 Cinderford Nr.... Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emily Ecups abt 1877 Flaxley Meend Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire

1891
Rose Eacups abt 1873 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Servant St John The Baptist, Gloucestershire

Name: Rose Eacups
Name: Walter Allaway
Year of Registration: 1895
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Ross
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Hereford and Worcester
Volume: 6a
Page: 619

1901
Walter Allaway abt 1872 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Rose Allaway abt 1873 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Gertrude May Allaway abt 1896 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Rose Allaway abt 1898 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Nellie Allaway abt 1900 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Edgar Eacups abt 1893 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Stepson East Dean, Gloucestershire

Thanks,
Tami

1851
William Hiccups abt 1813 Upton, Gloucestershire, England Head Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Hiccups abt 1811 Eastington, Gloucestershire, England Wife Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Charles Hiccups abt 1838 Upton, Gloucestershire, England Son Little Dean, Gloucestershire
William Hiccups abt 1842 Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Little Dean, Gloucestershire
James Hiccups abt 1845 Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Little Dean, Gloucestershire
John Hiccups abt 1847 Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Hiccups abt 1850 Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Little Dean, Gloucestershire

1861
William Esaps abt 1806 Upton, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Esaps abt 1818 Eastington, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Charls Esaps abt 1839 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
William Esaps abt 1842 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
John Esaps abt 1849 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Henry Esaps abt 1853 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Esaps abt 1851 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Esaps abt 1857 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

1871
John Leadbeater 39
Martha Leadbeater 35
Moses Leadbeater 26 brother lodging
Elizabeth Leadbeater 22
John Leadbeater 1 month

1881
Moses Leadbeater abt 1846 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Head Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Leadbeater abt 1845 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Wife Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
John Leadbeater abt 1871 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Martha Leadbeater abt 1873 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Timothy Leadbeater abt 1875 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
William Leadbeater abt 1878 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Fred Leadbeater abt 1880 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
William Helps abt 1807 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Grandfather Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire