Forest of Dean FHT Forum - William Barnard (or Barnett) 1800

William Barnard (or Barnett) 1800 (reply)

braillemaker — Mon, 12 Apr 2010 16:54:11 +0000

Well Jim, looks like the two Sophia Trigg's are sorted! With the help of Nancy Roberts.
Sophia TRIGG, 1803, to Margaret HILL and Thomas TRIGG marries William BARNARD 1825. Sophia's mother subsequently marries John Goode 1825 and we find her in the 1841 census with William & Sophia.
Sophia BARNETT died 1850.

Sophia TRIGG 1806 to (unmarried) Mimey (possibly Jemima) TRIGG marries William PHELPS 1827.
Sophia PHELPS died 1866.

Jim, you said you couldn't find a marriage for Ann TRIGG 1784 daughter of Benjamin & Priscilla. Was there a reason for ruling out:

Year 1802
Month Aug
Day 2
Grooms Surname BARNETT
Grooms Forenames William
Grooms Age
Groom Condition
Grooms Occupation
Grooms Residence living on land adjoining to this Parish
Grooms Fathers Surname
Grooms Fathers Forenames
Grooms Fathers Occupation
Brides Surname TRIGGE
Brides Forenames Ann
Brides Age
Brides Condition
Brides Occupation
Brides Residence living on land adjoining to this Parish
Brides Fathers Surname
Brides Fathers Forenames
Brides Fathers Occupation
Licence or Banns Banns
Date of Banns no register found
Signature or Mark Both mark
Witness 1 Mark of Richard Trigge
Witness 2 Richard Terrett
Other Witnesses
Officiating Minister William Prosser
Event Marriage
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P138 IN 1/7
Page Number 38
Parish Chapel English Bicknor

If not, this could well be the William & Ann BARNARD who witness the marriages of 3 of Ann's siblings : Richard, James & (Anna) Maria.
Still trying to work out their witnessing of William PHELPS & Sophia TRIGG.

William Barnard (or Barnett) 1800 (reply)

nroberts — Mon, 12 Apr 2010 09:42:40 +0000

Thank-you braillemaker and thank-you also for the information on William. Looks like you and I are related via Sarah. My grandmother was Gertrude Hale, one of the daughters of Amos and Tabitha Hale.........Nancy

William Barnard (or Barnett) 1800 (reply)

braillemaker — Sun, 11 Apr 2010 21:01:33 +0000

I like your analysis, Nancy, I always thought there was some significance in Margaret Goode's presence there.

William Barnard (or Barnett) 1800 (reply)

nroberts — Sat, 10 Apr 2010 12:36:44 +0000

Could this be Sophia Barnett's parents?

Record_ID: 64052
Entry_Number:
Year: 1795
Month: Dec
Day: 21
Grooms_Surname: TRIGG
Grooms_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: living on land adjoining to this Parish
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: HILL
Brides_Forenames: Margaret
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: living on land adjoining to this Parish
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: no register found
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Mark of Benjamin Trigg
Witness_2: Richard Terrett
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Cornelius Marfell
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes: Any abbreviated forenames have been expanded to the full name
Register_Reference: P138 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 18
Parish_Chapel: English Bicknor
Soundex_Groom: T620
Soundex_Bride: H400

Nancy

William Barnard (or Barnett) 1800 (reply)

nroberts — Sat, 10 Apr 2010 12:18:01 +0000

It was this census, that has always led me to believe that Margaret Goode was Sophia's mother.

Record_ID: 94
Entry_Number: 94
Year: 1825
Month: Aug
Day: 25
Grooms_Surname: GOODE
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Widower
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Huntl[e]y
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: TRIGGE
Brides_Forenames: Margaret
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Widow
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Abinghall
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Mark of William Faulk
Witness_2: Mark of Anne Faulk
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Cha[rle]s M. Dighton Off[iciati]n[g] Min[iste]r
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P1 IN 1/9
Page_Number: 32
Parish_Chapel: Abenhall
Soundex_Groom: G300
Soundex_Bride: T620

Given this record and that fact she is sandwich amongst the Barnett family, I strongly believe she is the mother of Sophia that is married to William.

Nancy

Sophia TRIGG 1806 -1850 ? (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 09 Apr 2010 20:55:54 +0000

Its easily done :-)

Sophia TRIGG 1806 -1850 ? (reply)

braillemaker — Fri, 09 Apr 2010 19:26:48 +0000

Thanks Slowhands, I'd mis-read it - thankfully

Sophia TRIGG 1806 -1850 ? (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 09 Apr 2010 19:14:41 +0000

I can see Volume 11 not age 11 on Ancestry....

Name: Sophia Barnett
Year of Registration: 1850
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 11
Page: 372

FreeBMD says :-

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
-------------------------------------------------------------
Deaths Dec 1850 (>99%)
------------------------------------------------------------
BARNETT Sophia Westbury on Severn 11 372

and I'm "sure" no corresponding BENNETT, so I think our transcription may also be the right one for Sophia.

Sophia TRIGG 1806 -1850 ? (reply)

braillemaker — Fri, 09 Apr 2010 18:42:31 +0000

I had been assuming that was Sophia's death until yesterday when I checked FreeBMD - they have 1850 Oct-Dec Westbury-on-Severn Age 11

Sophia TRIGG 1806 -1850 ? (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 09 Apr 2010 17:53:14 +0000

Year: 1830
Month: Feb
Day: 21
Parents_Surname: BARNARD
Child_Forenames: Timothy
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Sophia
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Forest
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: Heathfield Hickes Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: 1830
Notes:
Register_Reference: P 220 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 51
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean

1841 Lining Wood
William Barnett abt 1806 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire Lime Burner
Sophia Barnett abt 1805 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
James Barnett abt 1827 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Timothy Barnett abt 1830 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Hannah Barnett abt 1832 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
William Barnett abt 1833 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Eliza Barnett abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

Death ?
Name: Sophia Barnett
Year of Registration: 1850
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 11
Page: 372

Is this the transcription ?
Year: 1850
Month: Nov
Day: 4
Surname: BENNETT
Forenames: Sophia
Residence: Plump Hill
Age_at_death: [not stated]
Officiating_Minister: E. Machen Rector
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death: [not sta
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P 220 in 1/9
Page_No: 53
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean

1851 Plump Hill
Willm Barnard abt 1797 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire Stone Quarry Lab.
James Barnard abt 1825 Lea Baily, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Timothy Barnard abt 1825 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
William Barnard abt 1834 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Eliza Barnard abt 1836 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Hannah Barnard abt 1841 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

Sophia TRIGG & Maria TRIGG 1790-1806 (reply)

jimashton — Fri, 09 Apr 2010 15:49:15 +0000

Hi Braillemaker

The 3 Trigg marriages you have listed that William and Ann Barnett witnessed are siblings, all children of Benjamin Trigg 1759 & Priscilla Welch 1759. Maria is (I think) Anna Maria Trigg 1799, the others are James 1782 & Richard 1793. My connection here is another sibling George 1796 married Lucy Marfell 1797, 22 July 1816, Newland Witness_1: Jonathan Marfell Witness_2: Maria Trigg. Lucy Marfell was the daughter of John Marfell 1769 & his first wife Elizabeth Roberts 1769. This marriage also at one stage caused dubiety on another thread as to which Benjamin Trigg was the father of George Trigg, resolved by the will of John Marfell. This was posted in relation to the thread mentioned.

To add to the confusion, Benjamin Trigg and Priscilla Welch also had a son William Trigg 1802 who married Ann Dean 1806 in 1829. Benjamin Trigg and Priscilla also had a daughter Ann, but I cannot find that she married a William Barnett/Barnard!! indeed I cannot find a confirmed marriage for her, although there are a number of possibilities.

Could you do me a favour and post the 1841 Census you mention.

Jim Ashton

Sophia TRIGG & Maria TRIGG 1790-1806 (reply)

braillemaker — Fri, 09 Apr 2010 09:07:02 +0000

The William & Ann BARNARD could be, with yet another TRIGG connection, as follows:

Sophia TRIGG & Maria TRIGG 1790-1806 (reply)

braillemaker — Fri, 09 Apr 2010 08:11:46 +0000

Slowhands, I've looked at the parish records on this site - using Advanced Search - and there were only two cases where William BARNARD and Ann BARNARD were witnesses to a marriage. Both were at Hope Mansell and in both cases the bride was a TRIGG.
We should perhaps include two marriages where the witnesses were William & Ann(e) Barnett. These both have TRIGG grooms.
I'm not familiar with the TRIGG families and I wonder if there is a relationship between these that might clarify which Sophia TRIGG married William BARNARD in 1825?

Year 1818
Month Aug
Day 27
Grooms Surname YEARSLEY
Grooms Forenames George
Grooms Age [not
Groom Condition Bachelor
Grooms Occupation [not stated]
Grooms Residence the Hundred of St Breavils[Briavels]
Grooms Fathers Surname [not stated]
Grooms Fathers Forenames [not stated]
Grooms Fathers Occupation [not stated]
Brides Surname TRIGG
Brides Forenames Maria
Brides Age [not
Brides Condition Spinster
Brides Occupation [not stated]
Brides Residence the Hundred of St Briavels
Brides Fathers Surname [not stated]
Brides Fathers Forenames [not stated]
Brides Fathers Occupation [not stated]
Licence or Banns banns
Date of Banns [not stated]
Signature or Mark Both sign
Witness 1 Mark of William Barnard
Witness 2 Mark of Ann Barnard
Other Witnesses
Officiating Minister Henry Berkin A M Curate
Event Marriage
Memoranda
Notes Groom signs: George Yersley
Register Reference
Page Number 3
Parish Chapel Hope Mansell

Year 1814
Month Oct
Day 9
Grooms Surname TRIGG
Grooms Forenames James
Grooms Age [not stated]
Groom Condition [not stated]
Grooms Occupation [not stated]
Grooms Residence extraparochial land adjoining this parish
Grooms Fathers Surname [not stated]
Grooms Fathers Forenames [not stated]
Grooms Fathers Occupation [not stated]
Brides Surname YEAM
Brides Forenames Charlotte
Brides Age [not stated]
Brides Condition [not stated]
Brides Occupation [not stated]
Brides Residence extraparochial land adjoining this parish
Brides Fathers Surname [not stated]
Brides Fathers Forenames [not stated]
Brides Fathers Occupation [not stated]
Licence or Banns Banns
Date of Banns 1814 Sep 11 18 25
Signature or Mark Both sign
Witness 1 Mark of William Barnett
Witness 2 Mark of Ann Barnett
Other Witnesses
Officiating Minister J[ohn] Seager Curate
Event Marriage
Memoranda With consent of Parents
Notes Banns are in P138 IN 1/7 page 117
Register Reference P138 IN 1/8
Page Number 10
Parish Chapel English Bicknor

Year 1824
Month Mar
Day 1
Grooms Surname TRIGG
Grooms Forenames Richard
Grooms Age
Groom Condition Bachelor
Grooms Occupation
Grooms Residence Hundred of St. Breavles
Grooms Fathers Surname
Grooms Fathers Forenames
Grooms Fathers Occupation
Brides Surname BROADSTOCK
Brides Forenames Mary
Brides Age
Brides Condition Spinster
Brides Occupation
Brides Residence Hundred of St. Briavles
Brides Fathers Surname
Brides Fathers Forenames
Brides Fathers Occupation
Licence or Banns Banns
Date of Banns
Signature or Mark He signs; she marks
Witness 1 Mark of William Barnett
Witness 2 Mark of Anne Barnett
Other Witnesses
Officiating Minister W[illia]m Pashley Off[iciating] Min[ister]
Event Marriage
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P1 IN 1/9
Page Number 24
Parish Chapel Abenhall

William Barnard (or Barnett) 1800 (reply)

braillemaker — Thu, 08 Apr 2010 17:35:29 +0000

You're quite right Jim, we have a choice. I haven't actually entered any parents for Sophia Trigg although I had assumed a birth of ~1805.
However, the 1851 census has Sophia Phelps as 44; 1861 as 55; this site has her burial at age 60 in 1866 and FreeBMD has her death age 60 in 1866. So it is reasonable to assume Sophia Phelps nee Trigg was born 1806.
Sophia Barnard/Barnett was appears in the 1841 census but in 1851 William is a widower. However, there doesn't seem to be a record of her death or burial.

Person: BARNETT, William
Address: Lincing Wood, Dean Forest (Should read Lining Wood)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

BARNETT, William M 35 Lime Burner Yes
BARNETT, Sophia F 36 Yes
BARNETT, James M 14 Yes
BARNETT, Timothy M 11 Yes
BARNETT, William M 8 Yes
BARNETT, Eliza F 5 Yes
BARNETT, Hannah F 9 Yes
GOODE, Margaret F 70 Yes

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

RG number:HO107 Piece:364 Book/Folio:9 Page:13

William Barnard (or Barnett) 1800 (reply)

jimashton — Thu, 08 Apr 2010 15:54:34 +0000

Hi Braillemaker

I am inclined to think you are right.

However, relating to the other postings to your thread, we appear to have more than one Sophia Trigg - 2 marriages within 2 years. So to add to the debate, it could be that the Sophia Trigg who married William Barnard was the Sophia baptised 3 Jul 1803 mother Margaret father Thomas. I think it has been established that Margaret Trigg then married Thomas Evans in 1807 so perhaps he was the father in 1803.

Year: 1803
Month: Jul
Day: 3
Parents_Surname: TRIGG
Child_Forenames: Sophia
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Mothers_Forenames: Margaret
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: [not stated]
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: AG68/2
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Lea

The other Sophia could be :

Year: 1806
Month: Dec
Day: 7
Parents_Surname: TRIGG
Child_Forenames: Sofiah
Fathers_Forenames: not stated
Mothers_Forenames: Mimey
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes: BT spells forename as Sofia
Register_Reference: P1 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 4
Parish_Chapel: Abenhall

Which Sophia married which ?

I await responses with interest !!

Jim Ashton

Sophia TRIGG 1806 part of thread ( prior notes) (reply)

braillemaker — Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:55:06 +0000

I guess it was the son Charles of William PHELPS & Sophia TRIGG who went on to marry Hannah BARNARD, daughter of William BARNARD & Sophia TRIGG?
Actually, I think not, judging from the marriage certificate for Charles & Hannah, Hannah was illegitimate.

Year: 1837
Month: Dec
Day: 24
Parents_Surname: PHELPS
Child_Forenames: Charles
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Sophia
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Plump Hill
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: John Horlick
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Son of: Born 20th Nov
Notes:
Register_Reference: D6026 8/1
Page_Number: 24
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean Congregational

Note that this site has BENNETT but Gloucestershire Family History Soc has BARNETT -

Year: 1840
Month: Oct
Day: 4
Parents_Surname: BENNETT
Child_Forenames: Hannah
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Sophia
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Hundred of S[ain]t Briavels
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: Martin L Lonsdale
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes: Edge Hill Preaching House
Register_Reference: D2598 5/3
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Forest of Dean Bible Christian Circuit

Year: 1861
Month: Nov
Day: 20
Grooms_Surname: PHELPS
Grooms_Forenames: Charles
Grooms_Age: of age
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Miner
Grooms_Residence: Aston Ingham
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Phelps
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Miner
Brides_Surname: BARNARD
Brides_Forenames: Hannah
Brides_Age: of age
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Aston Ingham
Brides_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated
Licence_or_Banns: [not stated]
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Mark of Anne Barnard
Witness_2: Thomas Aubrey
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Hy L Whatley
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: AR90/7
Page_Number: 92
Parish_Chapel: Aston Ingham

Sophia TRIGG 1806 part of thread ( prior notes) (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:02:08 +0000

a recent discussion on Sophia
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=24003

the marriage

Year: 1825
Month: Oct
Day: 1
Grooms_Surname: BARNARD
Grooms_Forenames: William
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Hundred of St. Briavels
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: TRIGGE
Brides_Forenames: Sophia
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Hundred of St. Briavels
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Mark of Samuel Morris[?]
Witness_2: Mark of Elizabeth Philips
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Cha[rle]s M. Dighton Off[iciati]n[g] Min[ister]
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P1 IN 1/9
Page_Number: 33
Parish_Chapel: Abenhall

and maybe a coincidence , but nearby and witnesses...

Year: 1827
Month: Aug
Day: 10
Grooms_Surname: PHELPS
Grooms_Forenames: William
Grooms_Age: [not
Groom_Condition: [not stated]
Grooms_Occupation: [not stated]
Grooms_Residence: the Hundred of St Briavels
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Surname: TRIGG
Brides_Forenames: Sophia
Brides_Age: [not
Brides_Condition: [not stated]
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: the Hundred of St Briavels
Brides_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Mark of William Barnard
Witness_2: Mark of Ann Barnard
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Henry Berkin A M Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_Number: 20
Parish_Chapel: Hope Mansell

William Barnard (or Barnett) 1800

braillemaker — Wed, 07 Apr 2010 08:57:13 +0000

The primary purpose of this message is to document the fact that John BARNARD & Deborah PARSONS had a son William, and secondly, to identify him with the William who married Sophia TRIGG. My apologies for its length but I wish to draw together several strands that may not otherwise be available to fellow researchers.

The Mitcheldean parish register has baptisms for ten children of John & Deborah but the entry for 19 Dec 1800 reads
William son of John BARNARD and his wife baptised.
In the context of the register there is little doubt that John & Deborah are referred to here but the transcription on this site cannot potray the context in the same way, nor does it have the words ‘and his wife’.

John & Deborah were married 30 Jan 1789 at Blaisdon and settled at Lining Wood Top above Mitcheldean on extra-parochial land. By the time of the Second Report of Dean Forest Commissioners 1st May 1834 (British Library: House of Commons Sessional Papers) John and his family had a total of eight parcels of land including two houses. One house was on plot 589 in the name of John BARNETT, senior, and the other on 588 in the name of Jonathan BARNETT. The Report contains a map and it is easy to identify today’s Lining Wood Cottage as being in the same location.

John made a Will dated 7 Sept 1839, shortly before his death. It is from this Will that I know that John & Deborah had a son William.
John bequeaths to his son Thomas BARNARD , his daughter Elizabeth and his son William. In particular, he bequeathes land and dwellinghouse to William.

He also refers to ‘my late son Jonathan’s widow’ – I am descended from this Jonathan who had died in the March of that year.

I believe it is this William BARNARD who married Sophia TRIGG 1 Oct 1825 at Abenhall. They appear at Lining Wood in the 1841 census with family James, Timothy, William, Eliza & Hannah.
They are also witnesses to the marriage of William’s sister-in-law Sarah DEWFIELD/DUDFIELD/DUTFIELD – the said Jonathan’s widow – when she married Elisha HALE in October 1839.