Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Robert Forester and David Mushet

Robert Forester and David Mushet (reply)

shepway — Mon, 27 Jun 2016 06:04:56 +0000

It would appear that “tunnicliffe’ is no longer registered on the site however the Marriage Register entry is available on Ancestry. Mary Ann’s father is given as John and his occupation is Farmer but his mother’s name is not given and it would appear that none of the witnesses, George Lewis and Frances Chapman, are from the Thomas family.
With the exception the 1851 Census Mary Ann’s birthplace is given as St Briavels and searching the Parish Records we find this Baptism:

Year: 1818
Month: Aug
Day: 23
Parents_Surname: THOMAS
Child_Forenames: Mary
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Catherina
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Hudnalls
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: Geo. Ridout
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P278 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 17
Parish_Chapel: St Briavels

This leads us to the 1851 Census entry for the THOMAS family:
1851 Census
House Number Given Name Surname Relationship Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth Place
80 John Thomas Head 79 1772 Male Woolaston, Gloucestershire, England
80 Catharine Thomas Wife 63 1788 Female Trellegg, Monmouthshire, Wales
80 William Thomas Son 28 1823 Male St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England
80 John Thomas Son 26 1825 Male St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England
80 George Thomas Son 19 1832 Male St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England
80 Decima Thomas Daughter 15 1836 Female St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England

This Census entry gives John’s occupation as Farmer and you will see from the entry that Catharine is from Trellech, Monmouthshire which is only a short distance from St Briavels. Searching for a marriage for John Thomas we find:

Year: 1813
Month: Apr
Day: 12
Grooms_Surname: THOMAS
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Widower
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Saint Briavels in the County & Diocese of Gloucest
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: PARRY
Brides_Forenames: Catherine
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Saint Briavels in the County & Diocese of Gloucest
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He signs she marks
Witness_1: Mary Ann Kear
Witness_2: Thomas Kear
Other_Witnesses: William Hulin Clark
Officiating_Minister: Thos. Thomas Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P278 IN 1/10
Page_Number: 1
Parish_Chapel: St Briavels

and this Baptism for Catharine is found in the Trellech registers (courtesy of mongenes.org.uk)

Parish or Chapel Trellech
Date 24 Sep 1789
Parent's Surname PARRY
Child's forename(s) Catherine
Father's forename(s) Peter
Mother's forename(s) Rachael
Mother's surname (if different)
Type of Event Baptism
Residence
(Father's) Occupation
Officiating Minister Ezra Powel
Memoranda in register
Transcriber's Notes
Gwent record office
register ref. number LDS/PA 97
Parish register entry no.
Parish register page no. 28
Record_ID 219564
Transcription Trellech Baptisms 1756-1800
Transcribers entry no. 446

John Thomas was buried at St Briavels on 23 January 1863 and Probate was granted to his son William on 9 December 1863 (Source - Ancestry.co.uk) If you search the Wills Index on this site you will find that his wife Catherine and his daughter Mary Mushet are among the beneficiaries.

Mike

Robert Forester and David Mushet (reply)

rtmushet — Mon, 27 Jun 2016 04:37:47 +0000

Hello,
About 6 years ago you replied to my inquiry about David and Robert Mushet. You mentioned that you have Robert F and Mary Ann's marriage cert. IS there anyway you can scan that in or send me a copy? Does it have a mother for Mary Ann? I am direct descendant of Robert Forester.

Russell Mushet

Robert Forester and David Mushet (reply)

tunnicliffe — Tue, 25 May 2010 17:25:57 +0000

I think Robert Forester Mushet was married to Mary Ann Thomas, born St. Briavels - it is possible that Mary Ann had a sister Catherine Lizzie Thomas, who married Daniel Croome 1789/1881. I have the marriage cert. for Robert F.Mushet and Mary Ann Thomas dated 1841, at Cheltenham. This give Mary Ann's father as John Thomas of St. Briavels.

It would be great if I was ringing any bells.

Brenda Croome.

Man of Iron (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 14 Apr 2010 05:38:24 +0000

does anyone know where I can get Ralph Anstis book?

If you GOOGLE you will find a few copies for sale :-

works: Man of iron - man of steel
By statement: Ralph Anstis.
Language: English
Pagination: 216 p. :
ISBN 10: 095113714X

Amazon has a used copy for about $65

Stella books have :-
598369 Anstis, Ralph 25.00 GB pounds
MAN OF IRON - MAN OF STEEL 1st ed 1997 Fine/C/w The lives of David Mushet and his son Robert. Two of Britain's most outstanding metallurgists who lived in the Forest of Dean. Pictorial card wraps. B/w photos. SIGNED by author. Published by: Albion House

from time to time copies come up on eBAY, if you are in Coleford you could try the Bookshop.

The Story of the Mushets by Fred Osborn (1952) (reply)

rtmushet — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 22:34:34 +0000

My father actually has that book but I have not read it yet. He has told me a lot from that book. I'm curious about the source of David and his relationship with his family as well as his father, does anyone know where I can get Ralph Anstis book?

The Story of the Mushets by Fred Osborn (1952) (reply)

rookancestrybest — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 20:33:04 +0000

A book was published in 1952 by Fred Osborn. Fred Osborn being a direct descendant of Samuel Osborn. Samuel Osborn joined forces with the Mushets in broadening the scope of his steel works in Sheffield, taking advantage of the specialised type of steel which Mushet invented. The firm, at one stage, became known as Osborn Mushet. The business relationship between the two is significant in the history of Sheffield's steel industry for which the city was once famous. Part of this business relationship led to six of the best of Mushet's workers to be transferred from the Forest of Dean to Samuel Osborn's company in Sheffield. I am directly descended from one of the 6 people (Thomas Rook). This meant them relocating from Gloucestershire to Yorkshire in the 1870s.
The book is worth finding, there is a copy that is deposited in Sheffield City Archives which cannot be borrowed or removed from their Samuel Osborn/Osborn Mushet collection but there may well be more copies around though it is probably out of print. They would not allow me to photocopy any of it even for study purposes when I asked but might be able to give you some idea of its content. Sheffield Archive will have its ISBN number but I will look to see if I have it anywhere.
Samuel Osborn's steel works operated from the same building until very recently, but it has only recently closed down. You might also be interested that in Sheffield there is also a Coleford Road. By mistake once I said on this website that it is near Samuel Osborn's but in fact it is in another part of Sheffield which was the heart of the steel industry.

David MUSHET (1772 - 1847) in 1841 census (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 06:46:50 +0000

1841 Coleford Tump house
David Graubart abt 1773 Scotland Newland, Gloucestershire
Agnes Graubart abt 1773 Scotland Newland, Gloucestershire
Margaret Graubart abt 1796 Scotland Newland, Gloucestershire
William Jarratt abt 1837 Newland, Gloucestershire

"next door"
Robert Mushel abt 1816 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Sally Nichols abt 1791 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire

Name: David Mushet
Year of Registration: 1847
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 26
Page: 91

Year: 1847
Month: Jun
Day: 14
Surname: MASHET
Forenames: David
Residence: Monmouth
Age_at_death: 75 years
Officiating_Minister: Rich[ar[d Davies Rector
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC310 1/11
Page_No: 30
Parish_Chapel: Staunton

1851 High Nash
Robert Mushel abt 1812 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Mushel abt 1818 Acton Burnell, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
Thornwell Mushel abt 1843 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Brook Lyn Mushel abt 1846 Chettisham, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Lisowua Mushel abt 1850 Chettisham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire

Ralph ANSTIS papers (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 05:38:19 +0000

Ralph desposited some paperwork at Gloucester Archives - you may find what you are looking for there :-

archives AT gloucestershire.gov.uk
Gloucestershire Archives
Clarence Row
Alvin Street
GLOUCESTER GL1 3DW

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/accessions/2006/06returns/06ac40.htm

•Ralph Anstis, historian: research papers on the Forest of Dean 1689-2005 (D10477)

Other works :-
•Fred M. Osborn, The Story of the Mushets, London, Thomas Nelson & Sons (1952)
•Ralph Anstis, Man of Iron - Man of Steel, ISBN 095113714X
•Keith Web, Robert Mushet and the Darkhill Ironworks, ISBN 1903599024

Robert Forester and David Mushet

rtmushet — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 02:02:08 +0000

I am a direct decendant of David and Robert Forester Mushet. Robert Forester had a son Edward Maxwell Tom Mushet who was my great great grandfather. His son Edward Robert Mushet is my great grandfather. His son Robert Frank Prescott Mushet was my grand father who lived in Los Angeles California and was a photographer. My father spent a lot of time with him taking pictures all around. My father is Robert Arthur Tyler Mushet and my name is Russell Mushet. Anyway, I was reading online on wikipedia and found a lot of things written about David and we have done a fair bit of research and we could never find anything about him. It was really exciting to see his tombstone picture with his wife Agnes. I was hoping to get in contact with Ralph Anstis but I found out he passed away. I was wondering where I can get the resources that Ralph Anstis had. I am also curious what sources are available about William Mushet being his father. Who is the best person to contact about this? I am really interested about sources for David and his father.