Forest of Dean FHT Forum - - Elizabeth JONES 1844 Clearwell

Elizabeth JONES 1844 Clearwell (reply)

Jenny B — Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:13:19 +0000

Yes that is who I believe was a sister to Harriet JONES (1847) married CRUM and George Thomas JONES 1852 (married Jane JAMES - my husbands great grandparents).
There were also at least 5 other siblings who died as infants.
I have no further leads on Elizabeth JONES born/baptised 1844.
Regards
Jenny

Elizabeth JONES 1844 Clearwell (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:08:19 +0000

Year: 1844
Month: Mar
Day: 16
Parents_Surname: JONES
Child_Forenames: Elizabeth
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Eliza
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Clearwell
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: G Ridout Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 153
Parish_Chapel: Newland

Eliza JONES 1845 ish St Briavels (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:06:37 +0000

I did wonder if this is the daughter in 1861

1861
Eliza Jones abt 1845 St Brivals, Gloucestershire, England Servant Newland, Gloucestershire

but perhaps she is :-

Year: 1845
Month: Jun
Day: 15
Parents_Surname: JONES
Child_Forenames: Eliza
Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Mothers_Forenames: Hannah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Hudnalls
Occupation: [not stated]
Officiating_Minister: J.J.Barlow
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Spinster
Notes:
Register_Reference: P278 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 32
Parish_Chapel: St Briavels

Eliza JONES 1821 -1894 St Briavels & Clearwell Fence (reply)

Jenny B — Tue, 20 Jul 2010 08:58:09 +0000

Slowhands - thank you for pointing out my careless error stating that in 1881 Eliza was recorded as aged 70, a widow under the name Eliza BALDWIN. You are correct - the year was 1891.

The 1881 record you had is the same as I identified for Eliza also - with her son George JONES.

The 1891 census on Ancestry actually records Eliza's granddaughter as Elizabeth ANNA in the Index - but if you look at the actual image you will see it is CRUM. FindmyPast has the name correctly transcribed as CRUM in the index.

I initially thought Eliza's 1891 record was perhaps just an error on the enumerators part and mistakenly recorded BALDWIN instead of JONES. However it is too much of a coincidence that 4 years prior Eliza's granddaughter was registered and baptised Elizabeth Baldwin JONES and that by the 1911 census at least three of Eliza's grandsons were going by the name BALDWIN while siblings remained JONES.

Again Slowhands you have identified the same burial record for Eliza as I did - and back under her married name of JONES.

Would love to find this family in 1861 to see if Elizabeth JONES born 1844 was still there. I have no leads on Elizabeth. I have searched at length on both Ancestry and FindmyPast without success.

With thanks.
Jenny

JONES (DAVIS) and THOMAS Clearwell Fence (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 20 Jul 2010 08:14:31 +0000

Where is Eliza (BALDWIN) on the 1881 census age 70 (with Granddaughter CRUM) - c1811 (jumped 20 years)

Its a little typo its in the 1891 see note in thread above...

JONES (DAVIS) and THOMAS Clearwell Fence (reply)

m p griffiths — Tue, 20 Jul 2010 07:45:27 +0000

On the 1851 Census - Eliza JONES is age 31 - c 1820.

1871 Census - Eliza is 50 c1821

Where is Eliza (BALDWIN) on the 1881 census age 70 (with Granddaughter CRUM) - c1811 (jumped 20 years)

1881 WALES, Monmouthshire, Penalt
Nr Parish House

Elijah CRUM - 37, Mason, born Monmouthshire, Llandogo
Harriett - 34 - born Glos. St Briavels c1847 (nee JONES)
William G - 9 - Coleford
Emma - 8 - born Coleford
Elizabeth 5, Eliza 4, Jessie 1

1871 Census, Newland, Milkwall

Elisha CRUM - 27 - Mason
Harriett CRUM - 23 - born St Briavels

JONES (DAVIS) and THOMAS Clearwell Fence (reply)

Jenny B — Tue, 20 Jul 2010 07:17:18 +0000

Thank you Slowhands for your response.
I had located this 1851 census record - however I have spent hours and hours searching for this family in 1861 without success.
Can find William and Eliza JONES again in 1871.
In 1881 census Eliza is aged 70, a widow, and is recorded with her granddaughter (CRUM). I am in no doubt it is the same Eliza - but for some unknown reason she records herself as Eliza BALDWIN.
Eliza had a granddaughter born in 1887 who was registered as Elizabeth Baldwin JONES. By 1911 at least three of Eliza's grandsons (one of them my husband's grandfather) are also using the name BALDWIN. The other 6 siblings continued to use the name JONES.
I can find no link at all to BALDWIN. Family story was that there were too many JONES' so some of them changed to BALDWIN.
With thanks.
Jenny

Eliza JONES 1821 -1894 St Briavels & Clearwell Fence (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 20 Jul 2010 05:45:42 +0000

Some further context
1840 JONES William William Eliza Clearwell Labourer Newland
1841 JONES James William Eliza Clearwell Labourer Newland
1842 JONES John William Eliza Clearwell Labourer Clearwell
1844 JONES Elizabeth William Eliza Clearwell Labourer Newland
1846 JONES George Thomas William Eliza Clearwell Labourer Clearwell
1848 JONES Harriet William Eliza Fence Labourer St Briavels
1850 JONES William William Eliza Fence Labourer St Briavels
1851 JONES Thomas William Eliza The Fence Labourer St Briavels

"census footprint"

1841
William Jones abt 1806 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Eliza Jones abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Wm Jones abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire

1851
William Jones abt 1805 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head St Briavels, Gloucestershire
Eliza Jones abt 1820 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Wife St Briavels, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Jones abt 1844 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter St Briavels, Gloucestershire
George Jones abt 1847 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son St Briavels, Gloucestershire
Harriet Jones abt 1848 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter St Briavels, Gloucestershire
James Thomas abt 1782 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Father St Briavels, Gloucestershire
John Thomas abt 1814 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Brother St Briavels, Gloucestershire

1861 ?
George Jones abt 1846 Clearwell, Gloucestershire, England Assistant Newland, Gloucestershire

1871 ?
George Jones abt 1846 Charwell, Gloucestershire, England Lodger Hanley, Staffordshire

1871 Clearwell
William Jones 67
Eliza Jones 50

1881
Eliza Jones abt 1821 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
George Jones abt 1846 Clearwell, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire

1891 Possible in Coalway { but not convinced}
Isaac Baldwin abt 1830 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Isaac Baldwin abt 1874 Bilston, Staffordshire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Jones abt 1818 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Boarder West Dean, Gloucestershire

1891 Clearwell [ more possible :-) ]
Eliza Baldwin abt 1821 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Anna abt 1876 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Granddaughter Newland, Gloucestershire

Year: 1894
Month: Sep
Day: 26
Surname: JONES
Forenames: Eliza
Residence: Clearwell
Age_at_death: 74
Officiating_Minister: C.E. Bentley Senr Curate
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P88 IN 1/7
Page_No: 73
Parish_Chapel: Clearwell

JONES (DAVIS) and THOMAS Clearwell Fence

Jenny B — Tue, 20 Jul 2010 00:02:19 +0000

Would there be any others on this list having connection to any of the children
born to William JONES (also known as DAVIS) and Eliza THOMAS please? William and Eliza married 21 January 1839 Newland.
Elizabeth JONES 1844;
George Thomas JONES 1846-1916 (married Jane JAMES in 1883);
Harriet JONES 1848-1916 (married Elijah CRUM in 1870);
plus five who died as infants.
All born Clearwell and Fence area in Newland and St Briavels
Parishes.

With thanks
Jenny