Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Howell family at Littledean c. 1810

Howell family at Littledean c. 1810 (reply)

seallen3 — Mon, 03 Jan 2011 16:35:33 +0000

Message for Exomites: The birth certificate for Edwin Howell's daughter Sarah Ann Howell born 13th February 1840 gives her father's occupation as a Cordwainer. Contact me by email, if you would like a copy of the birth certificate.

Sarah Ann HOWELL Littledean c. 1840 (reply)

seallen3 — Fri, 31 Dec 2010 15:00:45 +0000

Well spotted, Slowhands! I sent for Sarah's birth certificate and her mother's name is given as Hester Howell, formerly Brain. She had 3 husbands that I already knew of - William Baker 1830, Charles Richards 1843 and Samuel Colwell 1853 with children by each of them. As Jim Ashton pointed out, when she married Charles Richards, she gave her former name as Baker so there was no clue to another liaison. I can't find a record of a marriage to Edwin Howell, nor indeed, a convincing record of the death of her first husband, William Baker. So there are still unanswered questions about her status!

Many thanks for this surprising discovery.

Sue

Ester BRAIN 1813 Stonehouse / Eastington ? (reply)

seallen3 — Sat, 18 Dec 2010 16:00:29 +0000

Many thanks. Elizabeth was the name of Hester's mother, as you will know. Did Elizabeth Hester survive? And what happened to William? I don't have access to the parish records for the Stonehouse/Eastington area.

I have photos of Esther's daughters by Samuel Colwell- Harriet and Janetta.

Ester BRAIN 1813 Stonehouse / Eastington ? (reply)

m p griffiths — Sat, 18 Dec 2010 15:40:29 +0000

There is a baptism of

Elizabeth Hester BAKER - 16 April 1831 - address the Borough - parents William (cloth worker) and Hester

King Stanley St George

Ester BRAIN 1813 Stonehouse / Eastington ? (reply)

seallen3 — Sat, 18 Dec 2010 14:11:58 +0000

Hester(Ester/Esther) Brain (Bryan/Bryant) was my great great grandmother. I sent for the certificate OND 1841 for a marriage with William Baker but was told that though they were on the same page, they did not marry each other.

I found a marriage at Eastington Parish Church on 25th January 1830 of an Esther Bryant OTP to a William Baker of King's Stanley. This fits in with the fact that she is a widow by the name of Baker when she marries Charles Richards in 1843.

I don't know if she was the Esther living with Edwin Howell at Little Dean in the 1841 census. I can't find a record of a marriage. Maybe they didn't marry which is why she gives her name as Baker later on. All very baffling with a lot more work to be done to unravel it.

Joseph HOWELL 1829 Kings Stanley -> Lancs. (reply)

Exomites — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 19:13:43 +0000

Thank you, and others for all the help here. I have picked up new family members, didn't know, and new locations. It does look as if my g-grandfather(joseph)'s father was the Joseph b. 1829, as there is a brother Thomas which lnk in, and is the Joseph from Littledean. Obviously not 100% certain, but looks very close. Any information further back than the Thomas and Prudence married in 1784? Can I presume this marriage also in Littledean?
However it goes, me great thanks for all this help.

Ester BRAIN 1813 Stonehouse / Eastington ? (reply)

m p griffiths — Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:05:29 +0000

FreeBDM

Do have a marriage O/N/D Qtr 1841 - Bristol which lists (amongsts others) - Hester BRAIN and William BAKER (but she'd have to move quick... - in time for Xmas)

Ester BRAIN 1813 Stonehouse / Eastington ? (reply)

jimashton — Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:52:34 +0000

Having followed this complicated tale, I was wondering why I had Samuel Colwell & Esther Brain in my Family Tree and of course in my case it leads to the Marfell family.

Samuel Colwell & Esther Brain had a daughter Harriett 1855 - who you will note was a witness at the marriage between Charles Richards & Jane Davis. Harriett Colwell 1855 married Frederick Charles Jefferies 1856 son of William Jefferies 1812 & Elizabeth. They also had a daughter Edith Jefferies 1842 who married twice, the first Henry Eaton, the second John Morton Marfell 1828, this was a 3rd marriage for him, the others Emma Green & Elizabeth Anne Wilce. I have the certificates for all 3 marriages.

The thread that has evolved is very complex, but do I gather Esther Brain also married Edwin Howell who died in 1841 and who was the Baker she married noting that she was shown as Widow surname Baker at her marriage to Charles Richards - did she have time to marry someone else ?

Jim Ashton

BRAIN/HOWELL (reply)

m p griffiths — Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:24:47 +0000

Hester BRAIN - 1 August 1813 Eastington (Stonehouse) St Michaels & All Angels

parents - Edward (labourer) and Elizabeth
only baptism

James BAILEY married Mary Ann BRAIN - Eastington - 7 May 1832

Edwin HOWEL - married Ann SMITH - 14 July 1829, Kings Stanley

Ester BRAIN 1813 Stonehouse / Eastington ? (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 28 Jul 2010 07:52:07 +0000

Hester Brain
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 01 AUG 1813 Stonehouse, Gloucester, England

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Parents:
Father: Edward Brain
Mother: Elizabeth

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Messages:
Record submitted by a member of the LDS Church. The record often shows the name of the individual and his or her relationship to a descendant,

Joseph HOWELL 1829 Kings Stanley -> Lancs. (reply)

m p griffiths — Wed, 28 Jul 2010 07:25:11 +0000

IGI Batch Numbers for Gloucestershire - Kings Stanley

Thos. HOWELL married Prudence HARDING - 18 July1784

James/Hannah/Thomas - all christened 24 April 1791

George & Charles - christened 6 August 1797

Prudence c - 17 March 1799 - died 17 April 1814

Edwin - 26 December 1802

Joseph - 11 August 1805

Charles RICHARDS 1847 Littledean / Cinderford (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 28 Jul 2010 05:23:18 +0000

1871 Cinderford
Saml Colwell 60
Esther Colwell 58 Eastington
Charles Richard 24
Jane Colwell 13 Tibberton

Year: 1873
Month: Oct
Day: 5
Grooms_Surname: RICHARDS
Grooms_Forenames: Charles
Grooms_Age: full
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Cinderford
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Surname: DAVIS
Brides_Forenames: Jane
Brides_Age: full
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Cinderford
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Davis
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He marks; she signs
Witness_1: James Davis
Witness_2: Hariett Colwell
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Arthur Edm[un]d Hill Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 102
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St Johns

1881
Charles Richards abt 1847 Flaxley, Gloucestershire, England Head Wilmington, Kent
Jane Richards abt 1851 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Wife Wilmington, Kent

1891
Charles Richards abt 1846 St Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Holy Trinity Minories, London
Jane Richards abt 1850 Huntly, Gloucestershire, England Wife Holy Trinity Minories, London
Louisa Gorin abt 1877 Sydney, Gloucestershire, England Niece Holy Trinity Minories, London

1901
Charles Richards abt 1846 Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head St Botolph Without Aldgate, London
Jane Richards abt 1850 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Wife St Botolph Without Aldgate, London
John Davis abt 1871 Cindesford, Gloucestershire, England Nephew St Botolph Without Aldgate, London
Jane Blewitt abt 1881 Newent, Gloucestershire, England Niece St Botolph Without Aldgate, London

Sarah Ann HOWELL Littledean c. 1840 (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 27 Jul 2010 21:59:24 +0000

I have a suspicion this is Sarah and her widowed mother remarried....

Name: Esther Colwell
Estimated birth year: abt 1813
Year of Registration: 1885
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 72
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 154

1881
Samuel Colwill abt 1812 Hanley (East Dean), Staffordshire, England Head Flaxley, Gloucestershire
Esther Colwill abt 1813 Easington Wife Flaxley, Gloucestershire

1871 Cinderford
Saml Colwell 60
Esther Colwell 58 Eastington
Charles Richard 24
Jane Colwell 13 Tibberton

Year: 1858
Month: Jun
Day: 27
Parents_Surname: COLWALL
Child_Forenames: Janetta
Fathers_Forenames: Samuel
Mothers_Forenames: Hester
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Tibberton
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: A Newton Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P332 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 49
Parish_Chapel: Tibberton

Name:Samuel Coldwell
Name: Hester Richards
Year of Registration: 1853
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 337

Year: 1852
Month: Apr
Day: 10
Surname: RICHARDS
Forenames: Charles
Residence: Little Dean
Age_at_death: 66
Officiating_Minister: H[enr]y M. Willis
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P110 IN 1/12
Page_No: 23
Parish_Chapel: Littledean

1851
Charles Richards abt 1787 Cricklade, Wiltshire, England Head Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Esther Richards abt 1814 Haunton, Gloucestershire, England Wife Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah A Richards abt 1840 Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Charles Richards abt 1847 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Little Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1843
Month: May
Day: 4
Grooms_Surname: RICHARDS
Grooms_Forenames: Charles
Grooms_Age: Full Age
Groom_Condition: Widower
Grooms_Occupation: Labourer
Grooms_Residence: Hundred of St Briavels
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Richards
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Harry
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Brides_Surname: BAKER
Brides_Forenames: Esther
Brides_Age: Full Age
Brides_Condition: Widow
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Hundred of St Briavels
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Brain
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Edward
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Mark of Ann Hale
Witness_2: W[illia]m Hale
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: William Crawley
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P145 IN 1/11
Page_Number: 37
Parish_Chapel: Flaxley

Ester BRAIN daughter of Edward BRAIN Eastington / Stonehouse area 1813/1814

Joseph HOWELL 1829 Kings Stanley -> Lancs. (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 27 Jul 2010 21:11:32 +0000

This is why I suspect your line is the Kings Stanley Joseph not the Littledean Joseph

Name: Eliza Jackson
Name: Joseph Howell
Year of Registration: 1851
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Chorlton
County: Lancashire
Volume: 20
Page: 124

However it is possible Edwin Howell is from Kings Stanley area, as his wife Ester appears to be from Eastington / Stonehouse.

Joseph HOWELL 1829 Kings Stanley -> Lancs. (reply)

Exomites — Tue, 27 Jul 2010 20:53:16 +0000

Many many thanks for 3 prompt responses. From the 2 census records I found, and the info. with the wives' names I believe the Littledean link is with Edwin Howell, b. 1807, died 1841, His eldest son was Joseph, born c.1829 who married Eliza Jackson - don't know where -and he must have moved to Manchester after 1841, in his teens after his father died, as in 1851 he records the birth of my g-grandfather, also Joseph. Any records of this Edwin Howell, his birth, parents, &c.?
Thanks again for all this material to work on.

Joseph HOWELL 1829 Kings Stanley -> Lancs. (reply)

m p griffiths — Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:54:28 +0000

Joseph HOWELL - christened 8 February 1829 at Kings Stanley

parents

Joseph (Sergeant in the Army)

address : Woodside

John HOWELL - christened 5 November 1826, KS - Joseph (Soldier) & Dorothy , address: Borough

John is also an Iron Planer on the 1861 Census - Lancashire, Hulme, District 31, (RegDistrict:CHORLTON) page 41 of 44
23 Lavender Street

HOWELL

John - 34, Iron Planer, born Gloucester
Sarah - 34 - born Cheshire
Mary Ann 3 and Joseph 7 months, born Manchester

Joseph Thomas HOWELL - FreeBDM J/A/S Qtr 1860 - Chorlton

1871 Census, Lavender Street, Hulme, Lancs

HOWELL

John - 44, Metal Plainer, born Kings Stanley
Sarah - 43, born Cheshire
Mary a - 13, Bookbinding Apprentice, Joseph T - 10 and Sarah 5 - born Manchester

Joseph HOWELL 1829 - 1887 Kings Stanley -> Lancs. (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:47:59 +0000

Name: Joseph Howell
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Year of Registration: 1887
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 58
District: Chorlton
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 488

1871 Chorlton upon Medlock
Joseph Howell 42
Eliza Howell 38 Blackley Lancs
Thomas Howell 14
George James Howell 3
Eliza Howell 1

1861
Joseph Howell abt 1829 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England Head Hulme, Lancashire
Eliza Howell abt 1833 Blakely, Lancashire, England Wife Hulme, Lancashire
Joseph Howell abt 1852 Manchester, Lancashire, England Son Hulme, Lancashire
Thomas Howell abt 1857 Manchester, Lancashire, England Son Hulme, Lancashire

Name: Eliza Jackson
Name: Joseph Howell
Year of Registration: 1851
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Chorlton
County: Lancashire
Volume: 20
Page: 124

1851
Thomas Howall abt 1787 Kingtauby, Gloucestershire, England Head Hulme, Lancashire
Dorothy Howall abt 1791 Kingtauby, Gloucestershire, England Wife Hulme, Lancashire
Joseph Howall abt 1829 Kingtauby, Gloucestershire, England Son Hulme, Lancashire

1841 Manchester
Thomas Howal 50 Shop Keeper
Dorothy Howal 40
Charles Howal 15
John Howal 14
Joseph Howal 13
James Howal 12
Prudence Howal 20
Mary Howal 6

JOSEPH HOWELL
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 08 FEB 1829 Kings Stanley, Gloucester, England
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Parents:
Father: THOMAS HOWELL
Mother: DOROTHY
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C046231 1573 - 1746 0855698 Film 6911958 Film
C046231 1747 - 1875 0855699 Film NONE
Sheet: 00

Edwin HOWELL c. 1801- 1841 Shoe Maker in Littledean (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:38:44 +0000

Year: 1841
Month: Dec
Day: 5
Surname: HOWELL
Forenames: Edwin
Residence: Little Dean
Age_at_death: 40
Officiating_Minister: J. Parsons Curate
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death: [not sta
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P 110 IN 1/11

1841
Edwin Howell abt 1807 Gloucestershire, England Little Dean, Gloucestershire Shoe M
Esther Howell abt 1816 Gloucestershire, England Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Joseph Howell abt 1829 Gloucestershire, England Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah Howell abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Little Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1840
Month: Mar
Day: 15
Parents_Surname: HOWELL
Child_Forenames: Sarah Ann
Fathers_Forenames: Edwin
Mothers_Forenames: Esther
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Little Dean
Occupation: Shoemaker
Officiating_Minister: J Parsons Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P110 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 26
Parish_Chapel: Littledean

There is also a Joseph HOWELL born aprox 1829 in Kings Stanley - he appears in Hulme , LANCS in later life

coincidence or relative ?

EDWIN HOWELL
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 26 DEC 1802 Kings Stanley, Gloucester, England
Death:
Burial:
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Parents:
Father: THOS HOWELL
Mother: PRUDENCE
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C046231 1573 - 1746 0855698 Film 6911958 Film
C046231 1747 - 1875 0855699 Film NONE
Sheet: 00

Howell family at Littledean c. 1810

Exomites — Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:23:06 +0000

I had always thought my Howell ancestors were Lancashire/Manchester based, but I find they moved from Littledean sometime between 1841 and 1851. I have located EDWIN HOWELL, born about 1807, a shoemaker, possibly living Broad Street, Littledean, married to Esther, and buried in Littledean 5.12.1841. He had a son Joseph who married Eliza Jackson, and took the family to Manchester. He worked with iron making.
Have used only census records so far, and searched on this site. I would like to know if there be any supportive evidence about the shoemaker, and extra detail, and if this Howell branch was based in Littledean with records further back to his parents.
Thank you,
John Powell (York)