Forest of Dean FHT Forum - BURDOCK - BENNETT ( !

BURDOCK - BENNETT ( ! (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 31 Jul 2010 16:50:42 +0000

Year: 1829
Month: May
Day: 21
Grooms_Surname: BURDOCK
Grooms_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Of this parish
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: BENNETT
Brides_Forenames: Mary
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Of this parish
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark:
Witness_1:
Witness_2:
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_Number: 88
Parish_Chapel: Gloucester St Nicholas

BENNETT BURDOCK (reply)

Trudy Johnson — Sat, 31 Jul 2010 16:22:36 +0000

Hello Jim... I thought that you would join this thread once I threw that into play!
Hm... another challenge.. what a change of pace!
As if all the Johns, Josephs and Francis' have not been enough!
And I believe the young Abia listed as a visitor is actually a niece?

BENNETT BURDOCK (reply)

jimashton — Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:33:39 +0000

Slowhands

Brilliant yet again !!

You are right about the 1861 Census, but you can perhaps guess my interest ............wait for it

John Bennett bapt. 8 Mar 1795 who married Lydia Burdock 1 Apr 1829 Ruardean was the son of Richard Bennett 1763 and Ann Marfell 1766 married 16 Oct 1789 Walford.

However, I never would have made the leap to Elizabeth Bennett Burdock who married Alfred Bickerton, even though I had the evidence already in the census data :

1851 Census Ruardean
John Bennett 55 Carpenter Ruardean
Lydia 52 Upleadon
Abia Marfell Visitor 15 East dean

1861 Census East Dean
John Bennett 67 Carpenter Ruardean
Lydia 62 Upleadon
Elizabeth Bickerton 23 niece West Dean
Rosalie Bickerton niece 2 West Dean

The baptism for Lydia Burdock 7 Apr 1799 Upleadon parents Thomas and Ann. The baptism for Thomas Burdock 28 Jan 1801 Upleadon who is the father of Elizabeth Bennett Burdock who married Alfred Bickerton. My guess is that there is another Bennett connection other than the fact that his sister Lydia married a Bennett, given that he gave his daughter a second name Bennett. Could this be another challenge ?

Jim Ashton

Philip G M BRADLEY ( MEEK) (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:20:34 +0000

Name: Philip G M Bradley or Philip G M Meek
Spouse : Violet Bell
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1931
Registration district: Willesden
Registration county (inferred): Middlesex
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 766

possible children :-

Brenda Bradley Oct Nov Dec 1933 Staines Hertfordshire, Oxfordshire, Buckinghamshire, Middlesex

Leonard K Bradley Jan Feb Mar 1937 Staines Hertfordshire, Oxfordshire, Buckinghamshire, Middlesex

Elizabeth Bennett BICKERTON nee BURDOCK 1837 Lydbrook (reply)

Trudy Johnson — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:13:39 +0000

Oh my goodness... you have the 1911 census!
Thank you! There is the proof of Frances' marriage for sure now.
You are amazing. I cannot thank you enough!
Do you miss working for MI5?

BENNETT BURDOCK (reply)

Trudy Johnson — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:06:45 +0000

Thank you. And I must apologize since I only just figured out how to search records on here and I should have done that myself instead of asking for help first. (I blame my aging technologically challenged blonde brain)
But my shame is negated by my delight at my hunch being proven correct!

BENNETT BURDOCK (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:02:18 +0000

a good match for the 1861 entry

Year: 1829
Month: Jan
Day: 1
Grooms_Surname: BENNETT
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Ruardean
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: BURDOCK
Brides_Forenames: Lydia
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: [not stated]
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Ruardean
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: [not stated]
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: both sign
Witness_1: Thomas Burdock
Witness_2: Mary Bennett
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Henry Berkin [illegible] Off[iciatin]g Minister
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/9
Page_Number: 26
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean

1841 Cinder Hill
John Bennett abt 1796 Gloucestershire, England Ruardean, Gloucestershire Carpenter
Lydia Bennett abt 1801 Gloucestershire, England Ruardean, Gloucestershire

BICKERTON enters the tree (reply)

Trudy Johnson — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:54:17 +0000

Thank you again! I did have most of that info, but this is much more detailed.
So, since you seem to have an enquiring mind, can you get proof of this hunch for me?
I wondered where the name Bennett came from (for Frances E B Meek). My theory is that Lydia Burdock married John Bennett... and this is Elizabeth Burdock's aunt and uncle.

Elizabeth Bennett BICKERTON nee BURDOCK 1837 Lydbrook (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:46:39 +0000

Year: 1837
Month: May
Day: 14
Parents_Surname: BURDOCK
Child_Forenames: Elizabeth Bennett
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Lydbrook
Occupation: Miller
Officiating_Minister: T. D. Fosbroke
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: daughter of
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 97
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean

1851
Thomas Burdock abt 1801 Upleadon, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Burdock abt 1807 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Burdock abt 1832 Flaxley, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Burdock abt 1834 Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Burdock abt 1838 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Lydia Burdock abt 1841 West Dean Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Burdock abt 1844 West Dean Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

Name: Elizabeth Burdock
Name: Alfred Bickerton
Year of Registration: 1858
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Gloucester (1837-1937)
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 386

Year: 1858
Month: Jul
Day: 25
Parents_Surname: BICKERTON
Child_Forenames: Rose Ella
Fathers_Forenames: Alfred
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Newland Bridge
Occupation: Cabinet Maker
Officiating_Minister: Robert Smythe Hopkins
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: 20811
Page_Number: 24
Parish_Chapel: Lydbrook

1861 in BENNETT household
John Bennett abt 1794 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Head Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Lydia Bennett abt 1799 Upleadon, Gloucestershire, England Wife Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Bickerton abt 1838 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Niece Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Rosilie Bickerton abt 1859 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Niece Ruardean, Gloucestershire

1861 ( with his mother !)
Margaret Davies abt 1799 Mathow, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Ross, Herefordshire
Sarah Bickerton abt 1835 Ross, Herefordshire, England Daughter Ross, Herefordshire
Alfred Bickerton abt 1836 Ross, Herefordshire, England Son Ross, Herefordshire

1871 Ruardean
Elizabeth Bryerton 33
Ann Bryerton 8

1881
Elizabeth B. Bickerton abt 1838 Sidbrook, Gloucestershire, England Servant Marylebone, London
Rosalie Bickerton abt 1859 Sidbrook, Gloucestershire, England Servant Marylebone, London
Annie Bickerton abt 1861 Ross, Hereford, England Servant Marylebone, London

1891 with William & Ann MEEK
Elizabeth B Bickerton abt 1838 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Mother-in-law Meopham, Kent

1901
Elizabeth Beckerton abt 1837 Lydhork, Gloucestershire, England Head Beckenham, Kent
Marie Insland abt 1894 Westminster, London, England Boarder Beckenham, Kent
Thomas Insland abt 1900 Clapham, London, England Boarder Beckenham, Kent

1911
BRADLEY CHARLES LEONARD M 1892 19 Bromley Kent
BRADLEY FRANCES ELIZABETH BENNETT F 1892 19 Bromley Kent
BRADLEY PHILLIP GEORGE MAYNARD M 1911 1 MONTH Bromley Kent
BICKERTON ELIZABETH BENNETT F 1838 73 Bromley Kent

Frances E B BRADLEY nee MEEK sister of Arthur Albert MEEK (reply)

Trudy Johnson — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:45:46 +0000

Hello Jim,
I appreciate your discretion in not airing the juicy bits.
And yes, transcription errors are very common.
Thank you for that link for ordering documents.
I hope to be back in England in the next year or 2 and will really go to town then on getting copies of things.
This is a wonderful site. Thank you for all your help here and via emails.

DEUCHER - MEEK (reply)

Trudy Johnson — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:41:13 +0000

wow... what took so long in finding that for me!
That must be it. My mom was a bit hazy on the spelling as he died years ago and we lost contact with his wife and their daughter.
slowhands... is there anything you CAN'T find?

Frances E B BRADLEY nee MEEK sister of Arthur Albert MEEK (reply)

jimashton — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:31:32 +0000

Trudy

Thanks for your email and for publishing all the details, some of which I was reluctant to post on the other thread without your permission.

I think Slowhands is right about Rosalie (he usually is !! ), as he said a number of mistakes occur in transcribing, I have found some errors, particularly second names, when I know my information is correct as I have the certificate in my hand.

You can of course send for the certificates using the information Slowhands has found at this site :

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Jim Ashton

DEUCHER - MEEK (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:29:37 +0000

Name: Werner Deucher
Spouse Surname: Brandon Or Meek [Elizabeth Meek or Elizabeth Brandon ]
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1926
Registration district: Pancras
Registration county (inferred): Middlesex
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number: 194

Rosalie MEEK (reply)

Trudy Johnson — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:24:06 +0000

*chuckle*... to have Bickerton become Brenda is pretty mild for this bunch after what I have already posted...
Marian Victoria became "Jacqueline". We were told one of them was an actress.. so I had assumed that was how Jacqueline appeared.

Also, one of them had to have married Vernon(Werner) Deusche-Mueller from Switzerland. But I have had no success in tracking that down.

I certainly appreciate your interest and time in helping me with this wayward branch.

Rosalie MEEK (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:50:05 +0000

doubt that Rosalie Babb is the right one.. as Bickerton was her middle name and not Brenda.

Trudy

I'd keep an open mind on this one - its not unknown for "strange" records or transcriptions to creep in :-)

Frances E B BRADLEY nee MEEK sister of Arthur Albert MEEK (reply)

Trudy Johnson — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:19:40 +0000

Thank you slowhands for delving into this!
All I had found for Frances E B was a marriage registration 1910... but not the spouse... so this may be it... although if she died in 1966, that is after my grandfather and my grandmother did not have Eliz listed as still being alive.
I doubt that Rosalie Babb is the right one.. as Bickerton was her middle name and not Brenda.
See what happened once they left F of D for Kent!

Frances E B BRADLEY nee MEEK sister of Arthur Albert MEEK (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:11:19 +0000

Name: Charlotte Jackson Fair
Year of Registration: 1855
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Newport M
County: Glamorgan, Gwent, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 141

1881
George Bradley abt 1850 London, London, Middlesex, England Head Yalding, Kent
Charlotte Bradley abt 1855 Newport, Wales Wife Yalding, Kent
George W. Bradley abt 1876 Yalding, Kent, England Son Yalding, Kent
Florence A. Bradley abt 1880 Yalding, Kent, England Daughter Yalding, Kent

Name: Charles Leonard Bradley
Year of Registration: 1891
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Lambeth
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 567

1901
George Bradley abt 1852 London, England Head Lambeth, London
Charlotte Bradley abt 1857 Newport, Wales Wife Lambeth, London
Minnie S Bradley abt 1882 Yalding, Kent, England Daughter Lambeth, London
Albert J Bradley abt 1882 Norwood, Surrey, England Son Lambeth, London
Ernest E Bradley abt 1886 Norwood, Surrey, England Son Lambeth, London
Charles L Bradley abt 1892 Norwood, Surrey, England Son Lambeth, London
Herbert Bradley abt 1893 Norwood, Surrey, England Son Lambeth, London
Winnie G Bradley abt 1895 Norwood, Surrey, England Daughter Lambeth, London
Elsie E Bradley abt 1897 Norwood, Surrey, England Daughter Lambeth, London

Name: Frances E B Meek
Spouse Charles L Bradley
Year of Registration: 1910
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Bromley
County: Greater London, Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 1066

{still working on this - further work on these -}

WWI medal index
Name: Charles L Bradley
Regiment or Corps: Army Service Corps, Army Service Corps
Regimental Number: (T)2511, T4/240356

WWI Pension rejected- Malaria ( Salonica campaign ?)
Name: Sgt Charles Leonard Bradley
Document Year: 1919
Regimental Number: 240356
Number of Images: 11

Address 157 Hamilton Rd West Norwood London SE17

probably not these :-

Name: Thomas R Meek
Year of Registration: 1912
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's Maiden Name: Bradley
District: Worcester
County: Hereford and Worcester, Worcestershire
Volume: 6c
Page: 483

Name: Frances E Bradley
Death Registration Month/Year: 1966
Age at death (estimated): 73
Registration district: Malvern
Inferred County: Worcestershire
Volume: 9d
Page: 212

Rosalie BABB nee MEEK sister of Arthur Albert MEEK (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:07:25 +0000

Name: Rosalie Bickerton Meek
Year of Registration: 1889
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Stroud (1837 Onw) [STROOD]
County: Gloucestershire [KENT]
Volume: 6a [2a]
Page: 536

1891
William Meek abt 1858 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Meopham, Kent
Annie Meek abt 1863 Ross, Hertfordshire, England Wife Meopham, Kent
Albert A Meek abt 1887 Meopham, Kent, England Son Meopham, Kent
Vivian C Meek abt 1888 Meopham, Kent, England Son Meopham, Kent
Rosalie B Meek abt 1890 Meopham, Kent, England Daughter Meopham, Kent
Elizabeth B Bickerton abt 1838 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Mother-in-law Meopham, Kent

1901
William Meek abt 1857 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Beckenham, Kent
Annie Meek abt 1863 Ross, Herefordshire, England Wife Beckenham, Kent
Arthur Meek abt 1887 Meopham, Kent, England Son Beckenham, Kent
Vivian Meek abt 1889 Meopham, Kent, England Son Beckenham, Kent
Rosalie Meek abt 1891 Meopham, Kent, England Daughter Beckenham, Kent
Francis E Meek abt 1893 Meopham, Kent, England Daughter Beckenham, Kent
Florence Meek abt 1895 Beckenham, Kent, England Daughter Beckenham, Kent
Mirian Meek abt 1897 Beckenham, Kent, England Daughter Beckenham, Kent
Dorothy Meek abt 1900 Beckenham, Kent, England Daughter Beckenham, Kent

here is a possible :-

1901
Richard S Babb abt 1853 Castle Donnington, Derbyshire, England Head Penge, Kent
Margaret Babb abt 1841 London, England Wife Penge, Kent
Henry W Babb abt 1887 Penge, Kent, England Son Penge, Kent
Kathaleen M Agate abt 1892 Southsea, Hampshire, England Niece Penge, Kent
Adolf Ludvig Hanson abt 1874 Swenden Subject, Sweden Visitor Penge, Kent

spouse Henry Walter Babb
Name: Rosalie Brenda Meek
Year of Registration: 1908
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Bromley
County: Greater London, Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 741

1911
BABB HENRY M 1887 24 Lambeth London
BABB ROSALIE F 1890 21 Lambeth London
BABB MAXWELL M 1910 4 MONTHS Lambeth London
BABB ROSALIE F 1909 2 Lambeth London

Name: Rosalie B Babb
Death Registration Month/Year: 1930
Age at death (estimated): 39
Registration district: Fulham
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 354

Name: Henry W Babb
Death Registration Month/Year: 1936
Age at death (estimated): 49
Registration district: Southwark
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 20

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Name: Maxwell W Babb
Year of Registration: 1911
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Lambeth
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 357

Name: Maxwell W Babb
Spouse : Norah W Norton
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1932
Registration district: Fulham
Registration county (inferred): London
Volume Number: 1a
Page Number: 669

Name: Maxwell Walter Babb
Birth Date: 5 Dec 1910
Death Registration Month/Year: Jan 1991
Age at death (estimated): 80
Registration district: Surrey North-Western
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 17
Page: 759

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Name: Rosalie Margaret Babb
Year of Registration: 1909
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Lambeth
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 368

Name: Rosalie M Babb
Spouse : John W H Sheppard
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1931
Registration district: Uxbridge
Registration county (inferred): Middlesex
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 150

Arthur Albert MEEK - earlier post (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 05:52:35 +0000

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=26582

very interesting background :-)

Arthur Albert Meek

Trudy Johnson — Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:19:24 +0000

Arthur Albert Meek, b 15 June 1886, Meopham Kent, d 16 Sept 1963 Sault Ste Marie, Ontario
~ 1906 arrived Montreal
~ 15 June 1912 married Lily Watson in Montreal
~ 1915 joins the Canadian Expeditionary Forces… is listed as “not married”
Mystery #1... I cannot find what happened to Lily Watson Meek
~ shipped overseas, wounded
~ 10 Mar 1917 marries Ada Kathleen Reilly in Lewisham, London, England… is listed as “widower”
~ 26 May 1917 death of Ada
~ 24 Dec 1917 marries Evelyn Frances Terry in Lambeth, London, England
~ 1918 they arrive in Canada on separate ships and settle in Sault Ste Marie, Ontario
~ 12 Jan 1922, Evelyn June Meek is born (this is 0268’s mother)
~ some time in the next few years, Evelyn Frances, “Cissy”, leaves
~ 1927 he renews his passport… but never uses it
~ my grandfather followed her to Montreal but no further… and based on what 0268 has told me.. I believe it is because she went to Australia.. I have found records for her brother and parents in Australia
Mystery #2... Where did she go.. And when
~ Ethel Lilian Miller (b 14 Aug 1898, Southfleet, Kent, emigrated 1926, d 13 April 1988 Sault Ste Marie) is hired as a housekeeper
~ 19 Sept 1933, Hazel Rosalie Meek is born (this is my mother)
~ 1935 he writes to Somerset house requesting copies of his marriages to Ada and Evelyn, as well as Ada’s death certificate
~ July 1951.. He writes an affidavit to the court, requesting to declare his spouse, Cissy Meek nee Brown, legally dead, and it is granted
Mystery #3... Where did the name Brown come from? Was it a deliberate red herring.. Or bad memory.. But he had the marriage record from the 1935 Somerset copies.. Mind you.. They did live on Brown Street!
~ Aug 1951, Hazel marries Robert Armstrong
Mystery #4 .. Where is the marriage record for my grandparents? I assume the 1935 requests were pressure from my grandmother as they now had a child… but… he seemed to have forgotten about Lily way back in 1912! So we come to 1951 when my mother wants to be married, and there is no record of her parents marriage.. So.. He has to declare Cissy dead.. But again.. The issue of Lily is in the background.. And so I assume no marriage happened in the month before my parents marriage.. Because if we found copies of the marriages to the other 3.. I would think my grandmother would have kept her own!

So there it all is. You can’t make this stuff up!
I do envy you folks over in England.. Who have access to the actual records.
Some day in the not too distant future, I hope to park my Canadian backside in the Forest of Dean, and look for myself.

Now.. I am also looking for what happened to 2 of his sisters… Rosalie Bickerton Meek, and Frances Elizabeth Bennet Meek… I do know one of them married a Swiss man, she died and he remarried. So any help on this would be appreciated.