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West Midlands BDM (reply)

m p griffiths — Sun, 09 Jan 2011 09:21:52 +0000

The marriage of James HOWELL and Hannah POOLE

The West Midlands website

http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk/

gives a little more information on this marriage i.e.

James HOWELL married Hannah POOLE - Oldswinford, St Mary 1860

Photo etc and more information of St Mary's Old Swinford on

Genuki Worcestershire

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/WOR/

James HOWELL b.1841 Lydney. (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 09 Jan 2011 07:43:51 +0000

1851
Sarah Poole abt 1829 Kinver, Staffordshire, England Head Kinver, Staffordshire
Hannah Poole abt 1842 Kinver, Staffordshire, England Daughter Kinver, Staffordshire

Name: Hannah Poole
Name: James Howell
Year of Registration: 1860
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Stourbridge
County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands, Worcestershire
Volume: 6c
Page: 244

1861
James Howells abt 1841 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Head Kinfare, Staffordshire
Hannah Howells abt 1841 Kinver, Staffordshire, England Wife Kinfare, Staffordshire
Sarah J Howells abt 1860 Kinver, Staffordshire, England Daughter Kinfare, Staffordshire

1881
James Howell abt 1841 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Hannah Howell abt 1853 Kiner, Staffordshire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Maria Howell abt 1863 Kiner, Staffordshire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Fanny Howell abt 1865 Cookley, Worcestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
James Howells abt 1868 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Hiram Howells abt 1873 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Edward W. Howells abt 1876 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
George J. Howells abt 1878 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Joseph Howells abt 1880 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

James Howell b.1841 Lydney. (reply)

cyberacct — Sun, 09 Jan 2011 00:38:17 +0000

I would be interested in any information you have on James Howell who was born in 1841 in Lydney. Deborah Howell his mother is a distant cousin of mine. His grandmother Mary Howell Jordan is my 4th great-aunt. I would like a copy of his marriage certificate, to see if any of the witnesses are in my database. Looking forward to hearing from you.

James Howell b.1841 Lydney. (reply)

Thomas Ian Wagstaff — Fri, 06 Aug 2010 19:27:12 +0000

To Slowhands,M.P.Griffiths and Bob Philpott.

Thanks for the information on James Howell it certainly gives me a number avenues to explore.
All the Best,

Ian W.

James Howell b.1841 Lydney. (reply)

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James Howell b.1841 Lydney. (reply)

Bob Philpott — Tue, 03 Aug 2010 16:03:28 +0000

Ian,

I was beaten to it in suggesting Middle Forge. The Forge area was a series of cottages used by workers from Lydney Tin Works and is on the Whitecroft road out of Lydney. It crops up a lot in my family tree. In fact I do have one of my Cook's marry a Howell and the name William and James Howell features in their family as well. I used to argue as a 'young un' that the Foresters weren't all related to each other but I am starting to think otherwise.

Can I suggest one radical way of finding out more. This excellent website has a very excellent search engine of parish records. I approached this one day with my Cook family and downloaded every Cook record in and around Lydney to Alvington. I copied these onto Microsoft One Note as a piece of research software (I suspect there are others around) and gradually matched up all the B, M and D records. I then put the non related ones into a separate folder awaiting any change. I thought I might get a 30% return but ended up 'owning' about 80% of the ones I found. As a result my tree suddenly got a lot of extra branches.

Bob Philpott (Allsopp, Cook(e), Parry)

James Howell/HALL b.1841 Lydney- FOD records (reply)

m p griffiths — Tue, 03 Aug 2010 14:59:00 +0000

Ian

FOD Records

Mary HOWELL appears to have had least two (poss) other children in St Briavels

Sarah - 11 August 1816
Emanuel - 16 August 1816

Thomas JORDAN (Wdr) married Mary HOWELL 18 May 1826 Lydney

James HALL christened 21 March 1841, mother's forename : Deborah
address: Middle Forge

Base child of

FOD records

Marriage at St Briavels - 7 April 1850

Deborah HOWELL - Spinster (no father's name listed) residence Lower Meend

married

James BIRD - father John BIRD Lime Burner

witnesses: Abraham JORDAN and Sara HULIN

1851 Census St Briavels

BIRD

James - 44 Foregeman (all born St Briavels)
Debra - 30
Ann 10, Lucy 7 and Howard J - 2

1851 Census, James HOWELL Grandson, living with Mary JORDAN

James HOWELL b.1841 Lydney. (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 03 Aug 2010 14:05:32 +0000

Looks like :-

1841 Middle Forge, Newerne Parish of Aylburton
Thomas Jordan abt 1766 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire
Mary Jordan abt 1796 Lydney, Gloucestershire
River Jordan abt 1827 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire
Abraham Jordan abt 1829 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire
John Jordan abt 1832 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire
Mary Jordan abt 1834 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire
Deborah Howell abt 1821 Lydney, Gloucestershire
James Howell abt 1841 [3 months] Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire

<><><><><>today

Middle Forge
Forest Road
Lydney
GL15 4ET

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en-GB&rlz=1T4ADBF_en-GBGB310GB310&q=GL15%204ET...

<><><><> historic perspective

From 1653 the ironworks were worked by John Wade, the parliamentary administrator of the Forest. (fn. 51) After the recovery of his estate Sir John Winter resumed ironworking, using a new furnace, at the south-west end of Lydney town on part of the grounds of White Cross house, (fn. 52) and forges on the Newerne stream called Pill forge (later Lower forge), near the head of Lydney Pill, (fn. 53) New forge (later Middle forge), c. 600 m. above Newerne village, (fn. 54) and Slitting Mill forge (later Upper forge), adapted from the former slitting mill on the parish boundary south-west of Kidnalls.

From: 'Lydney', A History of the County of Gloucester: Volume 5: Bledisloe Hundred, St. Briavels Hundred, The Forest of Dean (1996), pp. 46-84. URL: http://193.39.212.226/report.aspx?compid=23251 Date accessed: 03 August 2010.

<><><><><> Background

1851
Mary Jordon abt 1792 Llandigo, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Lydney, Gloucestershire
Abraham Jordon abt 1831 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Gloucestershire
John Jordon abt 1832 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney,
Mary Jordon abt 1834 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Gloucestershire
James Howell abt 1841 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Grandson Lydney, Gloucestershire

1851
James Bird abt 1807 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Head St Briavels, Gloucestershire
Debra Bird abt 1821 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Wife St Briavels, Gloucestershire
Ann Bird abt 1841 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Daughter St Briavels, Gloucestershire
Lucy Bird abt 1844 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Daughter St Briavels, Gloucestershire
Howard J Bird abt 1849 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Son St Briavels, Gloucestershire

maybe :-

Year: 1821
Month: Jun
Day: 3
Parents_Surname: HOWELL
Child_Forenames: Debirah
Fathers_Forenames: not stated
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Lower Meend
Occupation: [not stated]
Officiating_Minister: Charles D.Blyth Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Single Woman
Notes: Confirm forename spelt Debirah
Register_Reference: P278 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 26
Parish_Chapel: St Briavels

and maybe >>>>

Year: 1808
Month: Jan
Day: 3
Parents_Surname: HOWELL
Child_Forenames: Mary
Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Mothers_Forenames: Jane
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Meend
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: Tho[ma]s Thomas Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Illeg[itima]te
Notes:
Register_Reference: P278 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 21
Parish_Chapel: St Briavels

Year: 1823
Month: Jul
Day: 6
Grooms_Surname: JONES
Grooms_Forenames: William
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: St. Briavels
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: HOWELL
Brides_Forenames: Mary
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: St Briavels
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Mark of Amos Lewis
Witness_2: William Hulin Clark
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Charles D Blyth Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P278 IN 1/10
Page_Number: 37
Parish_Chapel: St Briavels

James Howell b.1841 Lydney.

Thomas Ian Wagstaff — Tue, 03 Aug 2010 13:05:31 +0000

Hello All,
I'm not used to this format of communication so I hope I'll get through.James Howell was my G.G.Grandfather who I think I've traced to the 1841 census living with a family named Jordan,the head being Thomas,also in the household is Deborah Howell who I assume is his mother.The address was M/B?---- Forge,Lydney.I have his marriage cert.on which his father is recorded as William Howell,but I've had no success locating his birth cert. at the G.R.O.Is there any local knowledge as to the Forge address or any advice as to where/how I may be able get further information.

Many Thanks,

Ian Wagstaff.