Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Henry HOCHLEITNER 1885

Henry HOCHLEITNER 1885 (reply)

rookancestrybest — Wed, 18 Aug 2010 22:14:27 +0000

I was thinking on the same lines, whether they had a bad time with such a name during the First and or Second World Wars. However the fact the brother's wife seems to have kept the German sounding surname makes it hopeful...I have found where others in my family history have suddenly disappeared it has been that they have either re-married; or gone abroad. I've presumed many a person had died only to find them popping up in some country far away and marrying someone there! Judging by him working in the hotel and catering industry there was scope for them to move anywhere. I will keep looking too and if I find an answer will post it here.
(One young woman in my family history I had presumed to die in childhood but after three or four years I found records, in the last two weeks (!), of her marrying someone in Bombay and living there at the same time as her sister who was married to a vicar working there! Though sadly I found she did die young, but in Madras three or four years after she married!
You solved the mystery also of Sympherosa Rook whom I thought had died but who instead was married three times, lived to a good age, and, understandably, appears to have shortened her name to Rosa! So the picture might unfold at some stage in the future. I have found though that with rare names it can sometimes make it very easy to track people down but in other cases harder. (My great grandmother on another side of the family had a rare surname which meant that people e.g. priests and census gatherers changed it to what they thought it was rather than keeping to it which made tracing her brother who emigrated to the USA very difficult and finding the exact place where they were born to be a nightmare!)
Thanks again Slowhands, you ought really to be called Swifthands though because of the speed of your responses!

Henry HOCHLEITNER 1885 (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 18 Aug 2010 06:48:20 +0000

I can find no trace of Henry and Elizabeth later on, they might have emigrated?

I'm struggling too - however the search has not been abandoned !

Given the period of history its possible they changed the Austrian surname and stayed in the UK - in which case an added degree of difficulty has been added to the quest :-)

I cannot see the names, or similar in the online emigration databases.

Henry HOCHLEITNER 1885 (reply)

rookancestrybest — Tue, 17 Aug 2010 21:33:02 +0000

Thanks I'll try it but it hasn't worked for me before!!

Henry HOCHLEITNER 1885 (reply)

m p griffiths — Tue, 17 Aug 2010 21:12:22 +0000

I google

1911 census

and even though I've run out of credits, I still seem to get basic info

Henry HOCHLEITNER 1885 (reply)

rookancestrybest — Tue, 17 Aug 2010 21:10:21 +0000

Thanks for this it's come on here within seconds of my posting. I can't find a website with a free 1911 census, do you know of one?

Henry HOCHLEITNER 1885 (reply)

m p griffiths — Tue, 17 Aug 2010 21:07:48 +0000

If you search the 1911 census - this way - click on search for a place

and enter

HOCHLEITNER - born Austria - you have Henry & Martin

Henry HOCHLEITNER 1885 (reply)

rookancestrybest — Tue, 17 Aug 2010 20:58:40 +0000

I think you are right about the Elizabeth who died in Hampstead, she is likely to be Elizabeth (nee Tyler)'s sister-in-law. I can find no trace of Henry and Elizabeth later on, they might have emigrated? I am still looking into it and it is still a mystery as to whether Henry's family is of Swiss, Austrian or German origin or where Henry and his brother were born.

Henry HOCHLEITNER 1885 (reply)

rookancestrybest — Sat, 14 Aug 2010 21:14:40 +0000

Thank you for this, you've done it before I got chance to go to the public library.
Much appreciated as usual.

Henry HOCHLEITNER 1885 (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 13 Aug 2010 21:47:03 +0000

My guess is that Elizabeth went to London to work , met Henry return to the Forest to marry and then they return to London

Year: 1908
Month: Aug
Day: 17
Grooms_Surname: HOCHLEITNER
Grooms_Forenames: Henry
Grooms_Age: 24
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Restaurant chef
Grooms_Residence: Coleford
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Hochleitner
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Frank
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Hotel Proprietor
Brides_Surname: TYLER
Brides_Forenames: Elizabeth
Brides_Age: 26
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Coleford
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Tyler
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: John
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: John H. Tyler
Witness_2: Laura Tyler
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: G. Adsley Piper
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P 93 IN 1/11
Page_Number: 238
Parish_Chapel: Coleford

1911 6 Victoria Mansions, Edgware Road W, Paddington, London
HOCHLEITNER HENRY M 1885 26 Paddington London Waiter Austrian
HOCHLEITNER ELIZABETH F 1883 28 Paddington London Coleford Glos

No obvious children recorded.

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Name: Henrietta D M Hochleichter
Birth Date: abt 1878
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1951
Age at Death: 73
Registration district: Pancras
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5d
Page: 345

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Name: Elizabeth Hochleitner
Death Registration Month/Year: 1964
Age at death (estimated): 74 [1890]
Registration district: Hampstead
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5c
Page: 736

<><><> a brother and possible Elizabeth ?

1901
Henry R Simpson abt 1863 Denbighshire N W, Nuaton Head Cirencester, Gloucestershire Groom
Lucy A Simpson abt 1861 NH, Brixworth Wife Cirencester, Gloucestershire
Lucy A Simpson abt 1884 Ns Chester, Christleton Daughter Cirencester, Gloucestershire
Ben Simpson abt 1887 NH, East Haddon Son Cirencester, Gloucestershire
Frank Simpson abt 1889 Stratton, Gloucestershire, England Son Cirencester, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Simpson abt 1891 Stratton, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Cirencester, Gloucestershire
Alfred Simpson abt 1894 Stratton, Gloucestershire, England Son Cirencester, Gloucestershire
Antromnette E Simpson abt 1898 Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Cirencester, Gloucestershire

1911
HOCHLEITNER MARTIN M 1889 22 St Pancras London

Name: Martin Hochleitner
Spouse :Elizabeth Simpson
Year of Registration: 1912
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Cirencester
County: Gloucestershire, Wiltshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 879

Name: Martin Hochleither
Birth Date: 8 Apr 1889
Death Registration Month/Year: 1973
Registration district: Hampstead
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5b
Page: 1576

<><><> A modern day namesake :-
Martin Hochleitner (* 1970 in Salzburg) Is a Austrian Art historian and on since 2000 Head of the State Gallery Upper Austrian Provincial Museum in Linz.

http://www.landesgalerie.at/en/lg/

Elizabeth TYLER 1881 ish and Henry Hochleitner (reply)

rookancestrybest — Fri, 13 Aug 2010 20:21:22 +0000

I think that this might be the Elizabeth Tyler I am looking for. She is recorded on your parish records as having married Henry Hochleitner on 17th August 1908 at Coleford. Her father's name is correct and his occupation tallies with other records the two witnesses match with her siblings:John H and Laura Tyler.
I wonder if anyone knows anything of Henry Hochleitner. I am wondering whether he might be German or Swiss? If the latter there was another relative who married a Swiss man. Mr. Hochleitner is described as being in the hotel and catering trade and his father is listed as an hotelier too. I am wondering whether they had a hotel somewhere in the FOD? If anyone knows anything about the Hochleitner's I would be interested to learn about them.
An Elizabeth Hochleitner died in the 1960s in London and a trip to my local library to use its subscription to Ancestry.com may well clarify whether this is the same person.

Because it's such a rare name here I'd be interested to know if anyone knows anything about it.

Elizabeth WHITE nee TYLER Lane End ? (reply)

rookancestrybest — Fri, 13 Aug 2010 20:13:51 +0000

This Elizabeth has different parents but I think I have found a marriage match for the Elizabeth Tyler I am looking for *see next posting.

Laura HEDGES nee TYLER 1888 - 1967 (reply)

rookancestrybest — Wed, 11 Aug 2010 21:47:56 +0000

So twins in this part of the family but Charles and Thomas turn out to be one person and brother of Laura in the generation above!

Elizabeth WHITE nee TYLER Lane End ? (reply)

rookancestrybest — Wed, 11 Aug 2010 21:26:23 +0000

Thank you again Slowhands, how do you do it?! The family had connections with Pontypool and a number of others had moved to Swansea too so it all ties in well with that. I will digest what you've found and see whether the Swansea ones went to live and or work where their relatives did!
I really appreciate all the work you've put in. Thanks again.

John TYLER 1876 -1938 Lane End (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 11 Aug 2010 08:43:13 +0000

Name: Elizabeth Gertrude Jones
Name: John Henry Tyler
Year of Registration: 1898
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 45

1901
John Tyler abt 1876 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Monmouthshire
Gertrude Tyler abt 1878 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Monmouthshire
Ernest T Tyler abt 1900 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire

1911
TYLER JOHN H M 1877 34 Monmouth Monmouthshire
TYLER GERTRUDE F 1879 32 Monmouth Monmouthshire
TYLER A THOMAS M 1900 11 Monmouth Monmouthshire
TYLER BINGHAM M 1904 7 Monmouth Monmouthshire
TYLER JOHN E M 1899 12 Monmouth Monmouthshire
TYLER LESLIE M 1906 5 Monmouth Monmouthshire
TYLER WILLIAM H M 1902 9 Monmouth Monmouthshire

Name: Gertrude Tyler
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Year of Registration: 1915
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 37
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 31

Year: 1915
Month: Dec
Day: 29
Surname: TYLER
Forenames: Gertrude
Residence: Wife of John H[enr]y Tyler
Age_at_death: 37
Officiating_Minister: Thomas Addis
Event: Interment
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: (1) Broadwell Lane End (2) North Div[ision] : Adult Gr[ave] (3) B 32 (4) Unconsecrated (5) West Dean
Notes:
Register_Reference: DA25 / 204 / 30
Page_No: 19
Parish_Chapel: Coleford Cemetery

Name: John H Tyler
Death Registration Month/Year: 1938
Age at death (estimated): 63
Registration district: Forest of Dean
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 349

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Name: Leslie Tyler
Birth Date: 14 Aug 1905
Death Registration Month/Year: Jun 1986
Age at death (estimated): 80
Registration district: Forest of Dean
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 22
Page: 1761

William TYLER 1883 Lane End (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 11 Aug 2010 07:52:04 +0000

Name: Esther Wilson
Name: William Tyler
Year of Registration: 1905
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 74

1911
TYLER WILLIAM M 1883 28 Monmouth Monmouthshire
TYLER ESTHER F 1882 29 Monmouth Monmouthshire
TYLER HILDA F F 1910 1 Monmouth Monmouthshire
TYLER WILLIE H J M 1907 4 Monmouth Monmouthshire

Name: Albert C Tyler
Year of Registration: 1912
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's Maiden Name: Wilson
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 42

move to South Wales ?

Name: Elizabeth E Tyler
Year of Registration: 1914
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's Maiden Name: Wilson
District: Swansea
County: Glamorgan, West Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 2334

Name: Doris K Tyler
Mother's Maiden Surname: Wilson
Date of Registration: Oct Nov Dec 1916
Registration district: Swansea
Registration county: Wales
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 1863

Name: Phyllis M M Tyler
Mother's Maiden Surname: Wilson
Date of Registration: Jan Feb Mar 1920
Registration district: Swansea
Registration county: Wales
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 2586

<><><><> a possible :-
Name: William Charles Tyler
Birth Date: 6 May 1883
Death Registration Month/Year: 1969
Registration district: Cardiff
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 8b
Page: 1388

Elizabeth WHITE nee TYLER Lane End ? (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 11 Aug 2010 07:27:56 +0000

Name : Charles White
Name: Elizabeth Tyler
Year of Registration: 1901
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 23

Martin James W TYLER 1894 - 1960 (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 11 Aug 2010 07:11:23 +0000

Name: Martin James W Tyler
Year of Registration: 1894
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 21

Name: Martin J W Tyler
Death Registration Month/Year: 1964
Age at death (estimated): 70
Registration district: Willesden
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 5f
Page: 246

Laura HEDGES nee TYLER 1888 - 1967 (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 11 Aug 2010 06:13:16 +0000

Nmae: William A Hedges ( or Frederick Davies )
Name: Laura M Tyler
Year of Registration: 1911
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Pontypool
County: Gwent, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 294

offspring

Muriel C Hedges 1911
Year of Registration: 1911
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's Maiden Name: Tyler
District: Pontypool
County: Gwent, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a

PreviewName: Reginald V Hedges
Year of Registration: 1911
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's Maiden Name: Tyler
District: Pontypool
County: Gwent, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a

PreviewName: James G Hedges
Year of Registration: 1912
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's Maiden Name: Tyler
District: Pontypool
County: Gwent, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a

PreviewName: Anstey L Hedges
Year of Registration: 1915
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's Maiden Name: Tyler
District: Pontypool
County: Gwent, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a

Name: Isabel E Hedges
Mother's Maiden Surname: Tyler
Date of Registration: Oct Nov Dec 1918
Registration district: Swansea
Registration county: Wales
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 1838

Name: Laura D Hedges
Mother's Maiden Surname: Tyler
Date of Registration: Apr May Jun 1920
Registration district: Swansea
Registration county: Wales
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 2432

Name: Laura M Hedges
Death Registration Month/Year: 1967
Age at death (estimated): 78
Registration district: West Glamorgan
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 8b
Page: 785

TYLER family Lane End (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 11 Aug 2010 05:44:30 +0000

first step - reconfirm the census footprint..

1871 Lane End
John Tyler 21
Maria Tyler 18
Libbie Tyler 8 months

1881 Lane End
John Tylor abt 1849 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Maria Tylor abt 1852 Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Rosa Tylor abt 1874 Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
John Tylor abt 1876 Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Tylor abt 1878 Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Teresa Tylor abt 1880 Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

1891
John Tyler abt 1851 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Maria Tyler abt 1852 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Rosa Tyler abt 1873 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
John Tyler abt 1876 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Charles Tyler abt 1878 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Tyler abt 1881 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
William Tyler abt 1885 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Lorry Tyler abt 1888 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Alice Tyler abt 1891 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

1901
John Tyler abt 1848 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Monmouthshire
Maria Tyler abt 1852 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Monmouthshire
William Tyler abt 1883 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire
Laura Tyler abt 1889 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Monmouthshire
Allice Tyler abt 1891 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Monmouthshire
James Tyler abt 1895 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire

Year:1910
Month:Apr
Day:14
Surname:TYLER
Forenames:John
Residence:Collier
Age_at_death:60
Officiating_Minister:G A M Wynne
Event:Interment
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:(1) Barnhill Near Coleford (2) South Div[ision] : Adults Gr[ave] (3) R 11 (4) Consecrated (5) West Dean
Notes:
Register_Reference:DA25 / 204 / 2
Page_No:5
Parish_Chapel:Coleford Cemetery

1911
TYLER MARIA F 1852 59 Monmouth Monmouthshire
TYLER GILBERT M 1908 3 Monmouth Monmouthshire
TYLER JAMES M 1895 16 Monmouth Monmouthshire

Year:1923
Month:Jun
Day:15
Surname:TYLER
Forenames:Maria
Residence:Widow
Age_at_death:71
Officiating_Minister:Rev[eren]d E H Brice
Event:Interment
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:(1) Broadwell Lane End (2) [not stated] (3) QQ 4 (4) Consecrated (5) London W
Notes:
Register_Reference:DA25 / 204 / 30
Page_No:38
Parish_Chapel:Coleford Cemetery

step 2 attempt to match to BMD entries

Name: Lizzie Tyler
Year of Registration: 1870
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 27

Name: Rosa Tyler
Year of Registration: 1873
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 31

Name: John Henry Tyler
Year of Registration: 1875
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 19

Name: Charles Thomas Tyler
Year of Registration: 1877
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 30

Name: Teresa Elizabeth A Tyler
Year of Registration: 1880
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 19

Name: William Tyler
Year of Registration: 1883
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 26

Name: Laura Matilda Tyler
Year of Registration: 1888
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 22

Name: Alice Tyler
Year of Registration: 1891
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 21

Name: Martin James W Tyler
Year of Registration: 1894
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 21

now try to find marriages / deaths for them

Tyler/Tylor

rookancestrybest — Tue, 10 Aug 2010 21:03:59 +0000

Does anyone know what became of all the children of John and Maria Tyler/Tylor (born May 31,1852 (nee Rook(e))? They were married in Parkend on Jan 24th 1870 and lived in Coalway, Lane End,Coleford. They were both buried in Coleford, John in 1910 and Maria in 1923. I have their dates of birth etc. However they had the following children and I can find no record of marriages and wonder if any might have emigrated? Most of the children appear to have been born in Monmouth or at least registered there:
Libby 1871 or Elizabeth 1881 (or both?)(not sure if there was a mathematical error in my calculations or transcription errors),
John (1876),
Teresa (1880),
William (1885),
Lorry or Laura (1888),
Alice (1891),
Charles and Thomas (1878) (Twins?),
Rosa (1873).
Any news on these would be most welcome. I've tried Familysearch, Ancestry and your database.