Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Seth CHANNON 1857-1903 Shirenewton Mon

Seth CHANNON 1857-1903 Shirenewton Mon (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 28 Mar 2012 19:33:25 +0000

1861
Seth Griffiths abt 1825 Shire Newton, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Griffiths abt 1834 Varteg, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Seth Chaining abt 1857 Shire Newton, Monmouthshire, Wales Nephew Bedwellty, Monmouthshire

Name: Seth Channon
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1903
Age at Death: 46
Registration district: Pontypridd
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 310

1901
Seth Channon abt 1857 Shire Newton, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
Elizabeth Channon abt 1859 Pontypool, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
Esther Oliver abt 1884 Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales Adopted Daughter Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
Arthur D Thomas abt 1897 Ferndale, Glamorgan, Wales Adopted Son Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan

1891
Seth Shannon abt 1857 Monmouthshire, Wales Head Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
Elizabeth Shannon abt 1859 Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
Esther Oliver abt 1884 Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales Adopted Daughter Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan

1881
Seth Channon abt 1857 Ohise Newport, Monmouth, Wales Head Aberdare, Glamorgan
Elizabeth Channon abt 1859 Pontypool, Monmouth, Wales Wife Aberdare, Glamorgan
John Collier abt 1864 Westbury, Wiltshire, England Lodger Aberdare, Glamorgan

Name: Seth Channon
Name: Elizabeth Jones
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1879
Registration district: Abergavenny
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 82

Seth GRIFFITHS 1822 Shirenewton Mon (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 28 Mar 2012 18:50:14 +0000

1822 Shirenewton Baptisn
8th April
Seth s/o Jas & Margt GRIFFITHS of this parish labourer

1841 SHIRENEWTON ??
GRIFFISS OR GRIFFIN
MARGARET 40 WIDOW(widow crossed out)
REBECCA 13
CHAS 20
ARTHUR 8
MARIA BURRIS OR BERRIS 20
All born in county

1851 Shirenewton
Margaret Griffiths 52 Widow Shirenewton
Tryphena Griffiths 15

Mothers death ?
Name: Margaret Griffiths
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1855
Registration district: Chepstow
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 2

Name: Robert William Channon
Name: Try[ph]hena Griffiths
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1856
Registration district: Chepstow
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 25

1861
Tryfena Chaning abt 1834 Chepstow, Monmouthshire, Wales Visitor Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Esther Chaning abt 1860 Varteg, Monmouthshire, Wales Visitor Aberystruth, Monmouthshire

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1841
Thomas Coney abt 1796 Penalth, Monmouthshire
Seth Griffiths abt 1824 Monmouthshire, Wales Penalth, Monmouthshire
Ellen Morgan abt 1834 Monmouthshire, Wales Penalth, Monmouthshire

1851
John Smith 57
Gwenllian Smith 45
Elizabeth Smith 17
Mary Smith 10
Jane Griffiths 3
Seth Griffiths 28

Name: Seth Griffiths
Name: Elizabeth Jones
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1855
Registration district: Pontypool
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 127

1851 Merthry tydfil
Edmund Jones 40
Elizabeth Jones 17 Varteg
William Bennet 32

1861
Seth Griffiths abt 1825 Shire Newton, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Griffiths abt 1834 Varteg, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Seth Chaining abt 1857 Shire Newton, Monmouthshire, Wales Nephew Bedwellty, Monmouthshire

James SMITH of Garndiffaith, Mon (s/o Seth GRIFFITHS) (reply)

Todd07064 — Wed, 28 Mar 2012 17:54:37 +0000

I've been trying to research for the parents of James SMITH who was born on 3 July 1851 in Garndiffaith, Monmouthshire, Wales. Here is what I have come up with so far:

In the Wales census for 1871 it appears that he is living as a boarder in Trevethin, Monmouthshire, Wales.

The 1872 marriage document between James SMITH and Mary Ann MORGAN states his father as Seth SMITH (deceased).

In the England census for 1881 and 1891 his birth is stated in Monmouthshire, Wales.

In the United States census for 1900 his birth is stated as July 1851 in England.

As per his Naturalization documents from 1905 & 1912 he states his birth as 3 July 1851 in Garndiffaith, England (actually a part of Trevethin, Monmouthshire, Wales).

The death certificate for James SMITH also states his birth as 3 July (year illegible), father as Seth SMITH and mother unknown.

Please also refer to these posts:
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=10981

Some time ago I decided to try for a birth record for him using the names, dates and places listed above. The reply that I received was that no record could be found and that the search was made for 1850, 1851, and 1852. Recently, however, I decided to try again using the exact volume and page number I suspected to be correct. There was only one James SMITH born for July of 1851 in Monmouthshire, Wales.

I received the following:
Birth: 4 July 1851, Garndiffaith Trevethin, Monmouthshire, Wales.
Father: not listed
Mother: Elizabeth SMITH
Informant: Gwenllian SMITH

I further decided to look into these names and found the following from the 1851 Wales census:

Residence: Garndiffaith Trevethin, Monmouthshire, Wales
John SMITH 57 Head Gloucester, English Bicknor
Gwenllian SMITH 45 Wife Breconshire
Elizabeth SMITH 17 Daughter Monmouth, Trevethin
Mary SMITH 10 Daughter Monmouth, Trevethin
Jane GRIFFITHS 3 Grand Daughter Monmouth, Trevethin
Seth GRIFFITHS 28 Lodger Monmouth, Shirenewton

So now it would seem that James SMITH is the illegitamate son of Seth GRIFFITHS.

Also of interesting note is that John and Gwenllian SMITH had another daughter Ann who married a Charles GRIFFITHS. They later would have a son Thomas Seth GRIFFITHS.

I am currently unable to locate this family (other that Ann who is living in East Dean) in 1861. I have had some success for 1841, 1871 & 1881 but can't seem to find marriages or deaths that make sense. For example a found a married Seth and Elizabeth GRIFFITHS that are the correct ages but the names don't match up in the Marriage Index.

Any guidance as to how to proceed from this point forward would be much appreciated.

James SMITH and Mary Ann SMITH (nee MORGAN) ->America (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 05 Mar 2012 16:43:41 +0000

1910
James Smith 58 Luzerne, Nanticoke

Ellis Island

First Name : James
Last Name : Smith
Ethnicity: English
Residence : Rusbridge(!)
Arrival April 27 1893
Age: 40y
Gender : M
Marital Status :M
Ship: Teutonic
From Liverpool
Manifest line 0094
travelling with Henry aged 17 to Phillidelphia....

1891
James Smith abt 1852 Monmouthshire, Wales Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary A Smith abt 1855 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Henry Smith abt 1874 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
John Smith abt 1878 Spennymoor, Durham, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Alfred Smith abt 1880 Featherstone, Yorkshire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
William Smith Jabt 1883 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emily Smith abt 1885 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Martina Smith abt 1887 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
James Smith abt 1889 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

1881
James Smith abt 1853 Monmouth, Wales Head Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Smith abt 1855 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Henry Smith abt 1874 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
John Smith abt 1878 Durham, England Son Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Alfred Smith abt 1880 Yorkshire, England Son Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire

SMITH James
MORGAN Mary Ann
Forest of Dean Westbury-on-Severn (FoD) Register Office
1872
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James Smith and Mary Ann Smith (nee Morgan) (reply)

mazzat — Fri, 19 Aug 2011 16:55:45 +0000

Mary Ann Morgan is also in my family tree. She is my 2nd great grand aunt, her father James being my 3rd great grandfather. I have just returned from a visit to the Forest of Dean to see the area where my ancestors were born.

Mary Tull

James Smith and Mary Ann Smith (nee Morgan) (reply)

Todd07064 — Wed, 01 Sep 2010 13:17:30 +0000

As a matter of fact Mary Ann followed her eldest brother Isaiah to Nanticoke, Pennsylvania, USA. He and a majority of his family arrived in 1888. Also, if you've found Mary Ann on the passenger list take note of the family above. The name is Margaret WRIGHT and she is Mary Ann's niece, Isaiah's daughter.

I have found some info about John NEWMAN including a passport application with photo. It says he came to the U.S. in 1893 too. I had flagged some grave information for me to check out. I believe he died on 24 March 1924 and is buried in Nanticoke Cemetery near his wife Martha BATH who died on 20 July 1920. I was going to try for an obituary but they were not a high priority because I wasn't sure if they were related.

I believe that I have traced Richard NEWMAN from his arrival in 1907, the 1910 to 1930 U.S. Census as well as his World War I and World War II Draft Registration Cards. Sorry no death information.

I have posted the obituaries for Isaiah MORGAN and many of his children as well Mary Ann SMITH and her children on findagrave.com if you'd like to check it out. I still have many more to go though.

I'd like to find out more about Hannah Maria NEWMAN nee MORGAN but I'll try to contact you through the user tab.

James Smith and Mary Ann Smith (nee Morgan) (reply)

Parisien — Wed, 01 Sep 2010 10:33:57 +0000

I'm descended from Mary Ann Morgan's sister, Hannah Maria Morgan (she was my g.grandmother). She married William Newman, and two of her sons emigrated to the same area, Nanticoke, Pennsylvania, as your g.g.grandmother -- John Newman in 1900 and Richard Newman in 1907. Presumably they chose the place because their aunt was already living there. Do you know if she herself was following other emigrants from the Forest?

I can trace the Newman brothers up to the 1920 US census and then I lose track.

Martin

James Smith and Mary Ann Smith (nee Morgan) (reply)

Todd07064 — Wed, 01 Sep 2010 02:45:00 +0000

Hi Martin,
Actually James SMITH and Mary Ann MORGAN are my great-great-grandparents. Their daughter Emily was my great-grandmother. The family did emmigrate to the US in 1893, although not together. They were the last of my ancestors to arrive in America.

How are you related to them?

Todd

James Smith and Mary Ann Smith (nee Morgan)

Parisien — Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:13:02 +0000

Message moved from -> http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=27213

Hi Todd,

I'm just curious.......I have in my family tree James Smith and Mary Ann Smith (nee Morgan) whose children were baptised in the Bible Christian Chapel, Ruspidge and who emigrated to the US in 1893.

Would they be your great grandparents by any chance?

Martin