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<title>Rhoda Minnie Goode - b. 1869 Finally found her death (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Rhoda Minnie Goode<br />
died 26th Decemeber 1891<br />
Runcorn Cheshire Uk<br />
Typhoid Fever <br />
Hospital House Runcorn</strong></p>
<p>Wife of Albert Smith, mother of Olive Elizabeth Smith b19 Jul 1888</p>
<p>Deaths Dec 1891<br />
SMITH     Rhoda     22     Runcorn     8a    155</p>
<p>Well that concludes the first part of my research finally... </p>
<p><em><strong>Thanks to everyone for your assistance and especially to Slowhands. </strong></em></p>
<p>I think that next I'd best start in on some of the relations of Albert Smith, his father James Smith b15 May 1842 (and also the other children of Anthony Hyde and Eliza Jennings) etc...</p>
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<title>Elizabeth SMITH nee MILLS 1828 Stroud (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a Daniel MILLS from Stroud who moves to East DEAN in the lat e1850's - I wonder if he had a sister / cousin who is Sydney's mother. ?</p>
<p>1861<br />
Danil Mills abt 1814 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire  Coal Miner<br />
 Elizabeth Mills  abt 1815 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Charles Mills  abt 1844 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Thomas Mills  abt 1847 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Edwin Mills abt 1851 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Elizabeth Mills  abt 1853 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Peter Mills  abt 1855 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire</p>
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<title>Rhoda Minnie Goode - b. 1869 Finally found her death (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi</p>
<p>I've finally found the solution to the Rhoda Minnie Goode saga and in my excitement I really have to tell everyone.</p>
<p>Name:   Minnie Goode<br />
Year of Registration:  1869<br />
Quarter of Registration:  Apr-May-Jun<br />
District:  Westbury On Severn<br />
County:  Gloucestershire<br />
Volume:  6a<br />
Page:  222 </p>
<p><strong><span style="color:#f00;"><br />
Deaths Dec 1891   (&gt;99%)<br />
SMITH  Rhoda  22  Runcorn  8a 155</span></strong></p>
<p>She went to Runcorn to be at the deathbed of her husband Albert and the typhoid also took her. Terribly sad story. I will post more when the death certificate arrives... It does explain why my Great Grandmothers pragmatism to some degree however and also why she never told my Grandmother about her parents... She didn't know them...</p>
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<title>Albert Smith (b 1868 aprox) figured it out at last (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've figured it out. Still don't have Alberts birth certificate but the gist of the census information gives it some sense. I suspect that the baptism I have for Albert Smith is possibly correct anyway as the Elizabeth Smith (nee Mills) Albert Smith is born 24 jan 1868 (I accidentally ordered his birth certificate while attempting to get my Alberts certificate). My Albert Smith is baptised 1st April 1868; without the mothers maiden name its not going to be possible to prove either way other than to say that the Mills Albert is clearly indicated on the birth certificate.</p>
<p><span style="color:#33f;"><br />
Record_ID: 42755<br />
Entry_Number: 270<br />
Year: 1868<br />
Month: Apr<br />
Day: 1<br />
Parents_Surname: SMITH<br />
Child_Forenames: Albert<br />
Fathers_Forenames: James<br />
Mothers_Forenames: Elisabeth / Elizabeth<br />
Mothers_Surname: <br />
Residence: Mitcheldean<br />
Occupation: Miner<br />
Officiating_Minister: C E Dighton Rector<br />
Event: Baptism<br />
Memoranda: [Son of]<br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P220 IN 1/4<br />
Page_Number: 34<br />
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean<br />
Soundex: S530<br />
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<p>I had the information there I just hadn't made the connections. </p>
<p>James Smith b.1811 marries Eliza Jennings b.1808, he dies before 1846 and she remarries Anthony Hyde b.1820 d 1878</p>
<p>Eliza Jennings had a son James Smith and daughter Ellen Smith to James Smith. She has George and Sarah Hyde b.1849 to Anthony Hyde. It also gets especially confusing as both families have two James Smiths, and the siblings share first names between both families.</p>
<p>I'd confused the census information due to the merging of the Smith Hyde families. Silly of me as there is other information which links my Smiths back to the Hydes later on (such as the birth cert for Eliza Hyde which my Great grandmother used as her own identity to get a pension in Canada). My friend in NZ who thought we were related includeded my Alberts details in her research as well. Easily done given the similarities in names and such and the lack of definitive birth certs for my Albert. We've been merging the two Smith families hence the confusion. The savings grace is that the other Elizabeth Smiths' maiden name is Mills and it can be seen clearly that Sydney and the other Albert are hers as boh have birth certificates.</p>
<p>I'll now build the details up but that's the case as far as I can see. Some gaps to fill but the solutions in front of me now.</p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p><br />
Lawrence <br />
&lt;big sigh of relief&gt;</p>
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<title>Eliza Jennings second marriage to Anthony Hyde 1846 (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Witnesses </p>
<p>William Jennings<br />
Priscilla Hyde</p>
<p>Anthony Hyde Signs<br />
Eliza Smith Marks</p>
<p><br />
Name:   Anthony Hyde<br />
Year of Registration:  1846<br />
Quarter of Registration:  Jul-Aug-Sep<br />
District:  Gloucester (1837-1937)<br />
County:  Gloucestershire<br />
Volume:  11<br />
Page:  442 (click to see others on page)</p>
<p>Hyde  Anthony    Gloucester  11 442</p>
<p>==================</p>
<p>Surname    Given Name    District    Volume    Page    Transcribers  <br />
Marriages Sep 1846<br />
Smith  Elizabeth  Gloster  XI  442  Ian  <br />
Smith  Elizabeth  Gloster  XI  442<br />
Certificate in files</p>
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<title>Elizabeth FLETCHER nee SMITH  -  1865,  Mitcheldean (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi</p>
<p>From the evidence of the birth certificate of Sydney Smith I know that </p>
<p>1881 Townsend St<br />
James Smith abt 1832 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire<br />
Elizabeth Smith abt 1828 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Wife Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire<br />
Albert Smith abt 1868 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Son Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire<br />
Sydney Smith abt 1872 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Son Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire</p>
<p>relates to the Elizabeth Smith nee Mills. So can happily rule them out. Weird coincidence that they have an Albert but they are very common names. At least thats what my evidence suggests.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1881<br />
John Fletcher abt 1829 Rodborough, Gloucestershire, England Head Kingstanley, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Harriett Fletcher  abt 1833 Bristol, Gloucestershire, England Wife Kingstanley, Gloucestershire  <br />
 William Fletcher abt 1854 Rodborough, Gloucestershire, England Son Kingstanley, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Isaac Fletcher  abt 1857 Rodborough, Gloucestershire, England Son Kingstanley, Gloucestershire  <br />
 James Fletcher  abt 1863 Ebley, Gloucestershire, England Son Kingstanley, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Albert Fletcher  abt 1865 Ebley, Gloucestershire, England Son Kingstanley, Gloucestershire  <br />
 George Fletcher abt 1871 Ebley, Gloucestershire, England Son Kingstanley, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Arthur Fletcher abt 1873 Ebley, Gloucestershire, England Son Kingstanley, Gloucestershire  <br />
 John Fletcher  abt 1859 Ebley, Gloucestershire, England Son Kingstanley, Gloucestershire </p>
<p>&lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;</p>
<p>1891 High St<br />
James Smith abt 1832 Abinghall, Gloucestershire, England Head Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire Iron Miner<br />
Elizabeth Smith abt 1828 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Wife Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire <br />
Elizabeth Smith abt 1867 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire <br />
George E Fletcher abt 1869 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Lodger Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire Sawyer<br />
James Wm Hook abt 1872 Mayhill, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire <br />
George G Powell abt 1874 , Clifton; Bristol Boarder Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire</p>
<p>Name: Elizabeth Smith<br />
Name: George Edward Fletcher <br />
Year of Registration: 1891 <br />
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep <br />
District: Monmouth (1837-1939) <br />
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire <br />
Volume: 11a <br />
Page: 64 </p>
<p>1901<br />
George Ed Fletcher  abt 1870 Ebley, Gloucestershire, England Head Burton Extra, Staffordshire  <br />
 Elizabeth Fletcher  abt 1865 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Burton Extra, Staffordshire  <br />
 Albert Ed Fletcher  abt 1892 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Son Burton Extra, Staffordshire  <br />
 Elizabeth A Fletcher  abt 1895 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Burton Extra, Staffordshire</p>
<p>1911<br />
FLETCHER GEORGE EDWARD M 1870 41 Burton upon Trent Staffordshire <br />
 FLETCHER ELIZABETH F 1865 46 Burton upon Trent Staffordshire   <br />
 FLETCHER ALICE GERTRUDE F 1909 2 Burton upon Trent Staffordshire   <br />
FLETCHER FREDRICK STANLEY M 1906 5 Burton upon Trent Staffordshire   <br />
 FLETCHER SIDNEY JOHN M 1904 7 Burton upon Trent Staffordshire</p>
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<title>Eliza Jennings Correction (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Year: 1808<br />
Month: Apr<br />
Day: 3<br />
Parents_Surname: JENNINGS<br />
Child_Forenames: Elizabeth<br />
Fathers_Forenames: Jeremiah<br />
Mothers_Forenames: Sophia<br />
Mothers_Surname:<br />
Residence:<br />
Occupation:<br />
Officiating_Minister: Wm Gyllett A.M. vicar<br />
Event: Baptism<br />
Memoranda:<br />
Notes:<br />
Register_Reference: P83 IN 1/1<br />
Page_Number: 187<br />
Parish_Chapel: Churcham <br />
==============<br />
1851 Census </p>
<p>Record<br />
Preview<br />
Name:  Eliza Hyde<br />
Age:  43<br />
Estimated Birth Year:  abt 1808<br />
Relation:  Wife<br />
Spouse's Name:  Anthony<br />
Gender:  Female<br />
Where born:  Churcham, Gloucestershire, England<br />
Civil parish:  Westbury On Severn<br />
County/Island:  Gloucestershire<br />
Country:  England<br />
Registration district:  Westbury On Severn<br />
Sub-registration district:  Newnham<br />
ED, institution, or vessel:  2a<br />
Household schedule number:  119<br />
Household Members:  <br />
Name  Age<br />
Anthony Hyde  31<br />
Eliza Hyde  43<br />
Ellen Hyde Smith  10<br />
James Smith  8<br />
George Hyde  5<br />
Sarah Hyde  2</p>
<p>See more<br />
Eliza Hyde  Anthony  abt 1808  Churcham, Gloucestershire, England  Wife Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire</p>
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<title>Sydney SMITH  -  1871,  Mitcheldean (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi</p>
<p>My suspician is that they are distict families but with the same names.</p>
<p>Anthony Hyde is his stepfather</p>
<p>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++</p>
<p>Year: 1842<br />
Month: May<br />
Day: 15<br />
Parents_Surname: SMITH<br />
Child_Forenames: James<br />
Fathers_Forenames: James<br />
Mothers_Forenames: Eliza<br />
Mothers_Surname:<br />
Residence: Tibberton<br />
Occupation: Carpenter<br />
Officiating_Minister: W[illia]m Bushell<br />
Event: Baptism<br />
Memoranda:<br />
Notes:<br />
Register_Reference: P332 IN 1/3<br />
Page_Number: 32<br />
Parish_Chapel: Tibberton</p>
<p>He marries Elizabeth Page Hughes (herself having two marriages, this being her second).</p>
<p>His mother is Eliza Jennings Born 1811 daughter of Jerimiah Jennings I suspect.</p>
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<title>Sydney SMITH  -  1871,  Mitcheldean (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its starting to look like a second marriage is missing to a slightly older Elizabeth from Stroud - I'm on the case (again!)</p>
<p>Is this the death of the &quot;first &quot; Elizabeth from Mitcheldean ?</p>
<p>Year: 1866 <br />
Month: Dec <br />
Day: 19 <br />
Surname: SMITH <br />
Forenames: Elizabeth <br />
Residence: Nail Bridge <br />
Age_at_death: 3_ years <br />
Officiating_Minister: William Barker <br />
Event: Burial <br />
Cause_of_death: [Not Sta <br />
Memoranda: Name is annotated NY R-G 18-1 Letter P in left hand margin <span style="color:#f00;">[North Yard Row 18 Grave 1 ?]</span>Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/12 <br />
Page_No: 11 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook </p>
<p>or perhaps :-<br />
Name: Eliza Smith <br />
Estimated birth year: abt 1840 <br />
Year of Registration: 1870 <br />
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar <br />
Age at Death: 30 <br />
District: Westbury On Severn <br />
County: Gloucestershire <br />
Volume: 6a <br />
Page: 200 </p>
<p>A possible marriage but christian names may be a problem ...</p>
<p>Surname  First name(s)    District  Vol  Page  <br />
---------------------------------------------------------------<br />
Marriages Mar 1870   (&gt;99%)<br />
-----------------------------------------------------------<br />
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Mills  Catherine Maria    Stroud  6a 455    <br />
Pottow  Mary Jane     Stroud  6a 455    <br />
RATCLIFF  Thomas     Stroud  6a 455    <br />
Smith  James     Stroud  6a 455 </p>
<p>or the Elizabeth MILLS was a widow using a maiden name...</p>
<p>Surname  First name(s)    District  Vol  Page  <br />
---------------------------------------------------------------<br />
Marriages Mar 1869   (&gt;99%)<br />
-------------------------------------------------------------<br />
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COLLINS  John Henry    Stroud  6a 464    <br />
COOK  Sarah     Stroud  6a 464    <br />
Howell  Elizabeth     Stroud  6a 464    <br />
Smith  James     Stroud  6a 464    </p>
<p><br />
&lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;&lt;&gt; prior analysis</p>
<p><a href="http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=20472">http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=20472</a></p>
<p>Year: 1856 <br />
Month: Feb <br />
Day: 14 <br />
Grooms_Surname: SMITH <br />
Grooms_Forenames: James <br />
Grooms_Age: full <br />
Groom_Condition: Bachelor <br />
Grooms_Occupation: Saddler <br />
Grooms_Residence: Mitcheldean <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: [not stated] <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated] <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated] <br />
Brides_Surname: BUDGE <span style="color:#f00;">[RUDGE seems most likely]</span><br />
Brides_Forenames: Elizabeth <br />
Brides_Age: full <br />
Brides_Condition: Spinster <br />
Brides_Occupation: [not stated] <br />
Brides_Residence: Mitcheldean <br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname: [not stated] <br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated] <br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated] <br />
Licence_or_Banns: Licence <br />
Date_of_Banns: [not stated] <br />
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign <br />
Witness_1: John Smith <br />
Witness_2: Hester Smith <br />
Other_Witnesses:  <br />
Officiating_Minister: E Machen <br />
Event: Marriage <br />
Memoranda:  <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P220 IN 1/8 <br />
Page_Number: 27 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean </p>
<p>1861 High Street<br />
James Smith abt 1833 Westbury, Gloucestershire, England Head Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire Saddler<br />
Elizabeth Smith abt 1831 <span style="color:#f00;">Mitcheldean</span>, Gloucestershire, England Wife Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire <br />
George Smith abt 1858 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Son Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire <br />
Mary A Smith abt 1859 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire <br />
Emily Smith abt 1860 Mitcheldean Daughter Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire <br />
Louisa Nelmes abt 1842 Shapridge Servant Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire <br />
Oliver Preece abt 1848 Mitcheldean Apprentice Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire </p>
<p>Year: 1871 <br />
Month: Nov <br />
Day: 26 <br />
Parents_Surname: SMITH <br />
Child_Forenames: Sydney <br />
Fathers_Forenames: James <br />
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth <br />
Mothers_Surname:  <br />
Residence: Mitcheldean <br />
Occupation: Miner <br />
Officiating_Minister: C E Dighton Rector <br />
Event: Baptism <br />
Memoranda: [Son of] <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P220 IN 1/4 <br />
Page_Number: 44 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean </p>
<p><br />
1871 Townsend Mitcheldean<br />
James Smith 39 East Dean<br />
Elizabeth Smith 44 <span style="color:#f00;">Stroud</span><br />
Thomas Smith 17 Mitcheldean<br />
James Smith 15 Mitcheldean<br />
Alice Smith 13 Mitcheldean<br />
John Smith 11 Mitcheldean<br />
Sarah Ann Smith 9 Mitcheldean<br />
Elizabeth Smith 7 Mitcheldean<br />
Enock Smith 5 Mitcheldean<br />
Abbert Smith 3 Mitcheldean</p>
<p>1881 Townsend St<br />
James Smith abt 1832 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire <br />
Elizabeth Smith abt 1828 <span style="color:#f00;">Stroud,</span> Gloucestershire, England Wife Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire <br />
Albert Smith abt 1868 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Son Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire <br />
Sydney Smith abt 1872 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Son Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire</p>
<p>1891 High St<br />
James Smith  abt 1832 Abinghall, Gloucestershire, England Head Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire  Iron Miner<br />
 Elizabeth Smith  abt 1828 <span style="color:#f00;">Stroud</span>, Gloucestershire, England Wife Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Elizabeth Smith abt 1867 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 George E Fletcher  abt 1869 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Lodger Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire  Sawyer<br />
 James Wm Hook  abt 1872 Mayhill, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 George G Powell  abt 1874 , Clifton; Bristol Boarder Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire</p>
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<title>Sydney Smith - Birth certificate 1871, 27 July (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Births Sep 1871  <br />
SMITH  Sydney     Westbury S.  6a 232</strong> </p>
<p>No 162 <br />
DOB: 27th July 1871, Mitcheldean<br />
Name Sydney (Boy)<br />
Father: James Smith,  Miner, Mitcheldean<br />
Moher: Elizabeth Smith formerly Mills<br />
Registered date: 22 August 1871<br />
Registrar: Edward Teague <br />
Westbury on Severn<br />
1871 Newnham County of Gloucester</p>
<p><br />
Well this proves that a number of the census's I took for granted as belonging to my Albert Smith are incorrect. I'm going to go back through the data and will post again when I can prove/verify who he is.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may have found a possible solution to identify which records are correct. I've ordered the birth cert for Sydney Smith, fingers crossed it lists his mothers maiden name.</p>
<p>I'll post when I have it in hand.</p>
<p>regards</p>
<p>Lawrence</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Name: Matthew Smith <br />
Estimated birth year: abt 1806 <br />
Year of Registration: 1881 <br />
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun <br />
Age at Death: 75 <br />
District: Westbury On Severn <br />
County: Gloucestershire <br />
Volume: 6a <br />
Page: 148 </p>
<p>1881 Plump Hill<br />
Mathew Smith  abt 1806 Hycham, Buckinghamshire, England Head Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Eliza Smith  abt 1807 Eastdean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire </p>
<p>1871<br />
Mathew Smith 65 <br />
Eliza Smith 64 <br />
Thos Smith 24 <br />
Philip Smith 20 <br />
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 <br />
 1861<br />
Matthew Smith  abt 1805 Hiwickham, Buckinghamshire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Eliza Smith  abt 1807 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Thomas Smith  abt 1847 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Philip Smith  abt 1851 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire </p>
<p>1851<br />
Mathew Smith abt 1806 High Wicken, Buckinghamshire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Eliza Smith  abt 1807 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 James Smith  abt 1832 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 John Smith  abt 1834 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Charlotte Smith abt 1839 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Thomas Smith  abt 1847 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Phillip Smith abt 1850 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire </p>
<p>1841 Horsepool Bottom<br />
Mathew Smith abt 1806   Dean Forest, Gloucestershire  paper Maker<br />
 Eliza Smith abt 1805 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Ann Smith abt 1830 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire  <br />
 James Smith abt 1832 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire  <br />
 John Smith abt 1834 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Willam Smith abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Charlote Smith abt 1839 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Hariet Smith abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire</p>
<p>Year: 1829 <br />
Month: May <br />
Day: 18 <br />
Grooms_Surname: SMITH <br />
Grooms_Forenames: Mathew <br />
Grooms_Age: not <br />
Groom_Condition: not stated <br />
Grooms_Occupation: not stated <br />
Grooms_Residence: the Hundred of St Briavels <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: not stated <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: not stated <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: not stated <br />
Brides_Surname: BARNARD <br />
Brides_Forenames: Eliza <br />
Brides_Age: not <br />
Brides_Condition: not stated <br />
Brides_Occupation: not stated <br />
Brides_Residence: the Hundred of St Briavels <br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname: not stated <br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: not stated <br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated] <br />
Licence_or_Banns: Banns <br />
Date_of_Banns: [not stated] <br />
Signature_or_Mark: He signs she marks <br />
Witness_1: Mark of William Roberts <br />
Witness_2: Mark of Ann Roberts <br />
Other_Witnesses: <br />
Officiating_Minister: John Chell A.B. Officiating Minister <br />
Event: Marriage <br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: Groom signs: Matthew Smith <br />
Register_Reference: <br />
Page_Number: 24 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Hope Mansell</p>
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<p>I hope to have some time tomorrow to revisit this &quot;puzzle&quot;</p>
<p><em>, son of Matthew Smith, born in High Wycombe in 1806</em> does seem to fit with my earlier suggestion.</p>
<p>Year: 1868 <br />
Month: Apr <br />
Day: 1 <br />
Parents_Surname: SMITH <br />
Child_Forenames: Albert <br />
Fathers_Forenames: James <br />
Mothers_Forenames: Elisabeth / Elizabeth <br />
Mothers_Surname:  <br />
Residence: Mitcheldean <br />
Occupation: Miner <br />
Officiating_Minister: C E Dighton Rector <br />
Event: Baptism <br />
Memoranda: [Son of] <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P220 IN 1/4 <br />
Page_Number: 34 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean </p>
<p>Well the only possible mis-fit is the marriage record below, or rather the brides surname and HUGHES would be a possible for a transcription error. Not sure wheer Elizabeth MILLS comes into this unless the first Elizabeth dies and he re-marries Elizabeth MILLS between 1861 and 1871 ( when the Stroud birth place appears) ??</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Year: 1856 <br />
Month: Feb <br />
Day: 14 <br />
Grooms_Surname: SMITH <br />
Grooms_Forenames: James <br />
Grooms_Age: full <br />
Groom_Condition: Bachelor <br />
Grooms_Occupation: Saddler <br />
Grooms_Residence: Mitcheldean <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: [not stated] <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated] <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated] <br />
Brides_Surname: BUDGE <br />
Brides_Forenames: Elizabeth <br />
Brides_Age: full <br />
Brides_Condition: Spinster <br />
Brides_Occupation: [not stated] <br />
Brides_Residence: Mitcheldean <br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname: [not stated] <br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated] <br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated] <br />
Licence_or_Banns: Licence <br />
Date_of_Banns: [not stated] <br />
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign <br />
Witness_1: John Smith <br />
Witness_2: Hester Smith <br />
Other_Witnesses: <br />
Officiating_Minister: E Machen <br />
Event: Marriage <br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P220 IN 1/8 <br />
Page_Number: 27 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean </p>
<p>regards<br />
S</p>
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<p>The Goode side seems to be correct, its only the Smith side where I suspect I've combined two families with a James and Elizabeth Smith in them. Both from Abinhall or Mitcheldean.</p>
<p>ciao</p>
<p>Lawrence</p>
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<p>I thought that everything to do with Alberts parents was gone but then I remembered that in my Great Grandmaothers funeral notice which she wrote (she had slow acting overian cancer) she lists her parents as: </p>
<p>James Smith, Elizabeth Hughes (who were in fact her grandparents). It also places her birth at Ruffell (actually Ruffet) Little Dean Glos Eng.</p>
<p>What shook me is that I've been contacted by a very nice person in NZ who thought that we might be related. As it turns out one of us, both of us or neither of are wrong but our research doesn't marry.  </p>
<p>Where it does take me is to the birh of Albert whom I (in spite of now posessing 3 birth certificates for him which are all wrong) have never reconciled into the family of James and Elizabeth properly; </p>
<p>The 1871 and 1881 census's I was working from may refer to another family:</p>
<p><span style="color:#333;">1871 census </span></p>
<p><span style="color:#333;">James Smith          39<br />
Elizabeth Smith  44<br />
Thomas Smith          17<br />
James Smith          15<br />
Alice Smith          13<br />
John Smith          11<br />
Sarah Ann Smith  9<br />
Elizabeth Smith  7<br />
Enock Smith          5<br />
Abbert Smith          3 (I'd say this is Albert with a trasncription error)</span></p>
<p>1881 census</p>
<p><span style="color:#666;">Name:   Albert Smith<br />
Age:  13<br />
Estimated Birth Year:  abt 1868<br />
Relation:  Son<br />
Father's Name:  James<br />
Mother's Name:  Elizabeth<br />
Gender:  Male<br />
Where born:  Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England<br />
Civil parish:  Mitcheldean<br />
County/Island:  Gloucestershire<br />
Country:  England<br />
Street Address:  Townend Street<br />
Education:<br />
Employment status:</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#666;">View image<br />
Occupation:  ((Iron Miner)) Scholar<br />
 <br />
Registration district:  Westbury On Severn<br />
Sub-registration district:  Newnham<br />
ED, institution, or vessel:  30<br />
Neighbors:  View others on page<br />
Household Members:  <br />
Name  Age<br />
James Smith           49<br />
Elizabeth Smith   53<br />
Albert Smith           13<br />
Sydney Smith           9</span></p>
<p>She seems to have had Sydney and Albert quite late but there is a consistent spacing in the ages.</p>
<p>The research sent to me is following James and Elizabeth Smith (nee Mills, born in Stroud. I suspect that perhaps I have a cross over into their lives or my friend in NZ has a cross over into the lives of my Smiths (its at this point I despair the common names). &quot;This particular James Smith was an iron miner born in Mitcheldean in 1831, son of Matthew Smith, born in High Wycombe in 1806&quot;. </p>
<p>Claire has also written this which really threw me as this is the cross over of our research: </p>
<p>&quot;My line starts with Matthew (b.1805 in Buckinghamshire, son of Richard Smith, papermaker) and Eliza (nee Barnard) Smith - lived at Abenhall (v. close to Mitcheldean) Son James Smith b. 1831 Mitcheldean (10 siblings) Married Elizabeth Mills from Stroud in 1828.</p>
<p><span style="color:#666;">Children:<br />
Thomas, James, Alice, John, Sarah, Elizabeth, Enoch, Albert (b. 1866), Sydney (all appear in census records)<br />
The family lived in Townsend St Mitcheldean.<br />
The men were mostly iron miners.<br />
</span></p>
<p>I have a record from the church register from Mitcheldean (on FOD website) that has Albert marrying Rhoda Minnie Goode on July 18 1888, father of groom James Smith miner, and an Elizabeth Smith as witness.&quot;</p>
<p>What it means is that we are in trouble with our research and your keen mind and insight would be very welcome (gripped by despair as I am of the thought that all these years work are wrong :-).</p>
<p>Writing it out has helped a little though as the clincher is that the funeral notice of my great Grandmother lists James and Elizabeth. I'd better scan that and send it to claire to see what she makes of it.</p>
<p>Kind regards</p>
<p>Lawrence</p>
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<p>How much has been &quot;shaken&quot; in the last 12 months ?</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unhappily everything I thought I knew about Albert Smith with the exception of his marriage to Rhoda Minnie Goode in 1888, the birth of their daughter Olive Elizabeth Smith in 1888 and his death in Runcorn Cheshire in 1891 are now proving to be incorrect. </p>
<p>I'm at a bit of a loss as to where to begin again:</p>
<p>I'm pretty sure that this belongs to another Albert Smith</p>
<p><span style="color:#999;">Record_ID: 42755<br />
Entry_Number: 270<br />
Year: 1868<br />
Month: Apr<br />
Day: 1<br />
Parents_Surname: SMITH<br />
Child_Forenames: Albert<br />
Fathers_Forenames: James<br />
Mothers_Forenames: Elisabeth / Elizabeth<br />
Mothers_Surname: <br />
Residence: Mitcheldean<br />
Occupation: Miner<br />
Officiating_Minister: C E Dighton Rector<br />
Event: Baptism<br />
Memoranda: [Son of]<br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P220 IN 1/4<br />
Page_Number: 34<br />
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean<br />
Soundex: S530</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#999;"><span style="color:#000;">and the only things I now know for sure are his fathers name as shown on his marriage cert:</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#999;"><span style="color:#999;">Year: 1888<br />
Month: Jul<br />
Day: 18 (could be a 10? in the original)<br />
Grooms_Surname: SMITH<br />
Grooms_Forenames: Albert<br />
Grooms_Age: 20<br />
Groom_Condition: Bachelor<br />
Grooms_Occupation: Labourer<br />
Grooms_Residence: Mitcheldean<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: SMITH<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: James<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Miner<br />
Brides_Surname: GOODE<br />
Brides_Forenames: Rhoda Minnie<br />
Brides_Age: 19<br />
Brides_Condition: Spinster<br />
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]<br />
Brides_Residence: Mitcheldean<br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]<br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]<br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]<br />
Licence_or_Banns: Banns<br />
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]<br />
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign<br />
Witness_1: Thomas Powell<br />
Witness_2: Elizabeth Smith<br />
Other_Witnesses:<br />
Officiating_Minister: G.E.Gilbanks<br />
Event: Marriage<br />
Memoranda:<br />
Notes:<br />
Register_Reference: P220 IN 1/8<br />
Page_Number: 65<br />
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean</span></span></p>
<p>This would mean that Elizabeth Page Hughes is not his mother, nor is he related to Eliza Jennings more than likely. </p>
<p>Any thoughts on all this would be most welcome and I'll happily flick over a gedcom file with the details of what I thought and what I can now verify if anyone has the time or interest to look it over.</p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>Lawrence</p>
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