Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Charlotte SMITH nee WILCE nee SMITH 1838 Abenhall

Charlotte SMITH nee WILCE nee SMITH 1838 Abenhall (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 15 Oct 2010 06:24:41 +0000

Mother of Elizabeth WILCE 1859 / Grandmother to Ernest MOODY

1901 Ruardean Woodside
Charlotte Smith abt 1832 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Reuben Meek abt 1871 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Boarder East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ernest Moody abt 1887 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Grandson East Dean, Gloucestershire

1891
Charles Smith abt 1838 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Charlotte Smith abt 1835 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Louis Wilce abt 1870 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Grandson East Dean, Gloucestershire
Alice Smith abt 1875 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Moses Hale abt 1876 Bury Hill, Gloucestershire, England Boarder East Dean,

1881
Charles Smith abt 1839 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Charlotte Smith abt 1836 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Alice Smith abt 1875 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ellen Smith abt 1877 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
James Wilce abt 1864 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Step Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Lewis Wilce abt 1869 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Step Son Westbury On Severn - East

Year: 1872
Month: Jun
Day: 10
Grooms_Surname: SMITH
Grooms_Forenames: Charles
Grooms_Age: 33
Groom_Condition: Widower
Grooms_Occupation: Miner
Grooms_Residence: Ruardean Woodside
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Smith (deceased)
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Timothy
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Brides_Surname: WILCE
Brides_Forenames: Charlotte
Brides_Age: 37
Brides_Condition: Widow
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Ruardean Woodside
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Nelmes (deceased)
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Moses
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Miner
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: He signs she marks
Witness_1: Mark of George Edwards
Witness_2: Lydia Edwards
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: William Barker Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 41
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

1871 Hinders Lane
Jabez Wilce 34
Charlotte Wilce 32
Thomas Wilce 12
Mary Ann Wilce 9
William Wilce 7
Janes Wilce 5
George Wilce 3

1861
James Wilce abt 1819 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Charlotte Wilce abt 1834 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Richard Wilce abt 1841 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
George Wilce abt 1843 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Caroline Wilce abt 1847 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Joseph Wilce abt 1853 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Wilce abt 1859 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1859
Month: Jun
Day: 5
Grooms_Surname: WILCE
Grooms_Forenames: Jabez
Grooms_Age: 22
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Ruardean
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Wilce
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Stone Cutter
Brides_Surname: SMITH
Brides_Forenames: Charlotte
Brides_Age: 20
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: Servant
Brides_Residence: Walford
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Smith
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Matthew
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Miner
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: both mark
Witness_1: Mark of Thomas Hale
Witness_2: Tryphena Wilce
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Arthur Stonhouse Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: AO19/11
Page_Number: 105
Parish_Chapel: Walford

1851
Mathew Smith abt 1806 High Wicken, Buckinghamshire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Eliza Smith abt 1807 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
James Smith abt 1832 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
John Smith abt 1834 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Charlotte Smith abt 1839 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Smith abt 1847 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Phillip Smith abt 1850 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

1841
Mathew Smith abt 1806 Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Eliza Smith abt 1805 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Ann Smith abt 1830 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
James Smith abt 1832 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
John Smith abt 1834 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Willam Smith abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Charlote Smith abt 1839 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Hariet Smith abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

Year: 1838
Month: Oct
Day: 21
Parents_Surname: SMITH
Child_Forenames: Charlotte
Fathers_Forenames: Matthew
Mothers_Forenames: Eliza
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Abenhall
Occupation: Paper-maker
Officiating_Minister: J. Davies
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P1 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 38
Parish_Chapel: Abenhall

Jabez WILCE appeared here :-
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=3209

James MOODY 1859 Gloucester ( in 1911) (reply)

Barlowlass — Thu, 14 Oct 2010 21:46:46 +0000

yes thanks James Left Leeds after remarrying a Ruth and went to Ebbw Vale so both pieces of information could be correct thankyou.

Searching for any information on Moody Wilkes and Wilce (reply)

Barlowlass — Thu, 14 Oct 2010 21:41:07 +0000

MP Griffiths yes does get bit confussed like i say so much going on at that time i know Ernest was living with diffrent family to William my grandad so looks like your on the right track.
Ernest was living with grandmother charlotte smith Nee Nelmes later wilce. Wonder about the Meeks because somewhere in my distant memories that rings bells my look into that one

William my Grandfather was living with Lydia Wilce perhaps married to a Thomas wilce born 1829 as the census of 1861 shows him living with his family in a public grocers could it be the same one Lydia is operating. It would appear that his Brother Edward Samuel was taken in by a family called Wilkes which adds to the confussion i have found him in Gloucester and have full army record etc and proof that is is the adopted son he is with but have found no record of him in the Forest it is his mother Elizabeths death you found in Ruarden.

This part of the Journey has been complex but not half as much as the journey down to the forest from Birmingham so thankyou for all the help.

James MOODY 1859 Gloucester ( in 1911) (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 14 Oct 2010 20:54:30 +0000

Name: Robert Knowles
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Year of Registration: 1894
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 42
District: Hunslet
County: Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 191

1901
Ruth Knowles abt 1855 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Head Hunslet, Yorkshire Widow ( of Robert)
Elizabeth Knowles abt 1879 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Daughter Hunslet, Yorkshire
Elizabeth Knowles abt 1901 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Granddaughter Hunslet, Yorkshire
James Moody abt 1859 Forest of Deon, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Hunslet, Yorkshire
Lily Moody abt 1891 Forest of Deon, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Hunslet, Yorkshire
Polly Douglas abt 1881 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Sister Hunslet, Yorkshire
William Kimberley abt 1877 Evenley, Warwickshire, England Boarder Hunslet, Yorkshire

Name: James Moody
Name: Ruth Knowles
Year of Registration: 1902
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Hunslet
County: Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 543

1911
MOODY JAMES M 1859 52 Bedwellty Monmouthshire born Gloucester
MOODY RUTH F 1854 57 Bedwellty Monmouthshire
MOODY LILIAN F 1890 21 Bedwellty Monmouthshire

possible

Name: Ruth Moody
Death Registration Month/Year: 1916
Age at death (estimated): 62
Registration district: Hunslet
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 665

probable

Name: James Moody
Death Registration Month/Year: 1927
Age at death (estimated): 68
Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 760

William James MOODY (reply)

m p griffiths — Thu, 14 Oct 2010 20:21:15 +0000

1901 Census, Yorkshire, Hunslet

James MOODY - 42, Coalminer, born Gloucestershire Forest of Dean
Lily MOODY - 10 - born ditto

1891 Census East Dean

James MOODY - 32, born Gloucester
Elizth MOODY - 32, born East Dean (nee WILCE c1859) ***
Ernest MOODY - 6 - born Gloster
William MOODY - 4 - ditto
Lillie MOODY - 1 - born East Dean

***

? 1861 census

Glos. East Dean
Ruardean Woodbank

WILCE

James - 42 Quarryman
Charlotte - wife - age 27
Richard - 20
George - 18
Caroline - 14
Joseph - 8
Elizabeth - 2

On FOD records

Elizabeth MOODY - age 34 - buried 27 December 1892 Ruardean

On FOD records

baptisms

Lillian Margaret MOODY - 21 September 1890
parents James & Elizabeth - born 31 July 1890

at Cinderford Methodist Church -

Not sure how many Methodist baptisms have been transcribed

but by using this website

http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/

and search for MOODY baptisms with mother's maiden name WILCE

you will find

Ernest Charles MOODY - 1885 - Gloucester St Nicholas ***
William James MOODY - 1887 - Gloucester St Nichols

*** getting a bit confused ??

1901 Glos. East Dean
Ruardean Woodwise

Charlotte MEEK - 69, Widow
Rueben MEEK - Wid - 30
Ernest MOODY - Grandson, age 14 belt boy

William James MOODY (reply)

Barlowlass — Thu, 14 Oct 2010 20:14:12 +0000

William Moody was my Grandfather he was left in down in the forest with his bother Ernest (who later went to the USA and Canada) when his mother passed away we suspect when Edward Samuel was born in 1892 his father james took his younger sister Lillie who was also born in the forest to Leeds to be with family there. James worked in the mine in Ruardean no idea which one an no idea how to access record to find out.Know William worked for we think family member as delivery boy but not found any directories that could help with my search.

William James MOODY (reply)

m p griffiths — Thu, 14 Oct 2010 19:46:18 +0000

may be there are links somewhere in this forum....

FOD records - Marriage 3 August 1884, Drybrook

James MOODY age 25 - Bachelor
Grooms Residence: Gloucester
father: Richard MOODY, Lace Maker
married
Elizabeth WILCE age 25 - Brides Residence, Holy Trinity
father: James WILCE, quarryman, deceased

witnesses: James WILCE and Mary Jane ADDIS (there is a Mary Jane ADDIS on the 1881 census - age 35 wife of George ADDIS in Bristol St Paul - if this is her, probably just a friend!)

you talk about William James MOODY being a delivery boy in Ruardean

1901 Census, Ruardean, Woodside

Lydia WILCE - Widow age 52, mother's help - born East Dean
Bessie WILCE - daughter, single, age 20 - born ditto
William MOODY - son - age 12, Errand boy Grocers - born ditto

1891 Census, Ruardean

Jovial Colliers Inn

Thomas WILCE - 43 (c1848) - Publication & Farmer, all born Ruardean
Lydia WILCE - 42
Arthur C B WILCE - 15 Pupil Teacher
Ernest E B WILCE - 12
Bessie S? WILCE - 10

one servant and a boarder.

William James MOODY

Barlowlass — Thu, 14 Oct 2010 18:22:30 +0000

I am searching for information on any of the above family names I have records showing my Grandfather William James Moody as delivery boy in Ruardean ....also Elizabeth wilce who married my great Grandfather James Edward Moody she died we believe in child brith in 1891 leaving a son Edward Samuel Moody who was brought up by a family called Wilkes i have just managed to find this information out after many years as we were not aware of his name been Edward and only had heresay but have been unable to find his bith reg or baptism. Our tree is complicated by the fact we have have James Edwards mother's maiden as Wilkes(Elizabeth) Also any information on a Mary Jane Addis as she was witness at the wedding of james Moody and elizabeth wilce in drybrook parish any help or recollections appreciated