Forest of Dean FHT Forum - John PUGH & Esther Frowen - Brockweir (Susan PEW)

John PUGH & Esther Frowen - Brockweir (Susan PEW) (reply)

MPGriffiths — Sat, 05 Apr 2014 17:15:05 +0000

Took me a while to find William HATHAWAY on the 1851 census in Bristol, but this is how it is transcribed on Ancestry

1851 Census, Bristol St Nicholas

Willm HATHWAY - 69 - labourer, born Brockward - Gloucestershire (think it says married)
Ann THRDWIN - 67 - visitor - unmarried, book binder, born Brockward - Gloucester (=c1784) ***
Willm BOWIN - 10 - visitor - born Trethevey, (Trevethin?) Monmouthshire ***

*** as Esther would lose her income should she re-marry, this could be Esther living under an assumed name. My x Grandad left Blakeney and moved to Swindon, think to escape debt - and he and his wife lived under his Grandmother's maiden name for two census returns. When my Grandad lived with them, his surname was correct and described as a Lodger. Their death certificates gave their correct names.

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Looking at Public Members Tree

Charles BOWEN (born Apri 1818 - died 1893, in Trevethin, Mon) married Susan PEW(PUGH - 1820-1898)** - Sept 1839

Llanover, Mons

? Church of Latter Day Saints, marriage at Llangattock Juxta Caerleon, Monmouthshire, Wales - 24 July 1839

Charles BOWEN and Susan TEW

CHILDREN: Charles 1841-1895, Thomas - 1851-1890, Frederick 1859 and Honor 1861

Assumed the Susan christened in Brockweir - i.e. Susan FROWEN, 1822)

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1871 Census, Trevethin

Upper George Street

BOWEN

Charles - 48 - Builder - born Mon. Trevethin
Susan - 47 - born Glos. St Breval (on the 1861 census in Trevethin, aged 37, born Glos, Brockweir)
Charles - 30 - born Mon. Blaenavon
Frederic - 12 - born Trevethin
Thomas - 20 - born Blaenavon
Honor - 10 - born Trevethin

1851 Census, Llanover, Blaenavon

BONEN

Thomas - 67? Builder (House) - born Mon. Usk
Charles - 32 - born Ponytpool
Susan - (wife) - 30 - born Glos St. Brevals
Charles - 10
Thomas - 1

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1841 Census, Llanover, Monmouthshire

Charles BOWEN - 20
Susan BOWEN - 19
Charles BOWEN - 8 months
Thyra PUGH - 15 - Female Servant

John PUGH & Esther Frowen - Brockweir (reply)

Blakemiz — Fri, 04 Apr 2014 23:44:29 +0000

I believe Esther Frowen went on to marry William Hathaway, Mariner at Trelleck in 1838.The transcription gives Esther's surname as 'Throwen'. confirms her father as William Throwen. One of the witnesses was John Pugh (presumably Esther's son)
In 1851 William Hathaway was living in Bristol, Ann 'Throwin' was a visitor, presumably Esther's sister, with William Bowen aged 10. Esther could have been visiting family in Wales as there is an entry for an Esther Hathway. She may be the Esther Hathaway who died in Bristol in 1857.
I have not found her yet in the 1841 Census, although William was possibly in Chelsea Hospital for Mariners.
I am a direct descendant of William Hathaway. He married 3 times and had an extended family of 14 children, including step-children from his first marriage, 7 of his own children from his first & second, a step-child from his second, this is before the 'Pugh' step-children are added...a total of well over 20 all told..
regards
Lindsey

John PUGH & Esther Frowen - Brockweir (reply)

m p griffiths — Tue, 23 Nov 2010 21:03:16 +0000

FOD records

Marriage at Flaxley - 11 September 1838

John FROWEN, full age, Bachelor, Miner, Hundred of St Briavels

father: John PUGH, Waterman

married

Mary Ann FOSSETT - father: William FOSSET, labourer, - brides residence: Flaxley

witnesses: William YOUNG, Ann BENNETT

Notes: Surname of groom confirmed from Marriage Register volume 11 page 527 which also indicates that the surname of the bride is TERRET

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FOD records

William FROWEN - christened 24 June 1809 - Hewlsfield (address Brockwear) mother : Esther

Mary FROWEN - christened 27 January 1811 - ditto (illegitimate)

Gloucestershire Baptism Index (after 1813)

Baptisms at Hewlesfield St Mary, Magdalene, - address Brockweir Common -

Beavis FROWEN - 13 January 1822, ils Esther

Esther FROWEN - 13 January 1822, ditto

Susan FROWEN - 13 January 1822, ditto

John FROWEN - 28 April 1822, ditto

Mira FREWEN - 15 June 1825, mother - Hester

Daniel FROWEN (BAS) - 1 June 1828, Mother - Hester

Burial at Hewlesfield - Anne FROWEN - 2 January 1816 age 4, address: Brockwear

John PUGH: 1 June 1825, age 57 Brockwear Common (c1768)

Amelia PUGH: 12 March 1837 - age 32

Elizabeth PUGH: 20 June 1830 - age 59

John PUGH & Esther Frowen - Brockweir

ajpugh — Tue, 23 Nov 2010 12:37:40 +0000

Hi - I am descended from the above through one of their sons - John Wesley FROWEN (aka PUGH!)and am trying to reach a little further back. I have John's will where he leaves everything to Esther (Hester) Frowen as long as she remains unmarried - else to the children. I cannot find out what happened to Esther after John PUGH died in 1825. Probate was granted in 1828 so she was alive then. Can anyone help here please?

I know that John's parents were William PUGH and Mary nee Taylor as they are buried in the same grave as is also Ann FROWEN (child.) I am thinking that this William PUGH was the William bap. 21/8/1730 at Chapel Hill (Mon) son of Roland and Mary PUGH who later came to Hewelsfield/Brockweir and had a Mary (bap 8/1/1734 Hewelsfield), John (bap 20/1/1742 Hewelsfield) and an Elizabeth (bap ?) but buried 27/7/1760 at Chapel Hill.

I'm hoping that someone knows of this family as it is confusing (to me!) as the IGI gives a Joannes PUGH son of Rolandi at Chapel Hill - I read that as John - but this baptism was 5/3/1731 (not sure if this is old or new style date as it is a bit soon if this is a brother to William if old style)

I have a John PUGH who married Sarah Daniel living in Chapel Hill but I don't know which John this is.

I would appreciate any light on this

Thanks

Alan (Frowen) PUGH