Forest of Dean FHT Forum - The Surname has NOT been seriously mistranscribed

The Surname has NOT been seriously mistranscribed (reply)

admin — Sun, 16 Jan 2011 08:20:15 +0000

Variations in the Spelling of a Surname
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=21797

Susanna ROOK (reply)

rookancestrybest — Sat, 15 Jan 2011 21:22:16 +0000

Thank you for this, it seems to fit as she was still unmarried three years earlier when she was witness at Thomas's wedding. There is also the possibility of a Henry Rook who approximately fits this age. I have found two Henry Rooks before but was not sure whether they were definitely in the family tree.

Susanna ROOK (reply)

m p griffiths — Fri, 14 Jan 2011 22:05:35 +0000

This link is getting long..... so probably will be locked

I have had a quick look at my Gloucestershire Marriage Index

Susanna ROOKE married Thomas BUBB - Cheltenham St Mary 12 August 1816 Banns

Gloucestershire Baptism Index CD

Henry BUBB christened at Cheltenham St Mary - 30 October 1816 - Thomas (occupation Surgeon) and Susanna - address Allstone

Sarah BUBB christened at Cheltenham St Mary - 27 January 1819 - Thomas (occupation Attorney's Clerk) and Susanna

They then moved to Prestbury (St Mary )

Frances Elizabeth BUBB - 19 August 1821, (Thomas - Surgeon) & Susannah

Mary Susanna BUBB - 11 january 1824 - address Hicks - parents ditto

Sarah ROOKE BUBB - 1 May 1825 - parents and occupation ditto

Rebecca NEALE BUBB - born 15 December 1827, christened 5 September 1830

1841 Census, Prestbury, Mill Lane

Thomas BUBB - 45 Publican (all born in County)
Susanna BUBB - 40
Henery BUBB - 20
Frances BUBB - 15
Sarah BUBB - 15

and

Henery ROOKE - 76 - Independent - born in County

1851 Census, Prestbury

Henry BUBB - 33 - Innkeepr, born Glos. Cheltenham
Susanna BUBB - mother - age 54, - Gentlewoman, born Prestbury

PHILLIS WAS THOMAS' SECOND WIFE (reply)

rookancestrybest — Fri, 14 Jan 2011 21:33:52 +0000

Phillis was Thomas Rook's second wife as he was a widower when he married her. There is a record of someone with his name being married to an Elizabeth who died in 1797 in Newnham. I think he already had some children to this wife when he married Phillis: they may have been Anne, another Thomas (who is the Thomas from whom I descend).
Possibly also a Miriam. There was a Susannah Rook(e) too who is somehow related. The latter was a witness at my Thomas' wedding.

Fanny MORGAN nee VAUGHAN born Upper Forge, Lydney (reply)

rookancestrybest — Fri, 14 Jan 2011 20:34:48 +0000

Spellings weren't always standard in those days.

ROOK (reply)

rookancestrybest — Fri, 14 Jan 2011 20:32:52 +0000

Which Elizabeth Rook are you looking at? I have Elizabeth Mary Stead who married Thomas Rook (who I now think is the son of Thomas Rook and Phyllis). This Elizabeth was definitely born in 1786 and married Thomas Rook on 21st and 22nd February 1813 (two weddings one RC the other C of E to make it legal). There are so many Elizabeths in this family that you might be thinking of another one? Please clarify and I'll see what I can find from my other records if this one isn't the one you have in mind.

IGNORE THIS I'VE LOOKED AT THE INFORMATION AND REALISE WHICH ELIZABETH YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. IT MUST BE THE FLU WHICH CONFUSED ME!!!!

ROOK (reply)

rookancestrybest — Fri, 14 Jan 2011 20:27:38 +0000

Thanks this is even more exciting and as appreciated as your last posting as my ancestor was Thomas Rook and I had found this Phyllis before and thought that these were the next generation back in my family tree. I am even more convinced you are right now!

Fanny Vaughan (m Morgan) born Upper Forge (reply)

rookancestrybest — Fri, 14 Jan 2011 20:25:51 +0000

Thank you so much, I think you have solved my mystery! I really do appreciate this as I had been going round and round in circles with it. If Fanny Vaughan's mother was Rook before she was married I am pretty certain these are the right people. You've made my day and I needed something to cheer me up as I am recovering from having been ill with flu! Once more thank you so much for this.
Also the family seem to talk about Royal Oak Day a lot and the Royal Oak Pub might also have a significance here.
Finally the Kings are a family which members of my family spoke of and I have an old letter which speaks of Mr and Mrs. King being visited by Thomas Rook.

Age of consent - prior thread (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 14 Jan 2011 17:38:23 +0000

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=23597

Marriage Act 1929 (reply)

m p griffiths — Fri, 14 Jan 2011 16:29:38 +0000

Back to earlier forum - Marriage Act 1929

previous to this, females could marry at 12 - males at 14 - with consent of parents

http://www.parliament.uk/about/living-heritage/transformingsociety/private-lives/relati...

My x Grandmother was christened 23 November 1810 and married 3 May 1824

ROOK (reply)

annewilletts — Fri, 14 Jan 2011 16:18:37 +0000

As I understand it from the previous threads, Elizabeth Rook was born about 1798 but married in 1810. This would have made her only 12 at marriage. She does not appear to have had any children until 1814. Is it possible that there is a recording or transcription error here somewhere? Or have I got it all wrong?

Fanny MORGAN nee VAUGHAN born Upper Forge, Lydney (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 14 Jan 2011 16:06:02 +0000

or not in tune with the Vorest tongue....

Fanny Vaughan (m Morgan) born Upper Forge (reply)

annewilletts — Fri, 14 Jan 2011 15:57:34 +0000

The vicar must indeed have been hard of hearing. Vaughan is a single syllable name which sounds remarkably different to Vang-horn!

Fanny Vaughan (m Morgan) born Upper Forge (reply)

annewilletts — Fri, 14 Jan 2011 15:52:22 +0000

From the above thread it would appear that you are right about the 2 Fanny Morgans.

Johnson's is somewhere near Phipps Bottom; if you look up people in Whitecroft on the 1871 census Johnson's is adjacent to Phipps Bottom, I think I recall deciding it was between Phipps Bottom and Pillowell level.

The Surname has NOT been seriously mistranscribed (reply)

grahamdavison — Fri, 14 Jan 2011 15:51:34 +0000

The Surname has NOT been seriously mistranscribed, it is recorded with this spelling in both the parish register and the Bishops Transcripts. It was probably seriously misheard by the Vicar!!

Fanny Vaughan (m Morgan) born Upper Forge (reply)

preest — Fri, 14 Jan 2011 15:15:36 +0000

I too have an interest in Fanny Morgan nee Vaughan as she is my great great great grandmother. Her son Henry also married a Frances (Thomas) at Newnham on 25 August 1867. I think this Fanny Morgan could be the one who died aged 56 in October 1897. I was interested to note that you say Johnsons where she was living with her son-in- law on 1871 census is Phipps Bottom, I wondered where it was.

Fanny MORGAN 1841-1897 Whitecroft (reply)

annewilletts — Fri, 14 Jan 2011 15:14:00 +0000

Thank you for these responses which help to clarify the situation.

Using The Search Form (reply)

m p griffiths — Fri, 14 Jan 2011 12:49:09 +0000

Anne

No - I haven't research this before

Apart from checking the Gloucestershire Baptism Index CD from 1813.

FOD records

I just went through the baptism around that time - if you put the sign % (possibly with V%) in the surname box (this is listed under : Using The Search Form - Search Tips)- with christian name FANNY - this comes up with all the baptisms for that year, or either side plus/minus how ever many years you want to cover.

Fanny Vaughan (m Morgan) born Upper Forge (reply)

annewilletts — Fri, 14 Jan 2011 12:41:05 +0000

Thank you for your very fast response. I presume you had done the research previously!

The key is the seriously mistranscribed surname: I had searched the FoD family history website records with soundex enabled on Vaughan, but to no avail.

ROOK (reply)

m p griffiths — Fri, 14 Jan 2011 11:30:22 +0000

Elizabeth VAUGHAN (nee ROOK, c 1798) born Lydney.

possible ???

There is on FOD records, a Phillis ROOKE who died at Lydney on the 8 March 1843, age 74 c 1769

1841 Census, Lydney

Phills ROOKE - 73 - independent.

Baptism at Littledean, parents Thomas & Phillis ROOK

William 1801
Thomas 1804
John 1806
John 1809

FOD records

Thomas ROOKE (Widower) - this Parish Littledean
married
Phillis WILAGGS - the Parish of Flaxley
by LICENCE

3 September 1800

mark of Thomas WILCES and Mary WILCES