Once again Slowhands has come up trumps.

Thinking outside the box has enabled me to find my GGrandfather on the 1881 census.

With a Kerry in both Montgomeryshire and Ireland it is natural that when transcribing the census in India one would associate Kerry with Ireland although the actual census lists Kerry Montgomeryshire.

Lets hope that future census transcripts are completed by people with better geographical knowledge.

Regards

Tony

Thanks

It looks like Thomas had a habit of marrying widows his first wife (1851 census) being 20 years older than Thomas, had a son John Bevan by a previous marriage.

It looks like his first wife died between 1861 and 1871 I am checking Mike Johns transcripts of Llangattock Vibon Avel for a Anna Morris burial that fits.

On the 1871 census he is married to a Hannah who had brought a son William Jones to the marriage. This marriage is proving difficult to establish. My thoughts are that it took place in Abergavenny about 1865 It is this Hannah that gave him my GGrandmother Mary Ann (Marianne) baptised Llangattock Vibon Avel

My next move is to obtain the death certificate for Hannah.

Your thoughts on a potential death for Thomas would be appreciated.

Many thanks for your help.

Do you still drink Free Miners?

Regards Tony

1851 Llangattock Vibon Avel,
Thomas Morris 36 Newland ( NEWTOWN) Montg
Ann Morris 56 {EWAS HAROLD ?] Her
John Bevan 23 Garaway Her

1861
Thomas Morris abt 1817 Newtown, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Llangattock Vibon Avel, Monmouthshire
Ann Morris abt 1791 Evrysharote, Herefordshire, England Wife Llangattock Vibon Avel, Monmouthshire

1871 Llangattock Vibon Avel,
Thomas Morris 54 Kerry
Annah Morris 43 Llantillo Pertholey
William Jones 9 Llantillo Pertholey
Mary Ann Morris 2 Llangattock VA
John Thomas 83 Llangattock VA

1881
Thomas Morris abt 1817 Kerry, Ireland Head Llanrothall, Herefordshire
Hannah Morris abt 1829 Llantillio Crossenny, Monmouth, Wales Wife Llanrothall, Herefordshire
Mary Ann Morris abt 1869 Llangattoc Vibon Avel, Monmouth, Wales Daughter Llanrothall, Herefordshire
Thomas Jones abt 1872 Monmouth, Monmouth, Wales Grandson Llanrothall, Herefordshire
William Jones abt 1875 Monmouth, Monmouth, Wales Grandson Llanrothall, Herefordshire
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 5229; Folio: 42; Page: 9;

1891
Thomas Morris abt 1817 Newtown, Montgomeryshire, Wales Head Llanrothal, Herefordshire
Hannah Morris abt 1824 Llantillo, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Llanrothal, Herefordshire
Mary Ann Morris abt 1869 Llangattock, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Llanrothal, Herefordshire
Thomas Hubert Morris abt 1891 Llanrothal, Herefordshire, England Grandson Llanrothal, Herefordshire

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1901
James Jenkins abt 1867 West Dean Head West Dean, Monmouthshire
Mary Ann Jenkins abt 1869 West Dean Wife West Dean, Monmouthshire
Francis G Jenkins abt 1897 Llanfanne, Monmouthshire, Wales Son West Dean, Monmouthshire
William J Jenkins abt 1899 Clearwell, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire
Mabel A Jenkins abt 1900 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Monmouthshire

My best info is based on the 1891 census Citation RG12 piece 4341 Folio 52 page 1

Thomas Morris b abt 1817 Newtown Montgomery
Hannah Morris b abt 1824 Llancillio
Mary Ann (My GGrandmother) b abt 1869 Llangattock
1901 census ref RG13 4922 Mary Ann indicates that she was born in Llanfauner
Thomas Hubert Morris b 1891

Thomas Hubert died 1898 in Clearwell, after my GGrandmother married James William Jenkins at Monmouth in 1895.

Mary Ann was baptised on 3 May 1869 at Llangattock Vibon Avel parents Thomas and Hannah Morris lab of Chapel farm

Hannah died in the second qtr of 1900 Monmouth. I can find no death for Thomas.

I believe Mary Ann worked as a cook for the Payne family at Lambsquay house between 1892 and 1895

Kind Regards

Tony

1851
Thomas Morris abt 1822 Kerry, Montgomeryshire, Wales Servant Llanmerewig, Montgomeryshire

1861
Thomas Morris abt 1824 Kerry, Montgomeryshire, Wales Head Trwstllewelyn, Montgomeryshire
Ann Morris abt 1821 Llanwnog, Montgomeryshire, Wales Wife Trwstllewelyn, Montgomeryshire
Richard Morris abt 1859 Montgomery, Montgomeryshire, Wales Son Trwstllewelyn, Montgomeryshire

1871 Berriew and Keel
Thomas Morris 49 labourer
Ann Morris 50
Richard Morris 12 Nephew

1881
Thomas Morris abt 1822 Kerry, Ireland Head Berriew, Montgomeryshire
Ann Morris abt 1822 Llanonyog, Montgomeryshire, Wales Wife Berriew, Montgomeryshire
Ann Evans abt 1799 Llanonyog, Montgomeryshire, Wales Mother in Law Berriew, Montgomeryshire
Richard Morris abt 1859 Llandysil, Montgomeryshire, Wales Nephew Berriew, Montgomeryshire

Thomas was born in Kerry Montgomery abt 1824. He married Hannah Jones abt 1858 Hannah was born abt 1827 in Llancillio. Hannah died in 1900 Monmouth.

I believe both Thomas and Hannah were married previously.

My GGrandmother Mary Ann Morris was born in Llanfauner abt 1874

I have found a record for Thomas and Hannah Morris in Licking Newark Ohio (1880) both born Wales (dates fit)no Mary Ann Morris

Can anyone advise on how I can research my theory that Thomas and Hannah went to America but returned to live in Herefordshire abt 1890.

Kind Regards

Tony Jenkins