Forest of Dean FHT Forum - HARPER/YEMM (?)

HARPER/YEMM (?) (reply)

m p griffiths — Sat, 19 Feb 2011 18:37:11 +0000

1841 Census, St Briavels

William HARPER - Farmer - 24
Lucy HARPER - 20

HARPER/YEMM (?) (reply)

zedken — Sat, 19 Feb 2011 18:04:43 +0000

Thanks for this insight to Lucy Yemm. Yes I think William Harper married Lucy Yemm in 1839. They had a child Mary Ann Harper Oct-Dec 1843. Lucy dies 1844 and William remarries to Elizabeth Penn in 1846.

I think Mary Ann Harper dies in Feb 1872, Ruardean as there are no marriages that fit for her and there are no mentions of her in census data.

Thank you for straigtening me out on that topic.

Edwin HARPER 1838 Blaenavon / Varteg ? Monmouthshire (reply)

zedken — Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:10:51 +0000

Its starting to make some sense now as a result of your help. Edwin's mother Mary Ann Brace must have died in 1839 when Edwin was 1 year old. He then went to live with his grandparents John and Ann Harper and when they died he went on to board with his uncle William Harper (1814-1895) and wife Elizabeth Penn (1819?) because his father John Harper ( 1802-1850) had died in 1850 leaving him no parents at the age of 12 years. Thank you for helping me piece this together.

HARPER/YEMM (?) (reply)

zedken — Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:14:27 +0000

Thanks for the reply. Harper / Yemm is something I haven't come accross before. William Harper is Edwin Harper's uncle, son of John Harper (1778-1847) and Ann Davis (1779-1853).

William Harper married Elizabeth Penn (1819-?) in Clifton, Gloc., July 1838.

William marring YEMM is something I will look into and try to piece together to see where it fits.

William HARPER 1814 ish Ruardean (reply)

zedken — Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:56:57 +0000

Thanks for the replies. William Harper is Edwin Harper's uncle ( son of John Harper 1778-1847 ) and Ann Davis ( 1779-1853 ). Edwin stayed with William in the 1861 Census.

Edwin is a bit of a mystery as there is very little data on him. Edwin had two older brothers, Thomas and James Martin Harper of which there is data about but not Edwin. I'm sure I will get some valuable clues to my search on this forum.

Edwin HARPER born 1838 Monmouthshire (reply)

grahamdavison — Sat, 19 Feb 2011 10:31:01 +0000

My wife is descended from Richard Harper son of John and Ann Davis who was baptised in Ruardean in 1808. I have traced the family back to the marriage Joseph Harper and Mary Morse at Walford in 1733, but there is no trace of Joseph Harper before that date. Write to me offline if you would like more information.

Mary Ann HARPER - burial -sisters mgs. LINLEY/READ/BENNETT (reply)

m p griffiths — Sat, 19 Feb 2011 08:36:50 +0000

although Mary Ann HARPER is on the 1871 census unmarried age 27 with her parents and siblings

FOD records

Burial at Ruardean - 18 February 1872

Mary Ann HARPER, age 29

by 1881 Census,

Ruardean, the Street

Elizabeth HARPER, widow age 65 - Laundress
William HARPER, Grandson, age 10 - son of Jane HARPER, christened 9 July 1871, Ruardean ***

next to

Susan PENN age 88 and her family

Mary Ann HARPER's two sister's wedding on FOD

Jane HARPER, married Henry BROWN READ - 27 June 1874, - witnesses: Thomas PENN & Annie JONES,- Cinderford St John

1881 Census, Ruardean
Petty Croft

HENRY READ - age 36 - born Woodside, Glos
Jane - 32 - born Ruardean
Henry - 6 -
Selian - 3 - born Woodside
Leonard - 7 months, born Ruardean

Elizabeth HARPER, married John LINLEY, 13 March 1875, witnesses: Hernery & James REID, - Ruardean

*** William HARPER, son of Jane HARPER, is living next door to Henry & Jane READ on the 1891 census, at Glos. Ruardean with his wife Catherine age 20 - born Woodside, and daughter Lillian age 7 months, born Petty Croft

http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/

William John Henry HARPER married Catherine Mary MERRICK, 1890 Forest of Dean, Westbury on Severn Register Office

1881 Census, Ruardean

Toll Gate
Street

John LINLEY - age 26, Carpenter & Joiner, born Coleford
Elizabeth - 27 - born Ruardean
Walter J B - 4
William H - 2

Gloucestershire BDM

Frederick BENNETT, married Annie HARPER, - Forest of Dean Register Office 1874

1901 Census, Glos
Reddings

Frederick BENNETT - 48
Annie HARPER - 46
Frederick - 21
Louis - 13
Burnel - 11 - born USA
Louisa - 9
Ernest - 4

1881 Census, Westbury on Severn, East Dean
High Street

BENNETT

- Head, absent in America
Annie BENNETT - 26 - born Ruardean
Ernest - 7
Frederick - 2
Emily M - 1 month

Jonathan HARPER 1806 - 1886 Ruardean (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 19 Feb 2011 07:30:38 +0000

Year: 1835
Month: Oct
Day: 4
Grooms_Surname: HARPER
Grooms_Forenames: Jonathan
Grooms_Age: [not stated]
Groom_Condition: [not stated]
Grooms_Occupation: [not stated]
Grooms_Residence: Forest of Dean
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Surname: JONES
Brides_Forenames: Dinah
Brides_Age: [not stated]
Brides_Condition: [not stated]
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Forest of Dean
Brides_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He marks she signs
Witness_1: Mark of Ann Mountjoy
Witness_2: Joseph Jones
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: J. H. Malpas Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: with Consent of Parents
Notes:
Register_Reference: P30 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 85
Parish_Chapel: Awre

1841
Jonathan Harper abt 1811 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Dina Harper abt 1816 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
John Harper abt 1837 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Ann Harper abt 1838 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

1851
Johnathan Harper abt 1805 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Dina Harper abt 1812 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
John Harper abt 1837 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Harper abt 1838 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah Harper abt 1846 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Harriott Harper abt 1849 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

1861
Jonathan Harper abt 1808 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Dinah Harper abt 1812 Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Harper abt 1852 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizth Harper J abt 1854 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
John Dean abt 1813 Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England Boarder East Dean, Gloucestershire

1871
Jonathan Harfur 64
Dinah Harfur 59
Frank Rodger 26
Headley Rodger 16
John Longton 20
George Ryland 30

1881
Thos. Crump abt 1846 Weston Head Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizth. Crump abt 1850 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
John Crump abt 1872 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Tom Crump abt 1873 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizth. Crump abt 1875 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emily Crump abt 1877 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Crump abt 1879 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
George Crump East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
John Harper abt 1807 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Father in Law Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire

Name: Jonathan Harper
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1807
Year of Registration: 1886
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 79
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 177

William HARPER 1814 ish Ruardean (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 19 Feb 2011 07:08:44 +0000

Edwin's uncle ?

Year: 1815
Month: Nov
Day: 2
Parents_Surname: HARPER
Child_Forenames: William
Fathers_Forenames: John Edwin's grandparents ?
Mothers_Forenames: Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Ruerdean [Ruardean]
Occupation: Weaver
Officiating_Minister: T. D. Fosbrooke Min[iste]r
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: son of
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 16
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean

Edwin HARPER 1838 Blaenavon / Varteg ? Monmouthshire (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 18 Feb 2011 17:25:44 +0000

Year: 1778
Month: Mar
Day: 29
Parents_Surname: HARPER
Child_Forenames: John
Fathers_Forenames: Joseph
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: John COPNER
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 47
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean

Year: 1779
Month: May
Day: 9
Parents_Surname: DAVIS
Child_Forenames: Ann
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: J H BEESTON - minister
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 52
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean

Year: 1802
Month: Apr
Day: 8
Grooms_Surname: HARPER
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Ruardean
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: DAVIS
Brides_Forenames: Ann
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Ruardean
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Licence
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: both signed
Witness_1: Elizabeth BENNETT
Witness_2: John BENNETT
Other_Witnesses: Joseph HARPER
Officiating_Minister: J H BEESTON - minister
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 60
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean

Offspring
1802 HARPER John John Ann Ruardean
1805 HARPER Joseph John Ann Ruardean
1806 HARPER Jonathan John Ann Ruardean
1808 HARPER Richard John Ann Ruardean
1810 HARPER Elizabeth John Ann Ruardean
1812 HARPER Mary John Ann Ruardean
1815 HARPER William John Ann Ruerdean [Ruardean] Weaver Ruardean
1818 HARPER James John Ann Ruerdean [Ruardean] Weaver Ruardean

grandson - Edwin ?

Year: 1832
Month: Aug
Day: 4
Grooms_Surname: HARPER
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Glos St Nicholas
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: BRACE
Brides_Forenames: Mary Ann
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Glos St Nicholas
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: James Wheeler
Witness_2: Mary Wheeler
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: J Davies incumbent
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P154/15 IN 1/13
Page_Number: 11
Parish_Chapel: Gloucester St Nicholas

Name: Edwin Harper
Year of Registration: 1838
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Pontypool
County: Gwent, Monmouthshire
Volume: 26
Page: 116

death of mother ?
Name: Mary Ann Harper
Year of Registration: 1839
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Pontypool
County: Gwent, Monmouthshire
Volume: 26
Page: _7

Year: 1840
Month: Jan
Day: 6
Parents_Surname: HARPER
Child_Forenames: Edwin
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Mary Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Ruardean
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: W Helps
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: son of
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 111
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean

1841
John Harper abt 1778 Gloucestershire, England Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Ann Harper abt 1779 Gloucestershire, England Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Thos Harper abt 1834 Ruardean, Gloucestershire
James Harper abt 1836 Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Edwin Harper abt 1838 Ruardean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1847
Month: Mar
Day: 19
Surname: HARPER
Forenames: John
Residence: Ruardean
Age_at_death: years 69
Officiating_Minister: Edward Mansfield
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/12
Page_No: 118
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean

1851
Ann Harper abt 1778 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Head Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Edwin Harper abt 1837 Doyeliett, Monmouthshire, Wales Grandson Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Ann H Bradley abt 1837 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Granddaughter Ruardean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1853
Month: Jun
Day: 30
Surname: HARPER
Forenames: Ann
Residence: Ruardean
Age_at_death: y[ea]rs 74
Officiating_Minister: William Penfold
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/12
Page_No: 138
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean

1861
William Harper abt 1813 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Head Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Harper abt 1819 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Mary Harper abt 1844 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Jane Harper abt 1850 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Harper abt 1854 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Ann Harper abt 1857 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Edwin Harper abt 1839 Monmouthshire NK , Wales Boarder Ruardean, Gloucestershire

HARPER/YEMM (?) (reply)

m p griffiths — Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:45:49 +0000

Mary Matilda HARPER's birth is Registered for J/F/M Qtr 1862 Ross District - minus 9 months!!

FOD records - baptism at Ross on Wye - 12 January 1864

Mary Matilda HARPER
mothers Forenames: Mary
fathers Forenames: not stated

Residence: Dock

1871 Census, Ruardean,
High Street
(next to the Bell Hotel and between Church House)

HARPER

William - 57 - Coalminer, all born Ruardean
Elizabeth - 55
Mary - unmarried age 27
Jane - 21
Bessie - 18
Annie - 14

1861 Census taken 7 April 1861

1861 Census, Ruardean
HARPER

William - 48 - Coalminer, born Ruardean
Elizabeth - 42
Mary - 17
Jane - 11
Elizabeth - 7
Ann - 4
Edwin HARPER, Boarder, unmarried age 22 Coal Miner, born Monmouth N.K.

1851 Census, Ruardean

HARPER

William - 35 - Collier, born Ruardean
Elizabeth - 32
Mary - 8 - born East Dean
Jane - 11 months, born Ruardean

(gap in children's ages)

FreeBDM

Mary Ann HARPER, birth O/N/D Qtr 1843 (Ross District)

can see baptism of William & Elizabeth HARPER's children on FOD, but not Mary c1843

???

There is a marriage on FOD records at Walford, 25 February 1839

William HARPER - age 23, Collier, residence, Walford
fathher: John HARPER, Collier to
Lucy YEMM - age 19, Spinster, residence, Ruerdean
father: Richard YEMM

and a christening at Ruardean 14 April 1850 - of Mary Anne HARPER, parents William (Collier) & Lucy HARPER

(did Lucy die - and Mary Anne christened later on?)

There is a death of a Lucy HARPER - Ruardean 14 December 1844, but the age is 39

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FOD records: Marriage at Ruardean - 24 October 1846

William HARPER, of full age, Widower, Collier - residence Ruardean
father: John HARPER, Weaver
married
Elizabeth PENN, Spinster - residence Ruardean
father: John PENN, Butcher,

mark of Jane MANNINGS & John PENN

Jane PENN married Timothy MANNINGS at Ruardean 3 October 1846

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1881 Census, London, Streatham (60 Ramsden Road)

Mary M HARPER, Servant, unmarried age 19, General Servant, born Hereford, Holmer

at the home of Lewis Sebastian age 63, Superannunated Officer of the London & St Kath & Docksby? born Brazil Rio de Janeiro, British Subject
and wife Mary age 70, born Somerset Road, + Helen their daughter age 27, born Middx. St Marylebone,

Ramsden Road, still there today.

Google Maps : http://maps.google.co.uk/

use the walking man to view street

From your tree on Ancestry: Mary married William James BURTON, 12 May 1887 at St Peter's Hereford and died in
Virden, Manitoba.

Edwin HARPER born 1838 Monmouthshire

zedken — Fri, 18 Feb 2011 15:04:48 +0000

Edwin Harper was born April 8, 1838 in Monmouthshire, Wales, parents were John Harper (1802-1850 Ruardean) and Mary Ann Brace(?). Edwin's spouse was Mary Ann (last name UNKNOWN). Edwin had a child Mary Matilda Harper born Dec 29, 1862 Ross on Wye.

I am trying to find Edwin Harper's death and also his wife's maiden name. The Harper family all lived in the Ruardean area.

Any information would be appreciated.