Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Emma Gwilliam b1872 (1880 US Census)

Emma Gwilliam b1872 (1880 US Census) (reply)

MPGriffiths — Thu, 31 Jan 2019 16:55:22 +0000

I think this is John WILLIAMS again at Joyford Hill on the 1861 census (Elizabeth, called Betsy)

1861 Census, West Dean Joyford Hill

WILLIAMS

John - 46 - Coal Miner, born St Briavels, Coal Miner Iron - LOCAL PREACHER METHODIST
Betsy - 42 - born Newland
Harriet - 16
Benjamin - 9 (Mother's maiden name JONES - (GlosBDM)
John

and the 1841 census - Joyford

John WILLIAMS - Coal Miner - 30
Elizabeth - 25
Emma - 1

This is the 1871 Census, West Dean,
Nine Wells

James GWILLIAM - 45 - Coal Miner
Harriet - 28
Lucy A -2

next door

John WILLIAMS -52 - born St briavels
Elizabeth - 54 - born West Dean
John - 15
Jane JONES, Niece, 11 - born St Briavels

Emma Gwilliam b1872 (1880 US Census) (reply)

shepway — Thu, 31 Jan 2019 16:23:47 +0000

First of all my thanks to MPGriffiths for her contribution to this thread and as she has already indicated Emma's father was George Gwilliam who married Eliza Williams at a Register Office in early 1860. I will send for a copy of this for the detail.
George was the son of George Gwilliam who married Elizabeth Adams on 24 May 1834 at Newland Parish Church. Details in Parish Records on this website.
George Senior was killed in an accident at the Bush Pit on 10 February 1851 and there is a memorial at Christchurch Churchyard of which this is a transcript:
"In/Memory of/ George Gwilliam/ died Feb 10 1851/ aged 42 years/ Also of Elizabeth his wife/ died April 9 1869/ aged 58 years/ Also of their children/ Mary Ann/ died March 15 1841/ aged 3 years/ Catherine/ died March 1844/ aged 4 months Edwin / died Oct 10 1855/ aged 3 years"
There were 8 children from the marriage 2 of whom emigrated to the USA. George the oldest son with his wife and 3 children and a cousin Timothy. Details as follows:

Emigrated to Pennsylvania. Sailed on City of Manchester from Liverpool to New York arriving 19 April 1870
GUILLIAM GEORGE 35 M 19 Apr 1870
GUILLIAM GEORGE 2 M 19 Apr 1870
GUILLIAM SHADWICK 9 M 19 Apr 1870
GUILLIAM ELIZA 28 F 19 Apr 1870
GUILLIAM ELIZA 1 F 19 Apr 1870
GUILLIAM TIMOTHY 27 M 19 Apr 1870

His brother Thomas emigrated earlier (date not known) and married Eleanor (known as Nellie) Adams as follows:
Name: Thomas Gwillian
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Oct 1870
Event Place: English Evangelical Luthern Church Baltimore, Baltimore, Maryland, United States
Gender: Male
Spouse's Name: Nellie Adams
Spouse's Gender: Female

There is a photograph of Thomas and Nellie on this website, the last photo on this webpage: https://forest-of-dean.net/joomla/index.php/christchurch
(There is a correction to be added to the information accompanying the photo - Nellie was born in the UK)

Both Thomas and Nellie died in Baltimore - Thomas on 6 February 1920 and Nellie 13 January 1926.

I have 7 children listed for George and Eliza:
Shadrach born 1860 in Forest of Dean (Shadrach is sometimes listed as Shadwick or Shad)
George born 1867 in Forest of Dean
Eliza born c1868 in Forest of Dean
Emma born c1872 in Pennsylvania
Eliza born c1874 in Pennsylvania
Annie born c1877 in Pennsylvania
John born c1880 in Pennsylvania.

You will find George in the 1900 Census at Anne Arundel County, Maryland with his daughter, Eliza and Son in law:

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Birth place
George F Boswell Self Married Male 35 1865 Maryland
Eliza Boswell Wife Married Female 26 1874 Pennsylvania
Edith H Boswell Daughter - Female 2 1898 Maryland
George Gwilliam F in law Widowed Male 65 1835 England

Finally if you could make yourself email contactable by accessing your Profile and ticking the appropriate box I will contact you off list as we have common ancestry.

Mike

Emma Gwilliam b1872 (1880 US Census) (reply)

MPGriffiths — Thu, 31 Jan 2019 16:18:48 +0000

Looking for an Eliza WILLIAMS c 1843/43 and family names - think this is a possibility

1851 Census, West Dean
Joyford Hill

WILLIAMS

John - 24 - laborer - born St Briavels (family name)
Elizabeth - 30
Emma - 11 (family name)
Eliza - 9
Harriet - 5
Shadrach - 2 (family name) (GRO, mother's maiden name: JONES)

Emma Gwilliam b1872 (1880 US Census) (reply)

Jefff — Thu, 31 Jan 2019 15:56:16 +0000

Hi M,
I'd hoped to be able to help out with the U.S. Census info, as in the past I've found them available free-of-charge on the American FamilySearch website. However to my surprise, and despite thorough searching for various members of the Gwilliam family, and using various spellings of their surname including Gwellian, I can't seem to find them on FamilySearch at all !. I presume that site doesn't have this particular Census ?.

The only record I can find that MAY be relevant is the September 1918 U.S. Army Draft Registration card for a William George Gwilliam, aged 41, born April 10th 1877 and a "native born US citizen". His "nearest relative" is given as Sarah Gwilliam, presumably his wife. He is a "Mill worker" at the "Superior Mill, Ale, Pa."
Ale, Pa = Allegheny County, as per your findings. The county seat is Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

The Superior Mill was a steel mill in a small borough of Pittsburgh named after Scotland's Andrew Carnegie who was a major player in Pittsburgh becoming one of America's major heavy industrial regions, especially for iron & steel-making. Also key to the town's early success were the immigrant iron workers who arrived in the 1830s from Merthyr Tydfil after the violent rising of that time in response to that area's depressed iron industry. The Wikipedia entry suggests they were demonstrating against Merthyr's major ironmaster William Crawshay II (a well-known family name in the Forest of course), but in fact like many local employer's he'd supported their campaign for Reforms.

Nowadays the Superior brand-name still survives, but the industry is much-depressed as part of the so-called "Rust Belt". The old Superior Mill itself is now considered something of a wasteland as a result of it hot-rolling large amounts of uranium strip and slabs in the 1950s.

Here's images of the actual Draft card.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-91N1-1HQ?i=752&cc=1968530

Hope this is of some interest.
J.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnegie,_Pennsylvania
http://projects.wsj.com/waste-lands/site/445-superior-steel-co/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merthyr_Rising
http://www.angelfire.com/ga/BobSanders/MTRISING.html

Emma Gwilliam b1872 (1880 US Census) (reply)

MPGriffiths — Thu, 31 Jan 2019 11:28:21 +0000

Ancestry, spelt as GWELLIAN

George - 45
Eliza - 37
Shadwick - 19
George - 12
Elizabeth - 10 (all born England
Emma - (all born Penns)
Eliza - 5
Annie - 3
John 3/12

Use the Gloucestershirebdm - to obtain the births and middle names of the children - GWILLIAM, mother's maiden name WILLIAMS

GWILLIAM - mother's maiden name: WILLIAMS

Shadrach - 1860, Forest of Dean, Monmouth, Coleford
Elizabeth - 1865 (death registration: aged 2, 1868, Monmouth Coleford**) - another Elizabeth registered in 1869
George Benjamin - 1867, ditto

Forest of Dean Records, burial at Christchurch - 3 March 1868

Elizabeth GWILLIAM aged 2 years and 4 months

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Ancestry - but can't open - don't have a World Wide Sub

1870 Alleg, Pens

GWILLIAM

Geo - c1835
Eliza - c 1842
S - c 1861
Geo - 1868
Eliza - 1869

Emma Gwilliam b1872 (reply)

MPGriffiths — Thu, 31 Jan 2019 11:26:19 +0000

Just to recap from previous replies

George GWILLIAM married Eliza WILLIAMS - Forest of Dean Monmouth Register Office 1860

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If you don't already have this marriage certificate .... Look under the headings: Help - FAQ (Getting Started) - and click on Gloucestershire BMD Index - (can't seem to do a direct link).

Look up the marriage - and you can order a certificate (or from the General Register Office)

1861 Census, West Dean, Shortstanding

GWILLIAM

George - 26 Coal Miner
Eliza 19-19
Shadrack - 6 months

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For the benefit of other contributors - will add the 1880 United States Federal Census

? (baptisms records on this website)

1841 Census, Christchurch, Dean Forest, Ross

GWILLIAM

George - 30
Elizabeth - 30
George - 6
James - 4
Mary - 1

next door

GWILLIAM

Catherine - 70
Timothy - 30
Eliza - 20
Mira - 1

Emma Gwilliam b1872 (reply)

Paul Hawkins — Thu, 31 Jan 2019 08:45:59 +0000

Hello! My great-grandparents were Joseph F. Hawkins and Emma Gwilliam, who I believe were married on July 31, 1892 in Baltimore, Maryland, but who moved to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania sometime around 1901-1903. I believe this was the same Emma Gwilliam, who I believe was born on June 20, 1872 in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. I would be happy to receive any information about Emma Gwilliam and her family.

Pte Fred GWILLIAM, parents Benjamin & Sarah - cont'd (reply)

Jefff — Thu, 01 Jan 2015 18:33:44 +0000

Thanks for your posting Mike and clarifying things, that's some good work by you and David !

Oddly enough the very first hit I found off this website, from the suggested 1888 birth date, was for an Alfred, yet the Medal seller seemed to have done his research so I didn't want to discount his beliefs. I did try to research the Military records on Ancestry but there were so many possibilities, hence my limited post. It didnt help me that even when searching his Army number I struggled to find the correct Medal Card on Ancestry.

Judging by the amount of Freds and Alfreds within the family, I'm a little surprised Alfred Oliver was known as Fred, rather than say Oliver, but not for me to query of course.
Main thing is the truth has come out, whuich us really great, and I do hope it's been of help. I only found the photo while "googling" the name, fancy you being the cameraman Mike !

Happy New Year to all Vurristers and Vurrinners by the way !

Pte Fred GWILLIAM, parents Benjamin & Sarah - cont'd (reply)

shepway — Thu, 01 Jan 2015 16:28:22 +0000

Since Jefff’s posting and thanks to some research by David Drinkwater we have been able to establish that this Fred Gwilliam is in fact Alfred Oliver Gwilliam son of Oliver and Elizabeth Ann nee Powell. Thankfully his Attestation form which clearly gives his Service Number and also informs us of his next of kin is available on Ancestry and enabled us to provide a good match.

Alfred Oliver, who died in 1972, was a first cousin to my father and I was behind the camera that took the photograph that Jeff refers to. I just wish I knew then what I know now.

Mike

Pte Fred GWILLIAM, parents Benjamin & Sarah - cont'd (reply)

Jefff — Wed, 31 Dec 2014 22:51:20 +0000

From Ancestry the Census's for Frederick GWILLIAM and family are as follows;

1911 Census, six room residence at Short Standing, Coleford;

Name Relation to Head Birth Date Age Gender Marital Status Occupation Birth City Birth County Birth Country
Benjamin Guilliam Head 1842 69 Male Married 35yrs Late Haulier Christchurch Gloucestershire England
Sarah Guilliam Wife 1846 65 Female Married 35yrs Tetbury Gloucester England
Ben Guilliam Son 1878 33 Male Single Labourer (general) Christ Church Coleford Gloucestershire England
Henry Guilliam Son 1885 26 Male Single Christ Church Coleford Gloucestershire England
Frederick Guilliam Son 1888 23 Male Single Carpenter(Government) Christ Church Coleford Gloucestershire England

1901 Census, Drybrook;

Household Number Name Relation to Head Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth Place
Benjamin Gwilliam Head 58 1843 Male West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Sarah Gwilliam Wife 55 1846 Female West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Benjamin Gwilliam Son 23 1878 Male West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Thomas Gwilliam Son 21 1880 Male West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Henry Gwilliam Son 16 1885 Male West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Frederick Gwilliam Son 13 1888 Male West Dean, Gloucestershire, England

1891 Census, residence nr the New Inn, Short Standing #

Given Name Surname Relationship Gender Age Estimated Birth Year Birth City or District Birth County Birth Country
Benjamin Gwilliam Head Male 48 1843 Coal Haulier West Dean Gloucestershire England
Sarah Gwilliam Wife Female 45 1846 Sedbury Gloucestershire England
Benjamin Gwilliam Son Male 13 1878 West Dean Gloucestershire England
Thomas Gwilliam Son Male 11 1880 West Dean Gloucestershire England
Harry Gwilliam Son Male 6 1885 West Dean Gloucestershire England
Fred Gwilliam Son Male 3 1888 West Dean Gloucestershire England

Fred's father Benjamin b1842 may be traced back thro the Census' to the 1851 Christchurch Census posted by MPG earlier in this thread, with his mother Elizabeth and his siblings.
eg

1881 Shortstanding;

Gender Occupation Birth City Birth County Birth Country
Given Name Surname Relationship to Head Marital Status Age Estimated Birth Year
Benjmn. Gwilliam Head Married 39 1842 Male Coal Miner Shortstanding Gloucestershire England
Sarah Gwilliam Wife Married 35 1846 Female Tetbury Gloucestershire England
Benjamin Gwilliam Son 3 1878 Male Shortstanding Gloucestershire England
Thomas Gwilliam Son 1 1880 Male Shortstanding Gloucestershire England
Fanny Gwilliam Daughter Female Shortstanding Gloucestershire England
Eliza Morgan Visitor Sister In Law 21 1860 Female Top Lonk Gloucestershire England

Next door but one are;

James Gwilliam Head Married 44 1837 Male Coal Miner West Dean Gloucestershire England
Jane Gwilliam Wife Married 43 1838 Female West Dean Gloucestershire England
James Gwilliam Son 13 1868 Male West Dean Gloucestershire England
Benjamin Gwilliam Son 11 1870 Male Schoolar West Dean Gloucestershire England
Joseph Jones Nephew 4 1877 Male Joyford West Dean Gloucestershire England

1871 Short Standing, Christ Church;
Household schedule number Given Name Surname Relationship Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth City Birth County Birth Country
James Gwilliam Head 34 1837 Male Iron ore miner West Dean Gloucestershire England
Elizabeth Gwilliam Wife 30 1841 Female Stapleton Gloucestershire England
Lydia Gwilliam Daughter 5 1866 Female West Dean Gloucestershire England
James Gwilliam Son 3 1868 Male West Dean Gloucestershire England
Benjamin Gwilliam Son 1 1870 Male West Dean Gloucestershire England
Benjamin Gwilliam Brother 29 1842 Male West Dean Gloucestershire England

1861 Christchurch;
Given Name Surname Relationship Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth City Birth County Birth Country
Elizth Gwilliam Head 50 1811 Female West Dean Gloucestershire England
James Gwilliam Son 24 1837 Male West Dean Gloucestershire England
Benjamin Gwilliam Son 19 1842 Male West Dean Gloucestershire England
Elizabeth Gwilliam Daughter 14 1847 Female West Dean Gloucestershire England

Next door are;
Given Name Surname Relationship Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth City Birth County Birth Country
Timothy Gwilliam Head 46 1815 Male West Dean Gloucestershire England
Mira Gwilliam Daughter 20 1841 Female West Dean Gloucestershire England
Timothy Gwilliam Son 18 1843 Male West Dean Gloucestershire England
Milson Gwilliam Son 16 1845 Male West Dean Gloucestershire England
Alfred Gwilliam Son 13 1848 Male West Dean Gloucestershire England
Hannah Gwilliam Daughter 9 1852 Female West Dean Gloucestershire England
James Gwilliam Son 7 1854 Male West Dean Gloucestershire England

# Ref the New Inn, this photo in the pub from the 60s includes a younger Fred Gwilliam, plus two older Gwilliams, Alfred-Oliver and Albert.
http://www.forest-of-dean.net/gallery/berryhill/pages/page_38.html

Record_ID: 6275
Entry_Number: 560
Year: 1895
Month: Jul
Day: 14
Parents_Surname: GWILLIAM
Child_Forenames: Alfred Oliver
Fathers_Forenames: Oliver
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Shortstanding
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: C. Barnes
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born June 24th
Notes: No birth year recorded
Register_Reference: P82 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 70
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch
Soundex: G450

Pte Fred GWILLIAM - WW1 soldier Glosters (reply)

Jefff — Wed, 31 Dec 2014 22:05:23 +0000

I've just belatedly spotted a WW1 War Medal on a wellknown auction site, listed by a Gloucester gentleman.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/381099434839?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK...

The medal was awarded to Pte Fred Gwilliam Service Number 12976 of the 9th (Service Battalion) Glosters. I found this auction while browsing for general "Dean Forest" items, I've no connections to the Gwilliam family and will not be bidding. I've mentioned this apparently reputable seller (Richards) in the past, selling Medals from the Goode family of Mitcheldean.
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=43908

I hope this post might be seen by ancestors of Fred Gwilliam and, personal financial circumstances permitting, I'm a great believer that such items should be with the family rather than collectors if possible. Please be assured I am not the seller and have no connection with him whatsoever.

For an indication of Fred 12976's WW1 Service see http://www.wartimememoriesproject.com/greatwar/allied/gloucestershirergt9-gw.php
http://www.glosters.org.uk/collectionitem.php?id=7350&from=1914&to=1919&cat...
http://www.remembering.org.uk/glosregtofficers/glos_regt_offrs_orbat.htm

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There are three entries for "F.Gwilliam"s within this website's WW1 Soldier Database, all in the Coleford area, I'm not 100% certain which applies to Fred 12976, perhaps this one ?

Record_ID: 2053
Year: _
Surname: GWILLIAM
Forename: Fred
Rank: _
Regiment: _
Service_Number: _
Residence: Berry Hill
Notes_1: Enlisted 07_October_1914 _ _
Notes_2: _
Newspaper: _
Date_Published: _
Image: _
Soundex: G450

As in the past the medal's seller has helpfully provided some research & believes Fred 12976 was born abt 1888 to Benjamin & Sarah of Shortstanding, Coleford, the auction pages refers to the 1891 Census. I'm not certain he's correct as this website's PRs show a few possibilities including Alfreds etc, perhaps he's selling the medal on behalf of Fred's descendants ?. Assuming he is correct, then;

From this site;
Record_ID: 6151
Entry_Number: 439
Year: 1891
Month: Mar
Day: 25
Parents_Surname: GWILLIAM
Child_Forenames: Frederick
Fathers_Forenames: Benjamin
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Short Standing
Occupation: Haulier
Officiating_Minister: C. Barnes Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born March 22 1888
Notes:
Register_Reference: P82 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 55
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch
Soundex: G450

Happily Fred survived the War;

Record_ID: 82024
Entry_Number: 18
Year: 1918
Month: Nov
Day: 30
Grooms_Surname: GWILLIAM
Grooms_Forenames: Frederick
Grooms_Age: 30
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Carpenter
Grooms_Residence: Shortstanding
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Gwilliam
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Benjamin
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: deceased
Brides_Surname: HERBERT
Brides_Forenames: Francis Laura
Brides_Age: 20
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Lane End
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Herbert
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Walter John
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Engineer
Licence_or_Banns: Licence
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Sign
Witness_1: Sydney Potter
Witness_2: Ada Dora Herbert
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: C Barnes
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P52 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 9
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch
Soundex_Groom: G450
Soundex_Bride: H616

Witness Sidney Potter looks like the Great Uncle of author Dennis Potter as per this thread. Like Fred Gwilliam, Sidney was born abt 1888, so possibly a mate since childhood.
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=4664

Sadly Fred didn't live to celebrate the end of WW2;
Record_ID: 248024
Entry_Number: 70
Year: 1940
Month: Jul
Day: 20
Surname: GWILLIAM
Forenames: Frederick
Residence: Christchurch Glos
Age_at_death: 52 years
Officiating_Minister: Wyndham Jones vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: new church yard 29 3rd row
Notes:
Register_Reference: P82 IN 1/17
Page_No: 9
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch
Soundex: G450

His wife Frances;
Record_ID: 12138
Entry_Number: 492
Year: 1898
Month: Mar
Day: 23
Parents_Surname: HERBERT
Child_Forenames: Frances Laura
Fathers_Forenames: Walter John
Mothers_Forenames: Caroline Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Broadwell Lane End
Occupation: Engine Driver
Officiating_Minister: E H Brice
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P93 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 63
Parish_Chapel: Coleford
Soundex: H616

I cannot find her death on any site, perhaps she married again ??

Fred's family;
Record_ID: 332435
Entry_Number: 291
Year: 1919
Month: Mar
Day: 23
Parents_Surname: GWILLIAM
Child_Forenames: Frances Elizabeth
Fathers_Forenames: Frederick
Mothers_Forenames: Frances Laura
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Hillers Land
Occupation: Carpenter
Officiating_Minister: C Barnes
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born Feb 21 1919
Notes:
Register_Reference: P82 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 37
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch
Soundex: G450

Record_ID: 1003144
Entry_Number: 326
Year: 1920
Month: Dec
Day: 5
Parents_Surname: GWILLIAM
Child_Forenames: Brenda Dora
Fathers_Forenames: Frederick
Mothers_Forenames: Frances Laura
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Short Standing
Occupation: Carpenter
Officiating_Minister: C Barnes
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born Nov 2 1920
Notes:
Register_Reference: P82 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 41
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch
Soundex: G450

Record_ID: 1058505
Entry_Number: 271
Year: 1923
Month: May
Day: 3
Parents_Surname: GWILLIAM
Child_Forenames: Dulice Mary
Fathers_Forenames: Frederick
Mothers_Forenames: Frances Laura
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Broadwell Lane End
Occupation: Carpenter
Officiating_Minister: E S Morton
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P93/1 IN 1/10
Page_Number: 34
Parish_Chapel: Coleford
Soundex: G450

Record_ID: 1060022
Entry_Number: 450
Year: 1925
Month: Apr
Day: 9
Parents_Surname: GWILLIAM
Child_Forenames: Gordon Frederick
Fathers_Forenames: Frederick
Mothers_Forenames: Frances Laura
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Barnhill
Occupation: Carpenter
Officiating_Minister: E H Brice
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P93/1 IN 1/10
Page_Number: 57
Parish_Chapel: Coleford
Soundex: G450

Timothy and George GWILLIAM came to the US (reply)

miss coco — Mon, 31 Oct 2011 15:29:20 +0000

In response to your inquiry, my great grandfather, Timothy Gwilliam came to the US with his first cousin, George. They did settle in Pennsylvania. Their fathers were brothers (the youngest children, I believe of Benjamin Gwilliam who was married to Catherine Delaney. I do have some family history on both cousins, Timothy and George. I would be happy to share this information with you and perhaps you can share additional information on the family.

George Gwilliam 1807-1851 (reply)

shepway — Sun, 30 Oct 2011 08:53:30 +0000

I have sent you a message via email system but so that others can benefit your George was the son of George born 1807 (baptism not found) and who married Elizabeth Adams on 24 May 1834 at Newland Parish Church. George Snr was killed in an accident at The Bush Pit on 10 February 1851 leaving Elizabeth with 6 children (2 having died in childhood). There is a headstone at Christchurch Churchyard and this is a transcript:
In/Memory of/ George Gwilliam/ died Feb 10 1851/ aged 42 years/ Also of Elizabeth his wife/ died April 9 1869/ aged 58 years/ Also of their children/ Mary Ann/ died March 15 1841/ aged 3 years/ Catherine/ died March 1844/ aged 4 months Edwin / died Oct 10 1855/ aged 3 years
George born 1835 was the eldest and married Eliza Williams at a Register Office in 1860.

Timothy was a first cousin to George Jnr. His father was Timothy born 1811 and this is his baptism:
Year: 1811
Month: Jan
Day: 27
Parents_Surname: GWILLIAM
Child_Forenames: Timothy
Fathers_Forenames: Benjamin
Mothers_Forenames: Catharine
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Shortstanding
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: at Coleford Chapel
Notes: Any abbreviated forenames have been expanded to the full name
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 47
Parish_Chapel: Newland

Timothy married Eliza Gwilliam at Dixton Church, Monmouth on 22 March 1840. Eliza was baptised 22 August 1819 at Christchurch Parish Church and was the daughter of James Gwilliam and Eliza nee Ambrey.

George 1807-1851 and Timothy 1811-1885 had an elder brother Thomas 1798-1854 who was my g-g-grandfather.

Mike

George GWILLIAM - Shortstanding (reply)

unknown — Sat, 29 Oct 2011 21:12:11 +0000

Wow! Awesome! Georges 1, 2, 3... Elizas, Elizabeths... Gloucestershire becomes Monmouthshire... gets pretty hard wading through this stuff.
Thank you!

George GWILLIAM - Shortstanding (reply)

m p griffiths — Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:58:21 +0000

Gloucestershire BDM

http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/

George GWILLIAM married Eliza WILLIAMS - Forest of Dean, Monmouth, Register Office - 1860 ***

if you order the marriage certificate, this would give parents names etc.

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1851 Census, Gloucestershire, West Dean, District 5i

'All that part of the Township of West Dean comprising Berry Hill, Christ Church, Bridwell Tump, Millers Lane, the Hollies, Beddinghorn Shortstanding and Broom on Knoll

George GWILLIAM - 73, 4 acres Farmer - all born West Dean
Mary BURGHAM, niece, Widow - 40
Jane BURGHAM - visitor's daughter - 14

1841 Census, Glos. Dean Forest Ross, District 9

Shortstanding

George GWILLIAM - 65 Ind. all born in County
Elizabeth GWILLIAM - 60
George JONES - labourer age 20

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probably in a previous thread....

1851 Census, West Dean

GWILLIAM

Timothy - 38 - Miner, born Berry Hill
Eliza - 32
Miara - 10
Timothy - 8
Milson - 5
Halford - 3
Hannah - 2 months

next door

Elizabeth - Head/Widow - 40
George - 16
James - 14
Benjamin - 9
Elizabeth - 4
Thomas - 2
Amelia MORGAN - lodger - 16 unmarried

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1861 Census, West Dean, Shortstanding

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GWILLIAM

George - 26 - Coal Miner
Eliza 19/29
Shadrach - 6 months

Some Wills Held At Gloucestershire Archives (reply)

unknown — Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:12:38 +0000

Thank you 'danold', something to add to my 'To Do' list. I'd like to see if "Geo. Gwilliam of Shortstanding, West Dean, 1853, with residuary account, 1853" is the same George who I hesitantly (based on Census' of Pennnsylvania and Monmouthshire))think is the father of George Gwilliam b.1835, who emigrated on the 'City of Manchester' from Liverpool to the west side of Pittsburgh in 1870 with his wife Eliza b.18?? and his first 3 children Shadrach (Shadwick), George (#3!) and Elizabeth. He would work at the Idlewood Coal Mine in Chartiers on the NW slope of Mt Washington next to the city. Born at Idlewood's Mining town were Emma, Eliza, Annie & John. Emma is my g-grandmother, who married Joseph F. Hawkins of Chesterfield MD.

The so-called 'manifest' for 'The City of Manchester' was a ruled pad of paper that listed EVERYONE in steerage as Irish coming from Ireland! I imagine someone at port was having problems with a Gaelic brogue!

Back to the point, I hope the will can clarify some family members and locations. I think one of the son's is also TIMOTHY GWILLIAM, who also moved to the same area of Pittsburgh about the same time.

Some Wills Held At Gloucestershire Archives

danold — Mon, 21 Feb 2011 19:37:45 +0000

The following may be of interest to somebody:

Some Wills Held At Gloucestershire Archives

Collection Vizard and Son of Monmouth, solicitors

Section Testamentary and Trusts

FindingRef D637/ IV/ 8

Title Miscellaneous wills and copy wills

Date 1614-1872

Description
John Barrow of Breame Lodge, Forest of Dean, 1710, proved 1713;
Thos. Beard of Rodmore, St. Briavels, farmer, 1872;
Thos. Burgham of Redbrook, Newland, iron founder, 1850;
Ambrose Cooper of Lydney, farmer, 1810;
Richard Henry Dighton of Newland, esq., 1854;
Richard Godwin of St. Briavels, yeoman, 1770;
Mrs. Sarah Godwin of Staunton, 1893;
Jas. Grindell, sen., of Dark Hill, West Dean, 1844;
Geo. Gwilliam of Shortstanding, West Dean, 1853, with residuary account, 1853;
Ann Hardwick of Alvington, spinster, 1834;
John Harper of Ruardean, gent., 1812, proved 1821;
Edward Harris of English Bicknor, farmer, 1856;
John James of Phillpotts Court, Tidenham, gent., 1832, proved 1840;
letter and declaration about the title of John Wilkins of Tidenham to property under the will of Ann Jones, 1794;
Richard Jones of High Meadow, Newland, farmer, 1818;
Thos. Packer of Yorkley, Newland, 1819, proved 1822;
two letters about the will of Ann Page of Aylburton, Lydney, proved 1851, 1867;
draft affidavit in the goods of Thos. Palmer, n.d., 19th cent.;
John Parsons of Flaxley, 1719, proved 1719;
Thos. Parsons of Lydney, 1719, proved 1727;
Guilielmus Elmes Payne of Coleford, stone merchant, 1853;
Samuel Simmons of Newland, tanner, 1778;
Geo. Stephens of Staunton, coal and ironminer, 1847, with inventory and valuation of effects, 1851;
Elizabeth Biby Tovey of Newnham, widow, 1847, proved 1849;
*Elizabeth Tyler of Shortstanding, West Dean, 1817;
Hannah White of Coleford, 1817;
Susannah White of Tuppenkennel (Herefs.), widow, 1837.
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*Will of Elizabeth Tyler [Widow] of Shortstanding, West Dean, 4th July 1817
TYLER William - Beneficiary - Son
TYLER George - Beneficiary - Son
TYLER Richard - Beneficiary - Son
FROWEN Mary - Benificiary - daughter and joint Executrix
TYLER Betsy - Benificiary - daughter and joint Executrix
WHITE Geo. - Witness
WHITE Milson - Witness
WHITE Wm. - Witness
Elizabeth signed with her mark X