Forest of Dean FHT Forum - George PERKINS (Police Constable) - Cinderford/Birmingham

George PERKINS (Police Constable) - Cinderford/Birmingham (reply)

m p griffiths — Mon, 27 Aug 2012 15:40:20 +0000

1911 Census, 48 Edward Road, Birmingham - next door to the Police Station, Balsall Heath

22 rooms - along with many other Police Constables (32 in total)

George PERKINS, 23, Single Police Constable, born Glos. Cinderford.

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My son who also serves in the Police force - and is based at the Head Office Birmingham - which has a Museum and where all West Midlands Police personal records are kept.

www.westmidlandspolicemuseum.co.uk/

PERKINS Family Bilson Green East Dean Cinderford Areas (reply)

unknown — Mon, 27 Aug 2012 15:03:50 +0000

Hi Martin Perkins is (I think) is my great great grandfather, his son George Perkins b 1888 is my great grandfather who moved to Birmingham and became a policeman. The family stayed in Birmingham and still live here now. I went to a museum in Cinderford and found a book on miners with a photo of Martin Perkins in it who is the spitting image of my dad. Thanks for the informative website!

Naomi Jones decd 1900 Cinderford (reply)

grahamdavison — Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:36:18 +0000

The age is a transcription error, I have just checked the original register and it should be 65.

Naomi Jones decd 1900 Cinderford (reply)

Paul Andrews — Sun, 27 Mar 2011 15:27:54 +0000

As posted previously by Slowhands:-

Year: 1900
Month: Feb
Day: 3
Surname: JONES
Forenames: Naomi
Residence: Cinderford
Age_at_death: 29 years [needs to be checked]
Officiating_Minister: A. C. Denman Curate
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/14
Page_No: 86
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John

Then:-

Free BMD lists only one entry in the first quarter 1900 for Naomi Jones:-

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

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Deaths Mar 1900 (>99%)
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Jones Naomi 65 Westbury S. 6a 219

It could be worthwhile viewing the original burial record to confirm the age at death.

Naomi Jones decd 1900 Cinderford (reply)

michael john — Sun, 27 Mar 2011 13:36:21 +0000

On your site there is a death record for Naomi that shows that she died in 1900 age 29. Therefore born around 1871/2. I have been unable to find a baptism or marriage record and can find no trace on the census.It is possible that she is the daughter of Naomi Jones ( nee Perkins )born around 1835.It is interesting that the "mother" died in the first quarter of 1900 and the daughter in February 1900. A coincidence or in some way linked. Does anyone have any suggestions to solve the mystery.

Naomi JONES nee PERKINS 1836 ish- 1900 Littledean area (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 28 Feb 2011 07:33:49 +0000

Name: Naomi Jones
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Year of Registration: 1900
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 65
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 219

1891 Furnaces, Cinderford
George Jones abt 1847 Monmouthshire, Wales Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Gaomi Jones abt 1831 Cinderford, Gloucester Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
William Jones abt 1874 Cinderford, Gloucester Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
George Jones abt 1887 Cinderford, Gloucester Grandson East Dean, Gloucestershire

1881
George Jonesabt 1842 Monmouth, Wales Head Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Naomi Jones abt 1841 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Wife Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ellen Jones abt 1865 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emily Jones abt 1870 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Annie Jones abt 1872 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
William Jones abt 1875 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Edwin Bikins abt 1861 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Relative (Other Relative) Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire

1871
George Jones 29
Naomi Jones 24
Martin Perkins 14
Edwin Perkins 10
Emily Perkins 5
Ellen Jones 1

1851
Richard Dobbins abt 1776 Eldersfield, Worcestershire, England Head Gloucester St Mary de Lode, Gloucestershire
Ann Dobbins abt 1778 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Gloucester St Mary de Lode, Gloucestershire
Charles Dobbins abt 1807 Gloucestershire, England Son Gloucester St Mary de Lode, Gloucestershire
Nams Perkins abt 1836 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Servant Gloucester St Mary de Lode, Gloucestershire

1841 Upper Bilson
Hanah Perkins abt 1796 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire Labouring Woman
Ruth Perkins abt 1829 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Nehomy Perkins abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Mary Perkins abt 1838 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
George Perkins abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

Year: 1830
Month: Feb
Day: 14
Parents_Surname: PERKINS
Child_Forenames: Ruth
Fathers_Forenames: Caleb
Mothers_Forenames: Hannah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Cinderford
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: J. Chell
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 100
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

Year: 1831
Month: Apr
Day: 15
Surname: PERKINS
Forenames: Caleb
Residence: Cinderford
Age_at_death: 47 years
Officiating_Minister: J.Chell
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes: Burial details 2nd row
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/11
Page_No: 24
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

Year: 1818
Month: Jul
Day: 7
Grooms_Surname: PERKINGS
Grooms_Forenames: Caleb
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Widower
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Little Dean
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: WOOD
Brides_Forenames: Hannah
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Little Dean
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: A Cooper
Witness_2: Mark of Hannah Baldwin
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Henry Prowse Jones
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P110 IN 1/9
Page_Number: 13
Parish_Chapel: Littledean

Dog Inn, Bilson Green, Cinderford (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 27 Feb 2011 10:38:20 +0000

{Gone away as an Inn - 99% sure, the building may well be there }

Dog Inn, Victoria Street
Listed under East Dean

Map Reference:
Owner in 1891: W. Jones
Rateable value in 1891: £25.0s.0d.
Type of licence in 1891:
Owner in 1900: 21st September 1900. Up for sale Arnold Perrett & Co. Ltd., Wickwar Brewery
Owner in 1903: W. Jones (free from brewery tie)

Rateable value in 1903: £25.0s.0d.

Type of licence in 1903:

Closing time in 1903: 11pm

Landlords:

1869-1887 William Jones
1889-1894 Luke Newman
1897,1902,1903 Daniel Prosser (listed as a beer retailer in 1902)
1910-1912 Ernest Byett
1915 (30th April) James Prosser to Richard White

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1891 Dog Inn Bilson Green
Luke Newman abt 1850 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Newman abt 1852 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire d
Florry Newman abt 1876 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Llian Newman abt 1878 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Luke Newman abt 1886 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sidney Newman abt 1888 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
William A Newman abt 1890 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

1881 Bilson Green
William Jones abt 1826 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Head Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire Carpenter
Mary Jones abt 1824 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Wife Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Alice K. Harris abt 1865 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Servant Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire

1871 Dog Inn
William Jones 44 English Bicknor Carpenter
Mary Ann Jones 47 Littledean
Elizabeth Edwards 20

Emily INGLES 1902 -1931 Cinderford (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 27 Feb 2011 10:34:37 +0000

. Would you know whether St John Cinderford has a burial register showing positions of plots/ headstones ??

My experience was walking the rows until I found the ones I was looking for , the transcribed entry does not appear to have a row / position reference for Emily

Sometimes you will see :-
Memoranda: B/10/1
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St Johns

means the grave is in graveyard ground B row 10 position 1

Emily INGLES 1902 -1931 Cinderford (reply)

michael john — Sun, 27 Feb 2011 09:19:55 +0000

Many thanks for your swift and detailed information on the Perkins family much appreciated. This now leads to two further queries. Would you know whether St John Cinderford has a burial register showing positions of plots/ headstones ?? Secondly would you know whether the Dog Inn at East Dean home for Martin Perkins on the 1871 census is still standing.

Emily INGLES 1902 -1931 Cinderford (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 26 Feb 2011 13:29:52 +0000

Name: Harry Linsley Ingles
Year of Registration: 1898
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Hunslet
County: Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 244

1901
Sidney J Ingles abt 1872 Chettenham, Gloucestershire, England Head Hunslet, Yorkshire
Ellen Ingles abt 1869 Hunslet, Yorkshire, England Wife Hunslet, Yorkshire
Robert W Ingles abt 1898 Hunslet, Yorkshire, England Son Hunslet, Yorkshire
Harry L Ingles abt 1899 Hunslet, Yorkshire, England Son Hunslet, Yorkshire
Annie Ingles abt 1901 Hunslet, Yorkshire, England Daughter Hunslet, Yorkshire

Name: Harry L Ingles
Spouse : Emily Perkins
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1931
Registration district: West Bromwich
Registration county (inferred): Staffordshire
Volume Number: 6b
Page Number: 1724

Year: 1931
Month: Dec
Day: 21
Surname: INGLES
Forenames: Emily
Residence: Royal Infirmary Glos
Age_at_death: 29
Officiating_Minister: C Paul Gliddon
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/15
Page_No: 153
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John

Name: Harry L Ingles
Spouse : Eileen F Langdown
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1939
Registration district: Portsmouth
Registration county (inferred): Southampton
Volume Number: 2b
Page Number: 1406

Name: Harry L Ingles
Death Registration Month/Year: 1967
Age at death (estimated): 68
Registration district: Portsmouth
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 549

Elizabeth PERKINS 1857 -1916 Cinderford Area (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 26 Feb 2011 13:28:05 +0000

Name: Elizabeth Perkins
Death Registration Month/Year: 1916
Age at death (estimated): 59
Registration district: Westbury On Severn
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 377

PC Bertie CROWDEN 1892-1964 (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 26 Feb 2011 13:25:13 +0000

Bertie's CROWDEN family:-
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=912

Year: 1916
Month: Apl
Day: 8
Grooms_Surname: CROWDEN
Grooms_Forenames: Bertie Frederick
Grooms_Age: 24
Groom_Condition: Batchelor
Grooms_Occupation: Police Constable
Grooms_Residence: Digbeth Birmingham
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Crowden
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Robert
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Blacksmith
Brides_Surname: PERKINS
Brides_Forenames: Elizabeth Ann
Brides_Age: 24
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Cinderford
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Perkins
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Martin Henry
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Check Weighman
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Martin H Perkins
Witness_2: Ada Agnes Crowden
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: J Martin Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/2 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 44
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St Stephen

1911
CROWDEN ROBERT M 1864 47 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
CROWDEN HARRIETT F 1866 45 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
CROWDEN BERTIE M 1893 18 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
CROWDEN ADA F 1903 8 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire

Cemetery Yew Tree Brake
Grave Ref A-C4 78
Name CROWDEN Bertie Frederick
Age 72 years
Address 25 Scott Road,
Olton,
Solihull,
Birmingham,
Warwickshire.
Date of Death 11th March 1964
Date of Burial 17th March 1964
Place of Death Dudley Hospital, Birmingham.
Officiating Minister Rev. S. Crawley

Martin PERKINS 1857 -1927 Cinderford Area (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 26 Feb 2011 12:37:02 +0000

Year: 1927
Month: Feb
Day: 15
Surname: PERKINS
Forenames: Martin Henry
Residence: Cinderford
Age_at_death: 70
Officiating_Minister: F W Baldwin Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/15
Page_No: 113
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John

1911
PERKINS MARTIN H M 1857 54 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
PERKINS ELIZABETH F 1858 53 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
PERKINS ELIZABETH F 1892 19 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
PERKINS EMILY F 1902 9 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
PERKINS MARY F 1899 12 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
PERKINS WILLIAM M 1889 22 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire

1901
Martin Perkins abt 1857 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Perkins abt 1857 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Edwin Perkins abt 1883 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
George Perkins abt 1888 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
William Perkins abt 1891 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Perkins abt 1893 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Nellay Perkins abt 1894 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Perkins abt 1899 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

1891
Martin Perkins abt 1857 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Perkinsabt 1857 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
William Perkins abt 1890 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Matilda Perkins abt 1876 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Henry Perkins abt 1878 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Lucy Perkins abt 1880 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Edward Perkins abt 1883 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Annie Perkins abt 1887 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
George Perkins abt 1888 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

1881
Martin Perkins abt 1857 Eastdean, Gloucestershire, England Head Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Perkins abt 1857 Eastdean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Perkins abt 1876 Eastdean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Henry Perkins abt 1877 Eastdean, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Henry Thomas abt 1862 Gloucestershire, England Boarder Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Lucy Perkins abt 1879 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean,

Year: 1875
Month: Feb
Day: 1
Grooms_Surname: PERKINS
Grooms_Forenames: Martin
Grooms_Age: 18
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Cinderford
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Surname: KNIGHT
Brides_Forenames: Elizabeth
Brides_Age: 18
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Cinderford
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Knight
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: John
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Mark of Samuel Beard
Witness_2: Mark of Elizabeth Knight
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: G.A. Allan Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 114
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John

1871
George Jones 29
Naomi Jones 24
Martin Perkins 14
Edwin Perkins 10
Emily Perkins 5
Ellen Jones 1

Year: 1869
Month: Jul
Day: 25
Grooms_Surname: JONES
Grooms_Forenames: George
Grooms_Age: 25
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Bilson Green
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Jones
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Carpenter
Brides_Surname: PERKINS
Brides_Forenames: Naomi
Brides_Age: 30
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Bilson Green
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Perkins
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He Mark She Signs
Witness_1: Samuel Beard
Witness_2: Ann Beard
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: William Barker
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 239
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

1861 Westbury Workhouse
Naomi Perkins abt 1836 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Inmate Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire
Martin Perkins abt 1856 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Inmate Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire
Edwin Perkins abt 1860 Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire, England Inmate Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire

PERKINS Family Bilson Green East Dean Cinderford Areas

michael john — Sat, 26 Feb 2011 11:12:25 +0000

Hi I have just found this site and searching for any information regarding the above family. Martin Henry Perkins was born around 1857 in east Dean and died in 1927. He married an Elizabeth Knight in 1875 at Westbury on Severn. They had 13 children of which 10 survived. I understand at least 3 of the males went on to join the police force any information on them welcome. I also need the date Elizabeth died. They had a daughter Emily born 1902 and i am trying to find where she is buried after dying in Gloucester Infirmary only 6 months after she was married at Handsworth near Birmingham. It was Emily that married my father Harry Ingles on the 20 June 1931. Finally congratulations on your interesting and informative website. Any information welcomed.