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1841 census - Districts (reply)

collier_mk2 — Sun, 06 Mar 2011 10:52:05 +0000

thanks everyone am going to sit and take notes from all the very helpful hints ive recieved on this fantastically helpful site,wish had found it earlier would have saved me 2 nervous breakdowns!!!!!ha ha ha thanks guys!!!

1841 census - Districts (reply)

m p griffiths — Sat, 05 Mar 2011 08:57:49 +0000

Nic

Look at the 1841 census for Swindon - and look at the Enumerator's notes for the 3 Districts (only three) ( think you belong to Ancestry)

this will show you what areas where classed as Swindon then - like Walcot, Eastcott Hill etc - so to Thomas, this would be Swindon - not what we would think of Swindon today.

There is one Jefsee/Jessee (assume christened James COLLIER) age 20 - Labourer, born in County - District 8, Page 8

There is quite clusters of COLLIERS, at Wroughton, about 3 miles - Sub Reg: District of Swindon on census returns

Also William Austin COLLIER/Thomas Austin COLLIER - there are Austin's at Wroughton - I say this because my dad/and his nephew (Swindon bred) Christians names were Austen - and AUSTIN was their x Grandmother's maiden name, and my 'expected' new Grandson will have Austen as his middle name.

Alice Rebecca ELLIOT 1869 Northampton (reply)

collier_mk2 — Sat, 05 Mar 2011 00:05:23 +0000

Sorry for late reply litterally just finished helping mate move house!!!Im going to start tommorrow with a fresh begining looking for Thomas collier using all tips given to me by every one who has kindly taken time to help and give information,I just hope i can finally make "THE" breakthrough and finally find his birth/baptism and parents regards nic

Alice Rebecca ELLIOT 1869 Northampton (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 04 Mar 2011 12:02:18 +0000

but not marriage,i thought it would have been in luton not chelsea!!!

1841
James Elliott abt 1811 Northamptonshire, England All Saints, Northamptonshire
Pheobe Elliott abt 1816 Northamptonshire, England All Saints, Northamptonshire
George Elliott abt 1838 Northamptonshire, England All Saints, Northamptonshire
Sarah Elliott abt 1840 Northamptonshire, England All Saints, Northamptonshire

Name: Lovely _Arn__ Elliott
Year of Registration: 1848
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Northampton (1837-1923)
County: Northamptonshire
Volume: 15
Page: 301

1851
James Elliott abt 1809 Piddington, Northamptonshire, England Head Northampton All Saints, Northamptonshire
Phoebe Elliott abt 1815 St Giles Northton, Northamptonshire, England Wife Northampton All Saints, Northamptonshire
George Elliott abt 1838 All Saints Northton, Northamptonshire, England Son Northampton All Saints, Northamptonshire
James Elliott abt 1844 All Saints Northton, Northamptonshire, England Son Northampton All Saints, Northamptonshire
Amelia J Elliott abt 1846 All Saints Northton, Northamptonshire, England Daughter Northampton All Saints, Northamptonshire
Lovell W Elliott J abt 1848 All Saints Northton, Northamptonshire, England Son Northampton All Saints, Northamptonshire
Alfred Elliott abt 1850 All Saints Northton, Northamptonshire, England Son Northampton All Saints, Northamptonshire
Phoebe Elliott abt 1788 Piddington, Northamptonshire, England V;Ml Northampton All Saints, Northamptonshire

Name: Lovell Warren Elliott
Name: Ellen Newman
Year of Registration: 1869
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Northampton (1837-1923)
County: Northamptonshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 95

Name: Alice Rebecca Elliott
Year of Registration: 1869
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Northampton (1837-1923)
County: Northamptonshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 80

1871
Lovell W Elliott 22 Machinist employing 9 persons
Ellen Elliott 24
Ellen Elliott 4
Alice Elliott 2
Lovell W Elliott 1 Month

1881
George Newman abt 1815 Kettering Head Northampton St Sepulchre, Northamptonshire
Ellen Elliott abt 1846 St Andrews Daughter Northampton St Sepulchre, Northamptonshire
Ellen Elliott abt 1867 St Andrews Granddaughter Northampton St Sepulchre, Northamptonshire
Alice Elliott abt 1870 St Sepulchre Granddaughter Northampton St Sepulchre, Northamptonshire
Jane Elliott abt 1874 St Sepulchre Granddaughter Northampton St Sepulchre, Northamptonshire
Phoebe Elliott abt 1877 St Sepulchre Granddaughter Northampton St Sepulchre, Northamptonshire
Ada Elliott Ellen abt 1879 St Sepulchre Granddaughter Northampton St Sepulchre, Northamptonshire

1891 Kilravock St Chelsea
Lovel Elliott abt 1847 Northamptonshire, England Head Chelsea, London Machinist
Ellen Elliott abt 1847 Northamptonshire, England Wife Chelsea, London
Nellie Elliott abt 1867 Northamptonshire, England Daughter Chelsea, London
Emily Elliott abt 1874 Northamptonshire, England Daughter Chelsea, London
Ada Elliott abt 1879 Northamptonshire, England Daughter Chelsea, London
Florrie Elliott abt 1882 Chelsea, London, England Daughter Chelsea, London

Kilburn off the A404
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&rlz=1T4ADBF_en-GBGB310GB310&q=chelsea+kilra...

Name: Lovell W Elliott
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Year of Registration: 1915
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 68
District: Hammersmith
County: Greater London, London
Volume: 1a
Page: 418

Edwin Thomas COLLIER 1868 -1938 Apperley -> Coventry (reply)

collier_mk2 — Fri, 04 Mar 2011 11:21:25 +0000

slow hands how do you do this so quick i had the census reports for edwin and alice but not marriage,i thought it would have been in luton not chelsea!!!and my oldest son is called "Marshall NJ collier" with out knowing my grandfather "Victor" or my dad~(as he left marital home when i was 2)had "Marshall" as a midle name how spooky is that?? am going to try follow some of the leads you've given me for "Thomas's parents its just hard trying to tie it down to a true match dont want to get my hopes up and then realise following wrong family!(as i have done this once before!)
many thanks nic

Edwin Thomas COLLIER 1868 -1938 Apperley -> Coventry (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 04 Mar 2011 09:26:44 +0000

Year: 1868
Month: Feb
Day: 2
Parents_Surname: COLIER
Child_Forenames: Edwin Thomas
Fathers_Forenames: Austin William
Mothers_Forenames: Margaret Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Apperley
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: G Butterworth P Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P112 IN 1/12
Page_Number: 85
Parish_Chapel: Deerhurst

1871 Apperley
William A Collin 32 Apperley
Margaret A Collin 27 Apperley
Sarah Ann Collin 7 Apperley
Edwin L Collin 3 Apperley
Thomas Collin 67 Wilts Parish N K Gardener / Domestic Serv

1881
William A. Collier abt 1841 Apperley, Gloucestershire, England Head Deerhurst, Gloucestershire
Ann Collier . abt 1844 Longney, Gloucestershire, England Wife Deerhurst, Gloucestershire
Thomas Collier abt 1868 Apperley, Gloucestershire, England Son Deerhurst, Gloucestershire
Amelia Collier abt 1872 Apperley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Deerhurst, Gloucestershire
Frances Collier abt 1875 Apperley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Deerhurst, Gloucestershire

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
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Marriages Mar 1890 (>99%)
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Collier Edwin Thomas Chelsea 1a 494
ELLIOTT Alice Rebecca Chelsea 1a 494

1891

1901 100 Eagle St
Thomas Collier abt 1868 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England Head Coventry, Warwickshire Enine Smith
Alice Collier abt 1871 Northampton, Northamptonshire, England Wife Coventry, Warwickshire
Gladys Collier abt 1895 Luton, Bedfordshire, England Daughter Coventry, Warwickshire
Horace Collier abt 1896 Luton, Bedfordshire, England Son Coventry, Warwickshire
Doris Collier abt 1900 Foleshill, Warwickshire, England Daughter Coventry, Warwickshire

1911
COLLIER EDWIN THOMAS M 1870 41 Coventry Warwickshire
COLLIER ALICE REBECCA F 1872 39 Coventry Warwickshire
COLLIER GLADYS MAY F 1894 17 Coventry Warwickshire
COLLIER HORACE EDWIN M 1896 15 Coventry Warwickshire
COLLIER DORIS PRETOR F 1900 11 Coventry Warwickshire
COLLIER EVA MAJORIE F 1904 7 Coventry Warwickshire
COLLIER THOMAS AUSTIN M 1907 4 Coventry Warwickshire
COLLIER VICTOR MARSHALL M 1909 2 Coventry Warwickshire

Name: Edwin T Collier
Death Registration Month/Year: 1938
Age at death (estimated): 70
Registration district: Coventry
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 783

Name: Edwin Thomas Collier
Probate Date: 4 May 1938
Death Date: 5 Apr 1938
Death Place: Coventry, West Midlands, England
Registry: Birmingham

..of 190 Eagle St Coventry died 5th April 1938 - at 11 London Rd Coventry
Admin 4th May to Alice Rebecca Collier Widow Effects £270 0s 9d

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Name: Alice E Collier
Death Registration Month/Year: 1960
Age at death (estimated): 87
Registration district: Coventry
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 9c
Page: 804

Name: Alice R Collier
Death Registration Month/Year: 1967
Age at death (estimated): 93
Registration district: Ealing
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 5b
Page: 63

Thomas COLLIER 1805/6 -1875 Wiltshire - > Apperley (reply)

collier_mk2 — Fri, 04 Mar 2011 09:09:47 +0000

Slowhands you are a diamond i had missed the 1871 census just couldn find him anywhere!!!thats probably because of the last name spelling as "collins" i would have ignored it!!! And you've thrown chelts back in there slyly ha ha!Also i had never thought about them having baptised him any where along the canal/waterways so i may never actually pinpoint him so i can find his parents????hhhmmmm????typical the actual "Collier" line has been elusive from the begining!,I had always grown up beleiving i was coventry born and bred,and as all my grand parents had passed on by the time i was 9 had never really asked the question,It was great grandad who came to coventry early 1900's Edwin thomas collier or Thomas as he is listed in a few records so just goes to show people get about a bit! cheers cant thank you enough
cheer snic

Thomas COLLIER 1802/5 swindon/Canal (reply)

collier_mk2 — Fri, 04 Mar 2011 08:58:14 +0000

thanks for this cant believe how helpful everyone is on here,its like a breath of fresh air,and so informative wish had of found you guys years ago!!! i feel like a new lease of life has been breathed into "Thomas"and my persistance is finally going to pay off!!!!!!

Thomas COLLIER 1802/5 swindon/Canal (reply)

m p griffiths — Fri, 04 Mar 2011 07:53:48 +0000

If you look at Google maps, you will see how close Tirley and Deerhurst are to the water.

I've checked my Gloucestershire CD's for burials/births of COLLIER - parents Thomas & Ann(e) - and can't find any that are appropriate - as there is only one child listed O/Austin on the 1841 age 2 - and this couple married in 1832 - so the Wiltshire Indexs' are worth checking.

Thomas COLLIER 1805/6 -1875 Wiltshire - > Apperley (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 04 Mar 2011 06:42:34 +0000

The waterman possibility holds true for Swindon Cheltenham too !

A short Canal exists from the River Severn at Wainlode near Tirley / Apperley heading towards Cheltenham , at Coombe Hill on the A38. This was originally planned as the Cheltenham Canal. http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/59078

Swindon nr Cheltenham is only 3 miles from here :-)

However the census data does point towards Wiltshire for his birth.

Year: 1832
Month: Jun
Day: 28
Grooms_Surname: COLLIER
Grooms_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: of this parish
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: COX
Brides_Forenames: Ann
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: of this parish
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Licence
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Mark of Samuel Smith
Witness_2: Sarah Coox Surman
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P334 IN 1/7
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Tirley

Name: Austin Collier
Year of Registration: 1839
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Tewkesbury
County: Gloucestershire, Worcestershire
Volume: 11
Page: 444

Year: 1839
Month: Jun
Day: 24
Parents_Surname: COLLIER
Child_Forenames: Austin William
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Mothers_Forenames: Anne
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Apperley
Occupation: waterman
Officiating_Minister: J Frederick Hone Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P334 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 44
Parish_Chapel: Tirley

1841 Apperley
Thomas Collier abt 1807 Gloucestershire, England Deerhurst, Gloucestershire Waterman
Ann Collier abt 1810 Gloucestershire, England Deerhurst, Gloucestershire
Ostin W Collier abt 1839 Gloucestershire, England Deerhurst, Gloucestershire

1851
Thomas Collier abt 1805 Swinden, Wiltshire, England Head Deerhurst, Gloucestershire Ag Lab
Ann Collier abt 1819 Tirley, Gloucestershire, England Wife Deerhurst, Gloucestershire
Austen Collier abt 1839 Deerhurst, Gloucestershire, England Son Deerhurst, Gloucestershire

1861 Apperley
Thomas Collier abt 1806 Swindon, Wiltshire, England Head Deerhurst, Gloucestershire Sheppard
Austin Collier abt 1840 Deerhurst, Gloucestershire, England Son Deerhurst, Gloucestershire Ag Lab
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
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Marriages Dec 1862 (>99%)
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Collier William Gloucester 6a 473
Meadows Ann Gloucester 6a 473

Name: Thomas Collier ???
Date of Trial: 14 Oct 1862
Trial Year: 1862
Location of Trial: Gloucestershire, England
Sentence: Imprisonment
Larceny 4 months Hard Labour

1871 Apperley
William A Collin 32 Apperley
Margaret A Collin 27 Apperley
Sarah Ann Collin 7 Apperley
Edwin L Collin 3 Apperley
Thomas Collin 67 Wilts Parish N K Gardener / Domestic Serv

Name: Thomas Collier
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1802
Year of Registration: 1875
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 73
District: Tewkesbury
County: Gloucestershire, Worcestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 337

Year: 1875
Month: Oct
Day: 23
Surname: COLLIER
Forenames: Thomas
Residence: Apperley
Age_at_death: 73
Officiating_Minister: G Butterworth Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P112 IN 1/13
Page_No: 12
Parish_Chapel: Deerhurst

<><><> so back to his birth

Accepting his birth in Wiltshire, if his family were "Watermen" then the baptism may have been at any point on their routes. So St Mary De Lode in Westgate St down towards the River and canal/docks seems another possible :-

THOMAS COLLIER
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 17 MAR 1805 Saint Mary De Lode, Gloucester, Gloucester, England
Death:
Burial:
-----------------------------------------------------
Parents:
Father: THOMAS COLLIER
Mother: ANN
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C025671 1606 - 1812 0425422 Film 6911618 Film
Sheet: 00

1841 Deacon St
Ann Collier abt 1776 Gloucestershire, England St Mary de Lode, Gloucestershire
Robert Collier abt 1811 Gloucestershire, England St Mary de Lode, Gloucestershire
Mary Collier abt 1816 Gloucestershire, England St Mary de Lode, Gloucestershire

1851 Deacon St
Robert Collier abt 1809 Gloucestershire, England Head Gloucester St Nicholas, Gloucestershire Cordwainer
Mary Ann Collier abt 1825 Bristol Wife Gloucester St Nicholas, Gloucestershire

Thomas COLLIER 1802/5 swindon/Canal (reply)

collier_mk2 — Fri, 04 Mar 2011 00:02:38 +0000

Now that has gone and done it!it all makes sense now as a waterman he would have traveled to gloucester with work on the waterways!i have Thomas collier 1808 born in calne to a Thomas Collier 1771+Betty Mortimer 1761 penciled in on my Ancestry.co family tree from a suggested link i have the mortimer family back to 1653!but no way of tying it all together till now,i had missed the "waterman" job title...........looking good i think.But it does,nt matter where i search there doesnt seem to be anyone searching the collier family this far back it just runs dry at the confusing mr"Thomas collier"thanks so far everybody for your input,this seems to be a very very helpful site,and cannot thankyou all enough,especially Christine Willcox who gave me this link....
thanks nic
p.s its just come to me as i looked at the canal site you listed as i came to the canal refurbishment section,i actually worked on 3 of the locks being refurbed at the minute, they had been dredged,drained and dammed off so we could work on the brickwork and seal the leaks and pumped cement grout behind lock walls to sure them up,its mad to think my 3xgreatgrandfather could have worked these locks 150+ years ago.....small world....

Thomas COLLIER 1802/5 swindon/Canal (reply)

m p griffiths — Thu, 03 Mar 2011 22:31:52 +0000

As Thomas COLLIER (1841 census) was a Waterman - if you look at British History on Line for Canals

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=102816&strquery=Swindon%20glouc...

The Kennet & Avon Canal was completed to Swindon in 1804 - branches at Calne & Chippenham - it could be the family were all Watermen.

Thomas COLLIER married Betty MORTIMER - 13 April 1794 Calne

The Canal used to run through the centre of Swindon across Regent Street when I was a child.

Searching Thomas Collier 1802/5 swindon Wilts/gloucester (reply)

collier_mk2 — Thu, 03 Mar 2011 21:06:44 +0000

good point,maybe should draw a line under swindon wilts and concentrate on swindon nr cheltenham,the mad thig is as im in construction i have worked in swindon wilts, at cheltenham sports centre and in and around the area!!

Thomas COLLIER 1802/5 swindon (reply)

collier_mk2 — Thu, 03 Mar 2011 21:01:13 +0000

hi, yeah i have thought about it,but wanted to try rule out the swindon wilts as its written in the census,i have done quick search but nothing seems to come to much there in fact nothin seeems to match in that time frame at all for a Thomas Collier in 1802-05 swindon,well not where ive been searching????or nothing concrete should i say.Cheers nic

Searching Thomas Collier 1802/5 swindon Wilts/gloucester (reply)

m p griffiths — Thu, 03 Mar 2011 20:58:25 +0000

All I can say, is that as a Swindonian, (Wiltshire) Calne always seemed a long way off - 13 miles to us 'locals'

A brief history of Swindon

www.localhistories.org/swindon.html

Thomas COLLIER 1802/5 swindon (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 03 Mar 2011 20:05:59 +0000

Lateral thought - given that he is in Tirley/ Deerhurst / Apperley could he hail from Swindon nr Cheltenham Glos ?

Searching Thomas Collier 1802/5 swindon Wilts/gloucester (reply)

collier_mk2 — Thu, 03 Mar 2011 19:39:22 +0000

hi thanks for quick reply,i have Thomas on 1841/51/61 census and his marriage in 1832. its his birth thats hiding from me,because he puts Swindon/wilts and 3 different birth years its turning into a mission to solve this puzzle ha ha.Would Calne in Swindon be classed as Swindon/wilts back then as i have Thomas Collier 1808 in Calne/wilts
regards nic

Searching Thomas Collier 1802/5 swindon Wilts/gloucester (reply)

m p griffiths — Thu, 03 Mar 2011 18:21:55 +0000

Swindon, Wiltshire is my home town....

One place to contact is the Wiltshire Records Office

http://www.ancestor-search.info/CRO-Wiltshire.htm

In early 1800's the population of Swindon, was 1,198 before it became one of the centres for the Great Western Railway.

I'll see if my nephew has the Wiltshire Marriage Index for Colliers..

1841 Census, Deerhurst

Apperly

Thomas COLLIER - 34, Waterman - born in County
Ann COLLIER - 31 - born in County
Ostin COLLIER - 2 - born in County

Searching Thomas Collier 1802/5 swindon Wilts/gloucester

collier_mk2 — Thu, 03 Mar 2011 17:11:58 +0000

Hi have just joined after being given this link via "the curious fox" by Christine Wilcox who answered my plea for help within 6 hours of joining and posting!!! Now that is amazing!!!with a few tasty morcels from this amazing site.I am hoping to trace my 3x great grand father Thomas Collier born 1802/05 according to marriage,census and death certs in Swindon wilts/gloucester,Married anne cox on 28/6/1832 in tirley,Had one son Austin william Collier,Thomas lived in deerhurst till death in 1875.Any help to find Thomas's birth and his father so i can continue after being stuck for at least 5 years,the nearest i can find is a Thomas Collier in Calne,Wilts????so my main objective is to crack the ellusive "Thomas" maybe contact other people searching him and maybe relatives+make some freinds regards nic collier of Coventry