Forest of Dean FHT Forum - (James) William GEORGE 1856 -1924 Anchorberry, Lydbrook

(James) William GEORGE 1856 -1924 Anchorberry, Lydbrook (reply)

tkjensen — Tue, 19 Apr 2011 19:48:19 +0000

3. Oh! In my tree, LOL!

Thanks again for the great leads.

(James) William GEORGE 1856 -1924 Anchorberry, Lydbrook (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 19 Apr 2011 18:50:30 +0000

A couple of questions:
1. I have ordered from GRO in the past. Is this where I will order the birth, death, and marriage records you have referenced?
I order from the GRO -https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

2. Can you direct me to the proper location to order parish records, if that's possible? The transcriptiopns are on this site - if its images that you want then best ask Graham Davidson

3. I'm wondering, where did you find a reference to William's death being inscribed on Sarah's headstone in the Cuba Cemetery in Illinois?
Buried in Ancestry !

(James) William GEORGE 1856 -1924 Anchorberry, Lydbrook (reply)

tkjensen — Tue, 19 Apr 2011 17:22:57 +0000

Wow! The "James" has thrown me for a loop (in this long bunch of NMI Georges), but the wedding record, birth record, and death record are remarkable; I will send off for the hard copies to see how that all comes together. I do believe that William and Elizabeth were William's parents (and Harriet his sister), and I had identified Baptism Record No. 117173 in the Parish Records as a likely match for William, but no indication of "James" there, so didn't come up with a corresponding birth record.

A couple of questions:

1. I have ordered from GRO in the past. Is this where I will order the birth, death, and marriage records you have referenced?

2. Can you direct me to the proper location to order parish records, if that's possible?

3. I'm wondering, where did you find a reference to William's death being inscribed on Sarah's headstone in the Cuba Cemetery in Illinois?

Many, many thanks, slowhands, for all this wonderful information!

(James) William GEORGE 1856 -1924 Anchorberry, Lydbrook (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 19 Apr 2011 15:37:35 +0000

Name: James William George
Year of Registration: 1856
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
DISTRICT: Monmouth (1837-1939)
COUNTY: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 25

1861
William George abt 1825 Beckinge, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth George abt 1823 Lydbrock, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Harriet George abt 1849 Anchar Berry, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Ann George abt 1852 Anchar Berry, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
William George abt 1857 Anchar Berry, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

1871 Anchorberry
William George 45
Elizabeth George 49
Harriet George 21
William George 14
Elizabeth George 5

Sarah Jane HOWELLS Kinver:-
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=29631

GEORGE James William
HOWELLS Sarah Jane
Forest of Dean
Monmouth Register Office
1878
Vol 11 Ent 82

1881
William George abt 1857 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah George abt 1860 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Minna Howells abt 1873 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Visitor West Dean, Gloucestershire
James Knapp abt 1851 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Lodger West Dean, Gloucestershire

1891
William George abt 1859 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah George abt 1861 Kinross, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Arthur George abt 1882 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Hannah George abt 1883 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
William George abt 1891 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

1901
William George abt 1857 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Monmouthshire
Sarah George abt 1859 Kinver; Stourbridge, Staffordshire, England Wife West Dean, Monmouthshire
Arthur George abt 1884 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire
Allan George abt 1889 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire
William George abt 1891 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire
Minnie George abt 1893 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Monmouthshire
Harry George abt 1895 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire
Alfred George abt 1897 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire
James George abt 1899 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire
Harriet George abt 1850 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Lodger West Dean, Monmouthshire

1904 24 Feb Age: 48 Departure Liverpool, England S.S. Oceanic
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957

1904 3 Apr Age: 48 Arrival New York, New York
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957

1908 20 Apr Age: 52 Departure New York, New York, USA S.S. Mauretania
UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960

1908 28 AprAge: 52 Arrival Liverpool, England
UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960

1923 Age: 67 Death Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Headstone in Cuba Cemetery with Sarah Howell George

Name: James W George
Death Registration Month/Year: 1924
Age at death (estimated): 65
Registration district: Monmouth
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 24

Year: 1924
Month: May
Day: 8
Surname: GEORGE
Forenames: James William
Residence: Lydbrook
Age_at_death: 65 years
Officiating_Minister: G A Hopkins
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P208 IN 1/13
Page_No: 37
Parish_Chapel: Lydbrook

William Henry GEORGE 1860 - 1924 (?) (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 19 Apr 2011 15:30:31 +0000

One to discard

Name: William H George
Death Registration Month/Year: 1924
Age at death (estimated): 63
Registration district: Westbury On Severn
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 286

Year: 1924
Month: Jun
Day: 2
Surname: GEORGE
Forenames: William Henry
Residence: Lower high St[reet] Cinderford
Age_at_death: 63 Y[ears]
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes: Entry followed by 397 and ED / WoS
Register_Reference: PA 85/3
Page_No:
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford Baptist

Looks like this one :-

1891
William H George abt 1861 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary E George abt 1864 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Edwin H George abt 1889 Cindurford, Goucestershire Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

EDWARDS, Harry, born 25 Nov 1884, Joys Green, Lydbrook (reply)

tkjensen — Tue, 19 Apr 2011 14:07:48 +0000

Hello slowhands,

I do not know the names of any children of Hannah and Harry, just very recently discovered that Hannah married Harry, and so this line of research is new for me.

The George family you've listed in the 1891 census is indeed mine. In the 1901 census, Hannah's parents and siblings (but not Hannah) were listed in the Wales Census, rather than the England Census, although still West Dean, Holy Jesus Ecclesiastical Parish. I think the location is the same as in the prior census; did boundaries change?

In 1904, Hannah's parents and all her siblings immigrated to the United States. The oldest brother, Arthur, was my great grandfather, and he died young, in 1918. My family did not even know Hannah existed. Hannah's father, William George, left his family in the United States and emigrated back to England sometime before 1910, and reportedly (based on a headstone inscription in the United States) died in Lydbrook in 1923 (although I have not found a record of his death either).

Hannah's mother was Sarah Jane Howells, born in Kinver, and may be the daughter of James Howell(s)? and Hannah Poole, about whom there is a nice thread on this forum, but I haven't quite been able to pin that down; something seems off. But, if I recall, that family ended up in Wales, so that's a path I need to follow again.

I thought perhaps Harry's parents' involvement with the Bell Inn may have been an inducement for Harry and Hannah to stay in the Lydbrook area, but I see that Harry's mother, Hannah, left her estate to Thomas (oldest son, I believe), and I don't know that Harry's parents would have owned the Inn in any case, they may have just worked there.

Forgive the ramble, but I thought some context may help; you seem to be fantastically gifted in ferreting out info based on the smallest of clues!

Thank you...

Terri

EDWARDS, Harry, born 25 Nov 1884, Joys Green, Lydbrook (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 19 Apr 2011 05:53:52 +0000

Year: 1884
Month: Dec
Day: 21
Parents_Surname: EDWARDS
Child_Forenames: Harry
Fathers_Forenames: Charles
Mothers_Forenames: Hannah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Joy's Green
Occupation: Plate Layer
Officiating_Minister: Jno Gregory
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born Nov 25 1884
Notes:
Register_Reference: D2598 3/4
Page_Number: 0
Parish_Chapel: East Dean Methodist

1891
Charles Edwards abt 1830 Shropshire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Hannah Edwards abt 1839 Pinley, Warwick Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
George Edwards abt 1877 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
John Edwards abt 1880 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Harry Edwards abt 1885 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

1901
Charles Edwards abt 1830 Knighton, Radnorshire, Wales Head West Dean, Monmouthshire
Hannah Edwards abt 1841 Penley Green, Warwickshire, England Wife West Dean, Monmouthshire
Harry Edwards abt 1885 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire
Edith Beard 1890 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Monmouthshire

marriage

EDWARDS Harry
GEORGE Hannah
Forest of Dean Monmouth Register Office
1903
Reg 21 Ent 100

Possible "footprint" in South Wales ( looking into it)

1911
EDWARDS HARRY M 1885 26 Merthyr Tydfil Glamorganshire
EDWARDS HANNAH F 1865 46 Merthyr Tydfil Glamorganshire

possible children?
Trevor Edwards 1912 Apr-May-Jun Breconshire, Glamorgan, Mid Glamorgan
Emrys Edwards 1914 Apr-May-Jun Breconshire, Glamorgan, Mid Glamorgan

Can you confirm any names for his children ?

EDWARDS, Harry, born 25 Nov 1884, Lydbrook

tkjensen — Mon, 18 Apr 2011 22:38:42 +0000

Greetings,

I am looking for information on Harry Edwards, born November 25, 1884 in Lydbrook, and his wife Hannah, nee George, born abt 1884. Hannah is my great-grandfather's sister. Harry is the youngest child of Charles and Hannah Edwards, who were the innkeepers at the Bell Inn in Lydbrook for a period of time. I believe Charles and Hannah had 12 children in all.

In the Parish Records on this site I have found Harry's baptism record (East Dean Methodist), and the burial records for Charles (1909) and Hannah (1908) (Lydbrook Parish Chapel). I believe this Edwards family came to the Forest of Dean around 1870; I've found census records for the family showing them in the Forest in 1871, 1881, 1891, and 1901.

My questions, specifically, are these:

Is anyone out there researching this Edwards group? I've looked at the Edwards' postings on the forum, and I don't think they are the same line. I am specifically interested in learning whether Harry and Hannah stayed in the Forest after their marriage in April 1903, or if they immigrated to the United States or elsewhere.

Also, I subscribe to ancestry.com, and can only find England and Wales Census Records through 1901. Are there later versions of the England and Wales Census available on-line?

Thank you in advance for any assistance you can provide. This is a wonderful site, and I've been thrilled to find much helpful information on my Forest of Dean ancestors here!