Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Margaret GRIFFITH nee ROBERTS c. 1750ish

Margaret GRIFFITH nee ROBERTS c. 1750ish (reply)

mrsbruso — Sun, 19 Jun 2011 17:30:51 +0000

Births for Margaret Roberts in parish registers in the date range:

200173 1753 ROBERTS Margaret John Anne Awre
94696 1754 ROBERT Margaret Christopher Jane Newent

172639 1757 ROBERTS Margaret Daniel Elizabeth of the Parish of Newland Mitcheldean

Marriages for two of the three sets of parents:

24493 1746 ROBERTS Christopher MIDDLETON Jane Newent
39985 1737 ROBERTS John MOILES Anne Awre

No marriage in parish registers for Daniel and Elizabeth Roberts

We can discard the Awre birth, which leaves us with Newent and Newland. The Newent birth didn't appear in the search previously, because I had searched ROBERTS, and the "S" appears in the marriage record but not in Margaret's birth record.

Margaret GRIFFITH nee ROBERTS c. 1750ish (reply)

mrsbruso — Sat, 18 Jun 2011 00:53:24 +0000

I think this mystery is solved, at least as far as excluding the Margaret born in Awre. I should have checked the burials index FIRST

136032

Entry_Number:
Year: 1753
Month: Sep
Day: 17
Surname: ROBERTS
Forenames: Margaret
Residence:
Age_at_death:
Officiating_Minister: Jack[man] Morse Vic[a]r
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: [1]Daug[hte]r of John (an Infant) [2][Symbol for]Monday
Notes:
Register_Reference: P30 IN 1/1 Part 2
Page_No: 514
Parish_Chapel: Awre
Soundex: R163

Margaret GRIFFITH nee ROBERTS c. 1750ish (reply)

mrsbruso — Fri, 17 Jun 2011 13:35:55 +0000

Plot complication for this Daniel as my Margaret's father: He and Mary had a daughter, Margaret, in 1739. I could not find a death for her. There are deaths for several Mary's during the requisite period, but no marriage for a Daniel to Elizabeth. There is a death recorded for a Daniel in Ross in 1759 . . .

Margaret and James GRIFFITHS were living in Bream/Forest when their two youngest children were born. Before that I don't believe a residence was recorded. Their son James later lists his birthplace as Yorkley.

There is also the possibility that Hannah was a cousin of Margaret's and not a sister.

Daniel and Mary had the following children at Ross:

1733 William (died as infant)
1736 Elizabeth
1737 Jno
1739 Margaret
1742 Daniel
1744 Ann
1745 George
1747 Hannah

Margaret GRIFFITH nee ROBERTS c. 1750ish (reply)

m p griffiths — Fri, 17 Jun 2011 13:11:51 +0000

Using the Advance Search for children of James ROBBINS/ROBINS and Hannah we have

Molly, 27 August 1771, when they were living in Bream, christened at Newland and
Molly, 18 February - 1772
James - when they were living in Bream, christened at Newland 18 July 1777
and lastly
William - 19 April 1784 - christened at Lydney

Is Molly a nicknames for Margaret?

Margaret GRIFFITH nee ROBERTS c. 1750ish (reply)

mrsbruso — Fri, 17 Jun 2011 13:08:45 +0000

That seems like a significant hint! But it puts the age of the deceased Margaret even further out of whack (assuming she was baptised as an infant) but I know that age is frequently not overly accurate. The 1757 makes a certain amount of sense when you consider that James and Margaret's eldest son, James, was born in 1784. Her youngest, Sarah, was born in 1800.

No hints in the sons' names here . . . she had neither a John nor a Daniel. She did have a daughter Elizabeth, though, and no Ann. Another point for Daniel and Elizabeth as her parents.

So the next question is: Is the age (of the deceased Margaret)inaccurate, or is it not the same Margaret?

So now I need to look to see if Hannah is Margaret's half sister . . . (Daniel and Elizabeth had two children together that are in the parish records . . . Robert, c. 1853 and Margaret, c. 1757.

The Awre Margaret (Blakeney again!) had a sister, Anne, c, 1738.

The Newland/Mitcheldean parents have a son c. 1753 named Robert. Robert Roberts. Seems appropriate for my family tree -- given that I am a descendent of two people named Lewis Lewis.

Margaret GRIFFITH nee ROBERTS c. 1750ish (reply)

m p griffiths — Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:40:31 +0000

?? clue here.....

When James GRIFFITHS married Margaret ROBERTS - 1 November 1783 at Newland.... one witness was James ROBINS (and R WILLIAMS, who seems to be a witness at quite a few weddings) -

Using the Advance Search for witnesses.....

Marriage Newland 5 November 1770 -

James ROBINS of Newland, married Hannah ROBERTS of Newland

witnesses John MORSE - and R WILLIAMS

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There is a baptism at Ross on Wye - 24 May 1747 - Hannah ROBERTS, parents Daniel & Mary (not Elizabeth)

Margaret GRIFFITH nee ROBERTS c. 1750ish

mrsbruso — Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:07:17 +0000

I am trying to determine which, if either, of these Margaret ROBERTS is this one:

This is "my" Margaret:

Record ID 61529
Entry Number 151
Year 1783
Month Nov
Day 1
Grooms Surname GRIFFITHS
Grooms Forenames James
Grooms Age
Groom Condition
Grooms Occupation
Grooms Residence Newland
Grooms Fathers Surname
Grooms Fathers Forenames
Grooms Fathers Occupation
Brides Surname ROBERTS
Brides Forenames Margaret
Brides Age
Brides Condition
Brides Occupation
Brides Residence Newland
Brides Fathers Surname
Brides Fathers Forenames
Brides Fathers Occupation
Licence or Banns Banns
Date of Banns
Signature or Mark Both mark
Witness 1 R Williams
Witness 2 Mark of James Robins
Other Witnesses
Officiating Minister P Ball vicar
Event Marriage
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P227 IN 1/8
Page Number 569
Parish Chapel Newland

Possible burial record:

738
Year 1823
Month Jun
Day 27
Surname GRIFFITHS
Forenames Margaret
Residence Newland
Age at death 73 Y[ea]rs
Officiating Minister H Douglas Vicar
Event Burial
Cause of death
Memoranda Widow
Notes
Register Reference P227 IN 1/16
Page No 93
Parish Chapel Newland

Two possible baptisms:

200173
Entry Number
Year 1753
Month Apr
Day 8
Parents Surname ROBERTS
Child Forenames Margaret
Fathers Forenames John
Mothers Forenames Anne
Mothers Surname
Residence
Occupation
Officiating Minister Edm[un]d Asheton Assistant
Event Baptism
Memoranda [1]Daugh[te]r of [2][symbol for]Sunday
Notes Blakeney Chapel
Register Reference P30 IN 1/1 Part 2
Page Number 426
Parish Chapel Awre

I have a marriage betwee John Roberts and Anne Moiles in Awre; Ann is the daughter of William Moiles (MOYLE) and Lucey. There is a marriage is 1730 between Willliam MOYLE and Lewis (sic) WALLARD. Wallard is an unusual name for any of the registers, so I am not sure the minister recorded it accurately -- especially since "Lucey" was recorded as "Lewis". (Not that Lewis is not a wonderful name . . .)

This is in the wrong parish, but the year is closest to the age of the Margaret whose burial is listed above. It is also a red herring; I just found this Margaret's death record -- she died as an infant.

This leaves this as the most likely parents:Second possibility:

172639
Entry Number
Year 1757
Month May
Day 19
Parents Surname ROBERTS
Child Forenames Margaret
Fathers Forenames Daniel
Mothers Forenames Elizabeth
Mothers Surname
Residence of the Parish of Newland
Occupation
Officiating Minister Rich[ard] Roberts Rector
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P220 IN 1/1
Page Number 100
Parish Chapel Mitcheldean

This is the correct parish (Newland, not Mitcheldean), but the date is further out than I would have otherwise expected. Is the minister's name significant as to why this child was baptised in Mitcheldean?