Forest of Dean FHT Forum - George MATTHEWS approx 1812/14

George MATTHEWS approx 1812/14 (reply)

jimashton — Sat, 17 Dec 2011 17:00:29 +0000

Brian

You have said in your latest posting that your GGG Grandfather George was born 1814. It would appear therefore that you have chosen the baptism of 20 Feb 1814 Abenhall with parents John Matthews & Jemima Pimble.

The information provided by M P Griffiths, specifically the 1851 census data would lead me to think that George was baptised 7 Jun 1812 Ruardean son of Moses Matthews & Catherine Marsh, indeed in my Family Tree I have (in the words of Spock) made it so.

In John Shipley's posting the parents of his GGG Grandfather John 1832 and his brother George 1830, both baptised Hartpury appear to be Joseph Matthews & Sarah Lewis married 7 Nov 1827 - with 4 more baptisms for siblings. It is possible that the parents of this Joseph could be Joseph Mathews & Hannah, as there is a Joseph Matthews baptised 27 Jun 1805 with parents Joseph & Hannah.

Jim Ashton

George MATTHEWS approx 1812/14 (reply)

brifield72 — Sat, 17 Dec 2011 12:45:52 +0000

Hi John,
It is quite possible we are on the same line, my ggg was George Matthews born
1814.and i believe he was baptisted in Abenall.
If you look at the link for march 17th 2011 from Slowhands to me on Matthews you will see a list of names which you might find helpful.
Best of luck, Brian.
Brifield72

George MATTHEWS approx 1812/14 (reply)

unknown — Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:07:50 +0000

Hi, My ancestors are the Matthews family (my mother's maiden name) the family lived in Hartpury, Glos, in the 1600s,170s, 1800s,. My G, G, G, Grandfather John Matthews moved to the West Midlands in the mid 1850s. John had a brother named George, bapt'd Hartpury parish church 25 April 1830. Do you think we may have a connection somewhere?

George MATTHEWS/Eliza ROBERTS (reply)

jimashton — Fri, 09 Dec 2011 10:39:04 +0000

Thank you JAJ

Your posting has corrected a few details in my Family Tree.

Following this line within my tree I believe we have emailed in the past and that you are my 7th cousin once removed.

This line is also a classic case of the benefits incured by following siblings and parents of spouses. Anne Trigg 1818's parents William Trigg & Hannah Williams who are not directly related to me provide links to several people that are related to me.

Jim Ashton

George MATTHEWS/Eliza ROBERTS (reply)

jaj — Thu, 08 Dec 2011 23:43:18 +0000

In my tree Eliza Roberts is my great great aunt and her mother, my great great grandmother is Jane Nicholls, bap 28 Dec 1828 Forest Church. Also George Roberts married to Patience Turner Roberts (my gg aunt) is my gg uncle, as son of my great great grandparents Abel Roberts (1819) and Anne Trigg (1818)(baptised 26 Jul 1818 Forest Church) - Ann Trigg 1807 died 1808 buried Abenhall.

George MATTHEWS/Eliza ROBERTS (reply)

jimashton — Thu, 08 Dec 2011 17:44:20 +0000

Thank you M P Griffiths.

I had some of the census data but not all including the 1891 for Richard Matthews, from which I can now add some children. I admit to not pursuing that family, but when you have a Family Tree of over 23000 people you cannot keep track of them all.

For the sake of anyone else following this family I should perhaps explain the George Roberts & Patience Turner entry you have shown for the 1891 Census with Timothy Roberts shown as father:

The parents of Eliza Roberts 1853 who married Richard Matthews 1852 were Timothy Roberts 1825 and Mary Jane Nicholls 1828. They had 7 children (but no George) including Patience Turner Roberts ** baptised 6 Apr 1856 Drybrook. She married George Roberts 1856, son of Abel Roberts 1819 & Anne Trigg 1807.

Whilst I have 364 Roberts and 327 Trigg's in my Family Tree neither Abel Roberts 1819 or Anne Trigg 1807 are related to me - yet. If you follow the line back through siblings it inevitably leads to members of the Marfell family where my main interest lies.

** To explain Patience Turner Roberts name her maternal grandparents were Thomas Nicholls 1802/1853 and Patience Turner 1796/1828.

Jim Ashton

George MATTHEWS/Eliza ROBERTS (reply)

m p griffiths — Thu, 08 Dec 2011 16:18:12 +0000

George MATTHEWS/Eliza ROBERTS

1891 Census, Glos. East Dean
Upper Bilson

ROBERTS

George - Head, 35 Coaminer, born East Dean
Patience - 35 - born East Dean
Annie - 4 - born Ruardean
Timothy ROBERTS - father - Widr - 67 - born Drybrook
Charles GOODE, boarder, widr - 40 - born N.K.
Annie MATTHEWS - Niece - 7 - born Cinderford

next door

MATTHEWS

Richard - 39, Coalminer, born Ruardean
Eliza - 38 - born Hawthorns, Glos
Richard - 1 - Coalminer, born Purlow, Glos
Clara - 18 - born Woodside, Glos
Eva - 14 - born Purlow, Glos
Sydney - 9 - born ditto
Kate - 5 - born ditto

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1881 Census, Ruardean

Bartlets Oak

MATTHEWS

Richard - 28 - born Ruardean
Eliza - 28 - born East Dean
Richard - 9 - born East Dean
Elizabeth -6 - born Ruardean
Eva - 4

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1871 Census, Herefordshire, Ruardean

The Purliue

ROBERTS

Timothy - Mar - 45 Collier, born Herefordshire, Hope Mansell
Jane - 42 - born Hereford, Glos
Aaron - 12 - born Glos. East Dean
Annabia - 7 - born Ruardean
Emma - 2 - - born Glos. Ruardean
Milson - 6 - born Glos. Ruardean

next door

Richard MATTHEWS - mar - 19 Collier, Born Glos. Ruardean
Eliza - wife - 18 - born Hope Mansell

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1861 Census, Herefordshire, Hope Mansell

asddress; Hawthorns

ROBERTS

Timothy - 36 - Carter, born Ruardean
Jane - 34- born East Dean
Eliza - 8 - born East Dean
Patience - 5 - born East Dean
Aaron - 2 - born Herefordshire, Hope Mansell

George MATTHEWS (reply)

jimashton — Thu, 08 Dec 2011 11:34:14 +0000

The only relative in this family - at the moment - is Eliza Roberts 1853, wife of Richard Matthews 1852. Any children would be, but I haven't found any.

The others are "connected" I have found that adding parents and siblings of spouses pays dividends as with the degree of inter-marrying beween Forest of Dean familes those "connected" people often become "related" following subsequent discoveries.

Jim Ashton

George MATTHEWS (reply)

brifield72 — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 20:06:20 +0000

Hello Jimashton,
I was delighted with the quick reply i got from you,It helps me very much because
it confirms my own research.
Going on what you have written i think somewhere along the line we must be related.
I will copy what you have given me so that i can look more carefully.
I will give you a laugh, the amount of names aand copying i have done,most of it a waste, i think i have used a small fortune in ink & paper.
Once again thank you.
brifield72

John MATTHEWS/Jemmima PIMBLE +Moses M/Catherine MARSH (reply)

m p griffiths — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 19:58:35 +0000

FOD records

Marriage at Taynton - 6 April 1807

John MATTHEWS (Bachelor) residence Tainton

married

Jemmima PIMBLE (Spinster) residence Tainton

by banns

mark of Esther white and William HAVEY

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FOD records - Marriage at Ruardean - 11 March 1811

Moses MATTHEWS - residence Ruardean

married

Catherine MARSH - residence Ruardean

witnesses: James MATTHEWS (mark and Joseph HARPER)

FOD records have a baptism of a James MATHEWS at Ruardean 16 February 1776, parents Richard & Ann (again Moses does have a son named Richard!)

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Moses & Catherine MATHEWS - are in Morse Lane, 1851 census - where your family were living also (just 3 doors away from each other!) - and seemed to have moved there between 1841 and 1851 ....... + George & Jemima named two of their children Moses and Catherine - which appear to be Moses parents names.

1851 Census Ruardean

Morse Lane

Moses MATHEWS - 68 Collier, born East Dean (Burial at Ruardean - 11 December 1851 age 69 years = c 1782)
Catherine MATHEWS - 64 - born East Dean
+ a couple of lodgers.

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1841 census, Ruardean, Morse Lane

MATHEWS

Moses - 55 - Collier
Catherine - 50
Elizabeth - 23 - FOD records 1814 - mother Catherine or Kitty
James - 17 - FOD records 1822
Richard - 15

(George 1812, Moses & Kitty)

George MATTHEWS (reply)

brifield72 — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 19:46:26 +0000

HI, m p griffiths,
thankyou for yours quick reply, It looks like I was on the right track but need
a bit more confidence.
So will go with John & Jemima.george born 1813 Dec23.
Now to find Johns father.
Thanks once again.
Brifield72

George MATTHEWS (reply)

jimashton — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 17:05:35 +0000

Moses & George Matthews are in my family tree as George Matthews & Jemima Turley's son Richard Matthews 1852 married my 5th cousin twice removed Eliza Roberts 1853 in 1871.

As I often get carried away researching siblings and parents of spouses. I can tell you that Moses Matthews 1844 married Maria Simmonds 1848 on 14 Apr 1872 Drybrook :

Moses Matthews & Maria Simmonds had 5 children that I am aware of including Thomas 1881 who married Laura Albina and they had 4 children.

Census data :

1851Census Ruardean
George Mathews abt 1813 Ruardean Head
Jemima Mathews abt 1814 Walford, Wife
Elizabeth Mathews abt 1842 Ruardean Daughter
Moses Mathews abt 1844 Ruardean Son
George Mathews abt 1847 Ruardean Son
James Mathews abt 1849 RuardeanSon
Catherine Mathews abt 1850 Ruardean Daughter

1861 Census Ruardean
George Mathews abt 1812 Ruardean, Head
Tarrema Mathews abt 1814 Ruardean, Wife
Bertha Mathews abt 1859 Ruardean, Daughter
George Mathews abt 1846 Ruardean, Son
James Mathews abt 1849 Ruardean, Daughter
Mosses Mathews abt 1844 Ruardean, Son
Richard Mathews abt 1852 Ruardean, Son
Tram Mathews abt 1857 Ruardean, Son

1881 Census Ruardean
Moses Matthews abt 1846 Ruardean, Head
Mira Matthews abt 1849 Eastdean, Wife
Francis J. Matthews abt 1879 Ruardean, Son
George M. Matthews abt 1873 Ruardean, Son
Leah M. Matthews abt 1877 Ruardean, Daughter
Selina M. Matthews abt 1876 Ruardean, Daughter
Thomas Matthews Ruardean, Son
Jemima Matthews abt 1815 Walford, Hereford,Mother

1911 census shows Thomas Matthews 1881, a quarryman, born Ruardean, his wife Laura 1880 (married 11 yrs) born Eastdean, Stanley 1901 Eastdean, Ada 1902 Eastdean, George 1903 Eastdean & Edith 1906 Ruardean. They were living Hazel Hill nr Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire

I have an image of the gravestone for Thomas Matthews 1881/1948. If this is of interest to you, send me an email by clicking on the envelope icon next to my name and I can email the picture to you.

There are 2 potential parents for George Matthews found on the baptism parish records of this site, Moses & John :

Year: 1812
Month: Jun
Day: 7
Parents_Surname: MATHEWS
Child_Forenames: George
Fathers_Forenames: Moses
Mothers_Forenames: Kitty
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: Thomas Dudley Fosbrooke
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes: BT has Catharine
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 76
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean

Entry_Number: 17
Year: 1814
Month: Feb
Day: 20
Parents_Surname: MATTHEWS
Child_Forenames: George
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Jemima
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Hund[re]d of St. Briavels
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: J. Probyn
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born 1813 Dec 23
Notes:
Register_Reference: P1 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 3
Parish_Chapel: Abenhall

Jim Ashton

George MATTHEWS (reply)

m p griffiths — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 16:34:21 +0000

Are you talking about this baptism?

Parish Chapel: Forest of Dean Bible Christian

Notes: Ruardean Chapel

Moses MATTHEWS - 6 March 1844

Father: George (Collier)

Mother: Jemmima (sic)

siblings on FOD records (all Forest of Dean Bible Christian, Ruardean/East Dean)

Illegible - 1841
Elizabeth - 1842
Moses - 1844
James - 1848
Jemima - 1854
Hiram - 1857

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1851 Census, Ruardean
Morse Lane

MATHEWS

George - 35 - born Glos. Ruardean (c1816)
Jemima - 37 - born Hereford, Walford
Eliabeth - 9
Moses - 7
George - 4
James - 2
Catherine - 10 months

? FreeBDM - George MATTHEWS/Jemima TURNEY - J/A/S Qtr 1837 Ross District

Church of Latter Day Saints: Marriage at Saint John, Lea, Hereford, - 30 September 1837

George MATTHEWS/Jemima TURNEY

George MATTHEWS approx 1812/14

brifield72 — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 16:17:28 +0000

Could anyone help?. I am trying to find the father of George Matthews, who I belive to be the father of Moses Matthews my great grandfather.
I have searched and found a John Matthews born I belive about1760,but that comes from finding a marriage certifcate for John Matthews and Ann Evans, April,22nd 1782.
I was then hoping John Matthews and Mary Matthews 1736 were the parents of John.
God I am finding it difficult being an amerture does not help.
If you can help I would be most grateful.
brifield72.