Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Marriage of Joseph Hatton and Sarah about 1800

Marriage of Joseph Hatton and Sarah about 1800 (reply)

Ernest Hatton — Sat, 26 Aug 2017 18:15:52 +0000

I might end up posting this twice using my iPhone. Thomas Hatton was the son of William Hatton and was born in Lancahshire 1739. He married MARY Bick of Barnwood so we have a new branch of the Hatton family. I believe his daughter MARY was the mother of Cornelius Hatton born 1809. This family spelled the name with an E HattEn. Later changed to the correct spelling HATTON. They mixed in and many assumed this was one of the 3 branches. It may have become so with the children of Thomas andMary Bick.
This is my conclusion now that I found Thomas of 1739 in Lancashire and his father named William. A major break in the Hatton mysteries. Cornelius was also in Barnwood in my thousand of files! MARY is the right age and when she gave birth she was MARY HattEn and Cornelius Cornelius Hatten.
I would suggest that males take the Y DNA test. Those with unarmed fathers are likely to find their male line family. I am the administrator of the Hatton-HattEn DNA group at familytreedna.

Marriage of Joseph Hatton and Sarah about 1800 (reply)

janehope — Sun, 18 Dec 2011 14:21:08 +0000

Hi Ian

Yes, I'm in contact with Jim from Canada and have been for some years now. We actually met up earlier this year for the first time and will be meeting again at the HATTON/EDDY/WATKINS ancestor get together next year in the Forest of Dean.

If you search Mike John's pages on Rootsweb Monmouthshire marriages you'll find an awful lot of HATTONs who came from FoD.

Happy hunting!
Jane

Marriage of Joseph Hatton and Sarah about 1800 (reply)

ikhatton — Sat, 17 Dec 2011 21:31:44 +0000

Thank you so much! I have been looking for this marriage for 30 years. Do you have a copy of the original register entry? I have been in touch with decendents from Canada and from the middle east and the UK. Are you in touch with jim hatton in Canada who has probably identified ancestors from Forthampton from 1545?

Thanks once again,

Ian

Marriage of Joseph HATTON and Sarah NELMES (reply)

janehope — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 22:19:35 +0000

Hi MPG

Sarah Nelmes is daughter of John NELMS (original spelling) and Margaret ? baptism 9 October 1785 according to FoD records. Sorry haven't delved further into the NELMES family as primarily following HATTONs and an elusive Elizabeth GEORGE (not sure if she's Monmouthshire or Gloucestershire). I would think that Sarah could be sibling of John as father's name is John.

Happy hunting!
Jane

Marriage of Joseph HATTON and Sarah NELMES (reply)

m p griffiths — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 20:12:09 +0000

In previous reply, said a Joseph HATTON was witness - 24 December 1815 at Walford to

John NELMES - Batchelor - residence Ruardean cum Walford

Mary ROBERTS - Spinster, residence Forest of Dean

is this Sarah's brother?

Marriage of Joseph Hatton and Sarah about 1800 (reply)

janehope — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 19:30:13 +0000

Hi
Joseph Hatton (son of Philip Hatton and Jane Eddy)married Sarah Nelmes on 14th February, 1809 at St. Woollo's, Newport. Witnesses were William Hopkins and Susannah Stevens.

Welcome to the HATTON clan - there are hundreds of us - spread all over the world who seem to have originated from FoD.

Happy hunting!
Jane (nee Hatton)

Joseph HATTON (reply)

ikhatton — Thu, 15 Dec 2011 18:18:21 +0000

Thanks so much for all the suggestions. I'm glad in one way that I was not missing something obvious. I really appreciate the effort you have made in trying to help.

Best wishes Ian

Joseph HATTON (reply)

Jefff — Wed, 14 Dec 2011 15:32:39 +0000

Thanks MPG,
had to look it up
"Larceny is a crime involving the wrongful acquisition of the personal property of another person."
Has now been replaced by the broader offence of theft.

Ah well, as I'm sure you all realised I was speaking in jest, but as some tabloid journalists used to say "why let the facts get in the way of a good story"...

Anyhow, returning to Joseph in Ruardean, it looks like we have the old story of several people in an area having same or similar names, so all rather muddy from our viewpoint. I was particularly interested as my father was a Jones of the Reddings part of Lydbrook/Ruardean, so I maywell be related to Elizabeth. That said I thought my line were more recent settlers to the area from South Wales, but again I've struggled with the large numbers of in my case William Jones' to untangle, so who's to say ?.

What's certain is yet again this thoroughly fascinating pasttime has thrown a new light on an area, until yesterday I don't recall coming across any Hattons in Ruardean, yet clearly they were a major "clan" in the area and probably still are. Rather like my mother's line of Brace & Merrick being so numerous in the Redmarley area.

Joseph HATTON (reply)

m p griffiths — Wed, 14 Dec 2011 07:36:18 +0000

Jeff

Joseph HATTON, Gloucester Archives, 1816

Ancestry

Summer 1816, Larcency - 1 year

Marriage of Joseph Hatton and Elizabeth about 1798 (reply)

Jefff — Wed, 14 Dec 2011 02:34:52 +0000

Using advanced search for all FoD BRs for Joseph & Elizabeth gives;

1799 HATTON James, Joseph & Elizabeth, Ruardean
1802 HATTEN Joseph, Joseph & Betty, Ruardean
1805 HATTEN Sarah, Joseph & Elizabeth, Ruardean
1808 HATTEN Jonathan, Joseph & Elizabeth, Ruardean
1810 HATTEN Hanah, Joseph & Elizabeth, Ruardean
1813 HATTON William, Joseph(shoemaker) & Elizabeth, Ruardean
1816 HATTON Sarah, Joseph(shoemaker) & Elizabeth, Ruardean

HOWEVER I ALSO FIND;

Record_ID: 56378
Entry_Number:
Year: 1810
Month: Feb
Day: 11
Parents_Surname: HATTON
Child_Forenames: Sarah
Fathers_Forenames: not stated
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: Richard Wood
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: base daughter
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 67
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean
Soundex: H350

Who is the father ?.

However this may not be "our" Sarah, as there are at least three other possible child Sarah Hattons at this time in Ruardean.
Such as this daughter of Joseph & Mary(!?)
Record_ID: 40686
Entry_Number: 4376
Year: 1826
Month: Oct
Day: 15
Surname: HATTON
Forenames: Sarah
Residence: Reddings in the Forest
Age_at_death: 11 m[on]ths
Officiating_Minister: G D Fosbroke Min[iste]r
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: daughter of Joseph and Mary
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/12
Page_No: 49
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean
Soundex: H350

I find several Baptisms for Richard & Sarah Hatton, but no Marriage;
1815 HATTON Richard, Richard & Sarah Ruerdean [Ruardean] Labourer Butcher &
Chelsea Pensioner Ruardean (sadly Richard died age 3 weeks)
1817 HATTON William, Richard Sarah Ruerdean [Ruardean] Butcher &c Ruardean
1820 HATTON Sarah Ann, Richard Sarah Ruerdean [Ruardean] Butcher Ruardean
1822 HATTON Thomas, Richard Sarah Ruerdean [Ruardean] Butcher Ruardean
1822 HATTON Caroline, Richard Sarah Ruerdean [Ruardean] Butcher Ruardean
1824 HATTON Richard, Richard Sarah Ruardean Congregational
1827 HATTON Mary, Richard Sarah Ruerdean [Ruardean] Butcher Ruardean (died aged 13)
1829 HATTON John, Richard Sarah Ruerdean [Ruardean] Butcher Ruardean
1832 HATTON Joseph, Richard Sarah Ruerdean [Ruardean] Butcher Ruardean(died age 2)
1834 HATTON River, Richard Sarah, Ruardean, (died before first birthday)

I also find;
Record_ID: 40368
Entry_Number: 4058
Year: 1814
Month: Dec
Day: 22
Surname: HATTON
Forenames: John
Residence: Ruardean
Age_at_death: ab[ou]t 2 y[ea]r
Officiating_Minister: G D Fosbroke Assistant Curate
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: natural son of Sarah
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/12
Page_No: 9
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean
Soundex: H350

Which Sarah ?. Father ?,perhaps John Hatton ?.

Similarly;
Record_ID: 40703
Entry_Number: 4393
Year: 1827
Month: Apr
Day: 29
Surname: HATTON
Forenames: Richard
Residence: Woodside
Age_at_death: 7 y[ea]rs
Officiating_Minister: G D Fosbroke Min[iste]r
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: natural son of Sarah
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/12
Page_No: 51
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean
Soundex: H350

Which Sarah ?. Father ?,perhaps Richard Hatton ?.

Again, why no parents mentioned ?
Record_ID: 40262
Entry_Number:
Year: 1810
Month: May
Day: 14
Surname: HATTEN
Forenames: Sarah
Residence:
Age_at_death:
Officiating_Minister: Richard Wood
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: a child
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/6
Page_No: 70
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean
Soundex: H350

SO TO CONCLUDE, THERE APPEAR TO BE SEVERAL CHILDREN FATHERED BY SARAH HATTON/HATTEN(s?) IN THIS AREA.
IT IS CLEARLY A COMPLEX WEB TO UNTANGLE, GOOD LUCK TO WHOEVER TRIES !.

I cannot find a logical burial for Elizabeth c1816 so cannot tell whether or why Joseph did marry again(to Sarah).
However searching Baptisms for Joseph Hatton there are, perhaps not surprisingly, more than one to consider wrt Elizabeth, Sarah et al;
1744 HATTON Joseph, William & Sarah, Ruardean
1776 HATTON Joseph, Jonathan & Alice, Ruardean
1784 HATTEN Joseph, Phillip & Jane, Ruardean
1802 HATTEN Joseph, Joseph & Betty, Ruardean

AND FINALLY, the Glos Archives site only shows one Joseph Hatton/Hatten in Dean;

http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/genealogy/Results.aspx

"1816 Hatton Joseph, St. Briavels, Ref: Q/Gc5/1, labourer, Gaol."

This Joseph is aged 30 when committed in 1816 so born abt 1786.
So he could be our man ?. Was he committed for bigamy ? Or maybe on suspicion, never proven, of murdering Elizabeth who had seemingly disappeared about then ?...

Probably neither of these, but ???...

Marriage of Joseph Hatton and Sarah about 1800 (reply)

m p griffiths — Tue, 13 Dec 2011 19:03:39 +0000

I've checked my Gloucestershire Marriage CD's pre 1800 and post 1800 - nothing turns up.

As Joseph HATTON lived in Ruardean, I wonder if this is him - witness at a Wedding in Walford, to a John NELMES (Ruardean cum Walford)

24 December 1815

John NELMES - Batchelor - residence: Ruardean cum Walford

married

Mary ROBERTS - Spinster, residence Forest of Dean

mark of Joseph HATTON and Y FOSBROOKE

1841 Census, Little Warifield, Herefordshire, Walford

Phillip HATTEN - 24 - all born in County
Mary - 20
Eliza - 1

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1841 Census, Glos, Dean Forest Ross

HATTEN

Joseph - 57 - all born in County 1784
Sarah - 41 c 1800
Philip - 18 - Coal Miner

This could be Joseph's first marriage, if the census above is the correct couple

Marriage at Ruardean: 20 December 1798

Joseph HATTEN - residence, Ruardean

married

Elizabeth JONES - residence, Ruardean

witnesses: Eleanor GRIFFITHS and Joseph HARPER

Marriage of Joseph Hatton and Sarah about 1800

ikhatton — Tue, 13 Dec 2011 18:13:03 +0000

I am searching for the Marriage of JOSEPH HATTON to SARAH (surname unknown) between 1790 and 1820. They lived in Ruardean between 1814-1822 and had 2 sons, Joseph and Phillip (baptised 1814 and 1822) but I have searched this parish and cannot seem to find it. Any help appreciated.