Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Stephen EVANS and Harriett FROWN from English Bicknor

Stephen EVANS and Harriett FROWN from English Bicknor (reply)

celticmagick — Wed, 22 Dec 2021 06:43:11 +0000

Hi Amelia,

so sorry I didn't get back to this forum until the past week.

I am so very interested in finding out about the Evans and the Frowens.

Hopefully you see this eventually

Kind regards
Mary

Stephen EVANS and Harriett FROWN from English Bicknor (reply)

celticmagick — Tue, 21 Dec 2021 05:14:30 +0000

Hi Lorraine.

Amy's sister Janey is my grandmother.

So that would make your husband my Dads first cousin

Cheers
Mary

Stephen EVANS and Harriett FROWN from English Bicknor (reply)

lorrainestacker — Tue, 21 Dec 2021 00:09:49 +0000

Hi Mary

Stephen Evans is also my husband's great great grandfather. Don is descended from his daughter Alice and then her daughter Amy. How are you related?

I have also searched over the years for any clue on the child Stephen left behind.

Lorraine

Stephen EVANS and Harriett FROWN from English Bicknor (reply)

lorrainestacker — Mon, 20 Dec 2021 22:18:59 +0000

Hi Charles

I corresponded with your dad in 2006 and we met up in English Bicknor. Is he still doing family history research? I have a researcher on the Frowen family who is interested in getting in touch. His name is Phil Moon and his is from the UK.

Lorraine Stacker
NSW, Australia

Stephen EVANS and Harriett FROWN from English Bicknor (reply)

Jefff — Sat, 09 Jul 2016 01:12:04 +0000

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Stephen EVANS and Harriett FROWN from English Bicknor (reply)

Ameliajones — Fri, 08 Jul 2016 22:26:03 +0000

Hi Mary,

Please could you email me on xxxxxxxxxxxxx
I am also related to Charlie Jones, I am Nicks daughter.
Me and dad recently got on to the topic of Stephen Evans and I am hoping to hear back from you as we may be related somehow!

Amelia (Millie) :)

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Stephen EVANS and Harriett FROWN from English Bicknor (reply)

celticmagick — Fri, 22 Feb 2013 02:46:53 +0000

Hi Nick,

Great to hear from you I will sit down after work and
digest your message thoroughly.

So glad to hear from you.

I will write back later tonight.

Cheers
Mary in Australia

Stephen EVANS and Harriett FROWN from English Bicknor (reply)

laroseonco — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 22:10:24 +0000

Hi Mary. I'm sorry this reply has been a while coming! My daughter did text me but after reading the text it slipped my mind and I've only just remembered!
As Charlie has said Harriet Frowen was my Great Great Great Grandmother. I have done some research but I haven't had a great deal of success. I have also drawn a blank on any children born to Harriet before 1837 although my mother can remember an Aunt Kate who she thinks was the daughter of Mary Anne Evans who in turn she believed was Harriet's daughter. I believe that a Thomas Jarrett may be the father of some of Harriet's children.
So far, although I am by no means certain, it would appear that Harriet's children may be Susannah, Harriet, William, Elizabeth, Mary Anne,Angelina & a 2nd William who appears to have been born in December 1859, Christened in January 1860 & buried 23/4/1860. My link to Harriet is through her daughter Susannah Evans (18/3/1837 - 13/2/1932) who married Richard Addis. Their daughter was Sarah Anne Addis. Before she eventually married a Mr Preece/Preest? she had a daughter (my Grandmother) Augusta Elizabeth Addis (28/6/1877 - 8/7/1939).
Augusta was raised by Susannah as at the time her mother Sarah Anne was unmarried. Augusta married Henry Jones and went on to have ten children. The eldest of which was Avis Augusta and the youngest Winifred Hilda (my mother).
If you can find a copy, there is a book titled The Forest of Dean Revisited by Joyce Latham. (Printed by Sutton Publishing Limited, Phoenix Mill, Stroud Gloucestershire). On page 102 there is a photograph of Harriet, Susannah, Sarah, Augusta and my Aunt Avis - five generations! Avis was born in 1896 which I believe was the year that Stephen passed away.
I hope this is of interest and if I can help with more information please let me know. (One more thing which you may know already - I think Stephen may have had a twin brother Joseph. Their parents were George Evans and Mary Bevan. George and Mary were married at English Bicknor 27th May 1794. Both were born in English Bicknor - George in 1772 & Mary in 1768) Harriet is buried with her daughter Susannah and Richard Addis just to the left of the main doorway of English Bicknor Church.
Kind Regards Nick

Stephen EVANS and Harriett FROWN from English Bicknor (reply)

celticmagick — Mon, 03 Dec 2012 09:49:04 +0000

Hi,
I am happy to hear from you.
I am early in my research of Harriett Frowen and Stephen Evans.
I am in Australia and a direct descendant of Stephen.
He was our elusive convict that it has taken years to confirm
his origins and it is now established that Harriett was his first wife
There is a missing child of theirs that was left behind with Harriett.
I am very interested in any descendants of Harriett as I am building
her tree also.
I will send you what I can find and see where you fit it.
Look forward to hearing back from you
regards
Mary in Australia

Stephen EVANS and Harriett FROWN from English Bicknor (reply)

unknown — Wed, 28 Nov 2012 19:22:11 +0000

Hi there, My name is Charlie Jones and I'm a descendant of Harriet, my father is Nicholas Jones who's mother is Winifred Hilda Jones, who's mother was Augusta Elizabeth Addis I'm not sure where it goes from there, I think there's two more generations between? But my dad has done alot of family tree research so I'll call him and find out what else he knows!
Speak to you soon hopefully :)

Harriett EVANS/FROWEN English Bicknor + Goodrich? (reply)

celticmagick — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 03:39:27 +0000

thank you for all that information. I will take my time digesting it all with the other info I have.

Still the missing child of Stephen and Harriett.

Poor Harriett, what a hard time she must have had after Stephens transportation.

Luckily it seems that Susan looked after her after her marriage to Richard Addis.

Stephen Evans went on to have a good life in Australia after his freedom was granted.

Stealing a sheep! to obviously feed a hungry family and what a consequence for them with Harriett left destitute.

Thank you again for the info. If anyone locates the missing baby it would be fantastic. I am wondering now whether she had to leave it with a family member as
she had no means to look after it or more than likely it has died.

kindest regards

Harriett EVANS/FROWEN English Bicknor + Goodrich? (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 00:04:01 +0000

Baptism at English Bicknor: 19 November 1848

EVANS, Mary Anne

mother's forenames: Harriett
residence: New Weir

occupation: Harriet EVANS comes separate from her husband who (no text after the word who)

The full transcript text :-

Harriet Evans comes separate from her husband who is a convict,
& was transported some years back & is now in Australia

Harriett EVANS/FROWEN English Bicknor + Goodrich? (reply)

m p griffiths — Wed, 21 Nov 2012 12:31:40 +0000

Ancestry: Criminal Register

Stephen EVANS - Gloucester, England, Summer 1833, Sheep Stealing, life.

Gloucestershire Genealogical Database

Stephen EVANS, age 21, English Bicknor, Blacksmith - Date of Committal: 15 July 1833

Ref: Q/Gc5/5

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Not sure how long he was in custody, before the date of trial and transportation took place later that year.
Married 11 May 1833, but knew about his 'child', whom he says where living in Lydbrook, Gloucestershire.

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1851 Wales Census - Monmouthshire, Monmouth, District 2e - Page 37 of 60
Union House

(in order on the census form)

Harriett EVANS, married 38 - born Gloucester, English Bicknor
William EVANS - 11 - born Goodrich
George HUGHES - 45 - labourer, born English Bicknor
Peter EVANS - 7 - born English Bicknor
Angelina EVANS - 1 months born Monmouth

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FOD records

Baptism at Goodrich - 13 July 1839 -
Harriett EVANS - residence: Coldwell, mother: Harriet single woman

Baptism at Goodrich - 14 March 1841

William EVANS
father's forenames: not stated
mother's forenames : Harriett
residence: Coldwell
occupation: Illegitimate

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Baptism at Goodrich - 13 July 1845

Peter EVANS
father's forenames: not stated
mother's forenames: Harriett
Residence: Coldwell
occupation: Illegitimate

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1841 Census, Herefordshire, Goodrich

Harriet EVANS - 25 - not born in County
Susan - 4 - born in County (c1837 - no baptism at Goodrich, is this the baptism at English Bicknor?)
Harriet - 2 - born in County
William - 4 - born in County

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1861 Census English Bicknor

Harriett EVANS Widow - 47 - born English Bicknor
William - 20
Mary Anne - 13 ***
Ann - 11 (? is this Angelina - see 1871 census)

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Baptism at English Bicknor: 19 November 1848

EVANS, Mary Anne

mother's forenames: Harriett
residence: New Weir

occupation: Harriet EVANS comes separate from her husband who (no text after the word who)

and 1851 Census, Monmouthshire, Monmouth, District 2e - page 44 of 60 Union Workhouse

Mary Ann EVANS, pauper 3 - born English Bicknor - and these notes which can't quite make out....

.....mitted No. 20 Schedule 141 ??????

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1871 Census, Glos. English Bicknor

Harriet EVANS - 58 - Charwoman, born Herefordshire, Welsh Bicknor
Angelina EVANS - 20 - born Glos. English Bicknor (in the last column 'idiot')

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1881 Census, English Bicknor
Tump Farm

ADDI

Richard - 44, born Glos. St Briavels
Susan - 43 - born English Bicknor
Sarah Ann - 23 - born Coleford
Harriet EVANS, mother-in-law - widow - 67 formerly laundress, born English Bicknor
Augusta E - grand-daughter 3

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FOD records, Marriage at English Bicknor - 21 September 1857

The only question is ??? - when Susan EVANS, married Richard ADDIS - at English Bicknor 26 September 1857 - Susan gives her father's name as Thomas EVANS, labourer - but she was born c1837/1838 after Stephen was transported in 1833.

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1901 Census, Wales, Monmouthshire, West Dean
Shortstanding

Richard ADDIS - 64, Carter on Farm Glos St Briavels
Susan ADDIS - 63, born Glos. English Bicknor
Harriet EVANS - 86 - born English Bicknor
Avis JONES, grand-daughter - 4 born Glos West Dean.

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FOD records

Burial at English Bicknor - 10 May 1903

Harriet EVANS,
age at death: 82
residence: English Bicknor
cause of death: 95?
Register reference: from 1813

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FOD records

Burial at English Bicknor

17 February 1932

Susannah ADDIS
residence: Christ Church near Coleford

age at death: 94 (c1838)

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Workhouses

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Monmouth

Stephen EVANS and Harriett FROWN from English Bicknor (reply)

celticmagick — Wed, 21 Nov 2012 03:51:12 +0000

Hi,

thank you so much for the info. Hmmm Food for thought!
Lots of work to do with this one.

You have given me a starting point checking the transcriptions
Good point

Have a great day.

Stephen EVANS and Harriett FROWN from English Bicknor (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 20 Nov 2012 07:42:52 +0000

It would be worth checking the transcription just in case the birth date is 1833...

Year 1837
Month Jun
Day 4
Parents Surname EVANS
Child Forenames Susannah
Fathers Forenames
Mothers Forenames Harriet the wife of Stephen Evans transported for life in ye year 1833
Mothers Surname
Residence Coldwell
Occupation Labourer
Officiating Minister Edward Feild Rector
Event Baptism
Memoranda Mar 18 1837
Notes birth date in left margin other note across columns
Register Reference P138 in 1/5
Page Number 63
Parish Chapel English Bicknor

or is this Harriet /Susan in the 1841 Census ? In which case there are the other children !

1841 Sparrowhill
John Phillips abt 1801 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Hannah Evans abt 1811 Newland, Gloucestershire
Dinah Evans abt 1831 Newland, Gloucestershire
Henry Evans abt 1834 Newland, Gloucestershire
Susan Evans abt 1838 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire

harriet ?

Year: 1812
Month: Oct
Day: 25
Parents_Surname: FROWEN
Child_Forenames: Harriet
Fathers_Forenames: not stated
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P138 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 32
Parish_Chapel: English Bicknor

Stephen EVANS and Harriett FROWN from English Bicknor

celticmagick — Tue, 20 Nov 2012 07:32:24 +0000

Hi all,

I have searched all the parish records on this site and the census's for a child of Stephen Evans and Harriett Frowen.

Stephen and Harriett were married in English Bicknor on the 11th of May 1833.
Stephen was convicted and transported to Tasmania Australia later that same year.

On his convict records he states that he has a wife Harriett and a child at Ledbrook at the time 1833-1834.

I have found a child named Susanna who Harriett gave birth to in 1837 so it is impossible that she is the child. On her birth record it states that Harriett is the wife of Stephen who has been transported and the fathers name is blank.

I have been unable to find the death of this missing child also.

I am hoping someone can help me locate Stephens child that was left behind with Harriett.

Stephen Evans is my great great grandfather.

regards
Mary in Australia