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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi again Chris,<br />
have you searched thro&#039; all the CWGC site entries as I suggested last night ?. Laborious task I know but it may help give next-of-kin details. <br />
Please advise as I&#039;m happy to go thro&#039; them myself but would prefer to know first if you&#039;ve already done so.<br />
Thanks J</p>
<p>PS Regarding the earlier discussion of soldiers enlisting in Abergavenny, which of course provided men for the Monmouthshire Regiment as well as the Borderers, I&#039;ve just found this site which may be usefull for future research of this type. This excellent site lists and includes backgroud details of all the men on Abergavenny&#039;s Memorial.  <br />
<a href="http://historypoints.org/index.php?page=abergavenny-war-memorial-fww">http://historypoints.org/index.php?page=abergavenny-war-memorial-fww</a></p>
<p>In fact this is just one section within a website to War Memorials all across Wales. The site has an excellent search engine, eg enter &quot;Marshall&quot; and it lists several Memorials which include this name.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mike,<br />
I did search for a site such as this but without your skills it seems !<br />
More importantly, what beautifull Memorials, thanks so much for posting.<br />
Jeff.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mike, a lot to look over and hopefully bring this search to a conclusion.  Will advise via the forum.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Starting off with some strays in Yorkshire:-</p>
<p>1911 Census, Castle ford, Yorks.</p>
<p>Albert Parsons, Head, 42, Married 22 years (=1889) Coal Miner Hewer, b. Glos. Forest of Dean<br />
Elizabeth          , Wife, 42, b. Glos. Forest of Dean<br />
Vida A.J . Booth  ,Daur, 22 , b. Glos. Forest of Dean<br />
Albert J. Parsons, Son, 17, ? Cleaner Glass Works, b. Yorks. Castleford<br />
William H. Parsons, Son, 13, School, b. Yorks, Castleford<br />
Frederick Parsons, 11, Son, 11, School, B. Yorks, Castleford<br />
Nora M. Parsons, Daur, 4, b. Yorks, Castleford<br />
Archie Booth, Son-in-law, 21, Driver below gound, b. Yorks, Castleford<br />
John Marshall, Nephew, 27, Labourer, ?? Company, b. Glos, Newtown</p>
<p>Albert’s marriage:-</p>
<p>Record_ID: 21050<br />
Entry_Number: 160<br />
Year: 1888<br />
Month: May<br />
Day: 20<br />
Grooms_Surname: PARSONS<br />
Grooms_Forenames: Albert<br />
Grooms_Age: 20<br />
Groom_Condition: Bachelor<br />
Grooms_Occupation: Coal miner<br />
Grooms_Residence: Ruardean Hill<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Parsons<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Benjamin<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Coal miner deceased<br />
Brides_Surname: SEVERNE<br />
Brides_Forenames: Elizabeth<br />
Brides_Age: 21<br />
Brides_Condition: Spinster<br />
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]<br />
Brides_Residence: Ruardean Hill<br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Severne<br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Charles<br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Coal miner<br />
Licence_or_Banns: Banns<br />
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]<br />
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign<br />
Witness_1: William Wilce<br />
Witness_2: Mark of Lortitia Tippins<br />
Other_Witnesses: <br />
Officiating_Minister: William Barker Vicar<br />
Event: Marriage<br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/8<br />
Page_Number: 80<br />
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook</p>
<p>The link with the Marshall family??  Was Agnes Elizabeth’s sister?</p>
<p>Record_ID 3179<br />
Entry_Number 315<br />
Year 1880<br />
Month Dec<br />
Day 28<br />
Grooms_Surname MARSHALL<br />
Grooms_Forenames William<br />
Grooms_Age 29<br />
Groom_Condition Bachelor<br />
Grooms_Occupation Labourer<br />
Grooms_Residence Cinderford<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname Marshall<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames William<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation Labourer<br />
Brides_Surname SEVERN<br />
Brides_Forenames Agnes Martha<br />
Brides_Age 20<br />
Brides_Condition Spinster<br />
Brides_Occupation [not stated]<br />
Brides_Residence Cinderford<br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname Severn<br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames Cha[rle]s<br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation Labourer<br />
Licence_or_Banns Banns<br />
Date_of_Banns <br />
Signature_or_Mark Both mark<br />
Witness_1 Mark of James Brooks<br />
Witness_2 Mark of Maria Brooks<br />
Other_Witnesses <br />
Officiating_Minister W[illia]m Lynes Vicar<br />
Event Marriage<br />
Memoranda <br />
Notes <br />
Register_Reference P85/1 IN 1/5<br />
Page_Number 158<br />
Parish_Chapel Cinderford St John</p>
<p>And John’s baptism:-</p>
<p>Record_ID 130010<br />
Entry_Number 759<br />
Year 1883<br />
Month Nov<br />
Day 18<br />
Parents_Surname MARSHALL<br />
Child_Forenames John<br />
Fathers_Forenames W[illia]m<br />
Mothers_Forenames Agnes<br />
Mothers_Surname <br />
Residence New Town East Dean<br />
Occupation Labourer<br />
Officiating_Minister C A Borrer Rector<br />
Event Baptism<br />
Memoranda <br />
Notes <br />
Register_Reference AG68/6<br />
Page_Number 95<br />
Parish_Chapel Hope Mansell</p>
<p>The obvious problem is that this all relates to an area just north of Cinderford. I can’t see a link with this John Marshall and Clearwell.</p>
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<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2014 19:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps by using the Advance Search - you may find answers e.g.  (although  John Snr would be too old…) on the 1891 census John MARSHALL is aged 37…</p>
<p>1891 census, Yorkley</p>
<p>MARSHALL - John 37, Clara 34,<br />
children, Reuben 15, William 13, Bessie 11, Harry 9, <strong>Albert 7</strong>, Tom 5, Minnie 3 and Fred 1 month</p>
<p>John has 6 sons, and none have his name on census returns - unless they are known by their middle name(s)???</p>
<p>-</p>
<p>Glosbdm</p>
<p>John MARSHALL married Clara BLUNT at the Forest of Dean Register Office 1878</p>
<p>Albert<strong> John </strong>MARSHALL - birth registered 1883 - Forest of Dean, Monmouth Coleford</p>
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<p>By searching for Marriages etc at Clearwell for Marshall  (this appears the only MARSHALL at Clearwell)</p>
<p>we have</p>
<p>21 April 1913</p>
<p>Albert MARSHALL aged 27, Bachelor, Miner - residence, Ellwood, Clearwell  (?is he known as John)</p>
<p>father: John MARSHALL (deceased)</p>
<p>married Elizabeth Blanche JONES</p>
<p>witnesses: John JONES and <strong>Minnie MARSHALL</strong></p>
<p>etc etc</p>
<p>- on GlosBDM can&#039;t see any MARSHALL/JONES births registered at all after 1913</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks.  The memorial is to those who gave their lives.<br />
I will just keep on searching - I don&#039;t give up too easily!</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mike, I got that but who was he? that is the question</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like these were men who died.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~engcots/ClearwellPhotos.html">http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~engcots/ClearwellPhotos.html</a></p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chris,<br />
here&#039;s his record on this site&#039;s WW1 database, which I&#039;m sure you&#039;ve seen, clearly not too much is readily known about him ??.</p>
<p><span style="color:#030;">Forest of Dean WW1 Servicemen<br />
Transcript Details</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#030;">Record_ID: 3501 <br />
Year: _ <br />
Surname: MARSHALL <br />
Forename: John <br />
Rank: Private <br />
Regiment: _ <br />
Service_Number: _ <br />
Residence: Clearwell <br />
Notes_1: _ <br />
Notes_2: _ <br />
Newspaper: _ <br />
Date_Published: _ <br />
Image: _ <br />
Soundex: M624 </span></p>
<p>Do you know whether Clearwell Memorial is commemorating all those who served, or &quot;only&quot; those who gave their lives ?</p>
<p>The CWGC site lists over 260+ &quot;J Marshall&quot;s, at least 60 of these are definitely Johns, who died during the War. Have you searched their database, a long job I know but sometimes their records include details of nextofkin which are very helpfull. ?<br />
I suspect this entry MAY be the same man you mention, Abergavenny being in the SW Borderers&#039; &quot;catchment&quot; area. <br />
<a href="http://www.drillhalls.org/TownAbergavenny.htm">http://www.drillhalls.org/TownAbergavenny.htm</a>  </p>
<p><span style="color:#030;">MARSHALL, JOHN<br />
Rank:Private<br />
Service No:8924<br />
Date of Death:21/08/1915<br />
Regiment/Service:South Wales Borderers<br />
 2nd Bn. <br />
Panel ReferencePanel 80 to 84 or 219 and 220.<br />
MemorialHELLES MEMORIAL<br />
Additional Information:<br />
 </span><br />
<a href="http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/688331/MARSHALL,%20JOHN">http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/688331/MARSHALL,%20JOHN</a></p>
<p>Helles suggests the Gallipoli / Dardanelles campaign.</p>
<p>??????</p>
<p>I&#039;ve tried searching the BNA and Welsh Newspapers websites but to no avail, unfortunately &quot;Marshall&quot; supplies many thousands of newspaper hits relating to Field-Marshalls and the like...</p>
<p>Most WW1 mentions of Clearwell relate to Pte George Miles, who was awarded the V.C. <br />
???<br />
<a href="http://www.glosters.org/milesvc.htm">http://www.glosters.org/milesvc.htm</a></p>
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<p>Searching this site&#039;s PRs for Marshall in Clearwell gives;<br />
Record_ID: 31225 <br />
Entry_Number: 271 <br />
Year: 1913 <br />
Month: Apr <br />
Day: 21 <br />
Grooms_Surname: MARSHALL <br />
Grooms_Forenames: Albert <br />
Grooms_Age: 27 <br />
Groom_Condition: Bachelor <br />
Grooms_Occupation: Miner <br />
Grooms_Residence: Ellwood Clearwell <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: <strong>Marshall </strong><br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: <strong>John </strong><br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: <strong>Deceased </strong><br />
Brides_Surname: JONES <br />
Brides_Forenames: Elizabeth Blanche <br />
Brides_Age: 22 <br />
Brides_Condition: Spinster <br />
Brides_Occupation: [not stated] <br />
Brides_Residence: Ellwood Clearwell <br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Jones <br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Richard <br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Carpenter <br />
Licence_or_Banns: Banns <br />
Date_of_Banns: [not stated] <br />
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign <br />
Witness_1: John Jones <br />
Witness_2: Minnie Marshall <br />
Other_Witnesses:  <br />
Officiating_Minister: William Robinson <br />
Event: Marriage <br />
Memoranda:  <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P88 IN 1/5 <br />
Page_Number: 136 <br />
Parish_Chapel: <strong>Clearwell</strong> <br />
Soundex_Groom: M624 <br />
Soundex_Bride: J520 </p>
<p>I wonder if tracing this family might produce another younger John Marshall ?.</p>
<p>I also find this Record that MIGHT possibly be connected to this quest ?</p>
<p>Record_ID: 84055 <br />
Entry_Number: 266 <br />
Year: 1918 <br />
Month: Jun <br />
Day: 24 <br />
Grooms_Surname: <strong>MARSHALL </strong><br />
Grooms_Forenames: <strong>Albert John </strong><br />
Grooms_Age: 25 <br />
Groom_Condition: Bachelor <br />
Grooms_Occupation: <strong>Serving in HM Forces </strong><br />
Grooms_Residence: not stated <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Marshall <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: John Henry <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Caretaker <br />
Brides_Surname: TAYLOR <br />
Brides_Forenames: Mabel Florence Ellen <br />
Brides_Age: 24 <br />
Brides_Condition: Spinster <br />
Brides_Occupation:  <br />
Brides_Residence: Tregarth Hartpury <br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Taylor <br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Walter Frederick <br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Retired postman <br />
Licence_or_Banns: Licence <br />
Date_of_Banns:  <br />
Signature_or_Mark: both sign <br />
Witness_1: Walter Frederick Taylor <br />
Witness_2: Florence Bessie Watkins <br />
Other_Witnesses: E H Taylor <br />
Officiating_Minister: Nathan Jones Vicar <br />
Event: Marriage <br />
Memoranda:  <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P165 IN 1/18 <br />
Page_Number: 133 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Hartpury <br />
Soundex_Groom: M624 <br />
Soundex_Bride: T460</p>
<p>???</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can anyone give me a steer as to who John Marshall was please?  This man appears on the War Memorial in St Peter&#039;s Church, Clearwell but I can find nothing about him locally.  I have found one man who was born in Bristol and enlisted at Abergavenny around 1914 but nothing else - could this be him?  Any ideas please?</p>
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