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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess this is the marriage referred to for Edwin HUTTON:-</p>
<p>From FamilySearch General Register:-</p>
<p>Name  Edwin Leonard Hutton<br />
Event Type  Marriage<br />
Registration Quarter  Apr-May-Jun<br />
Registration Year  1891<br />
Registration District  Pontypool<br />
County  Monmouthshire<br />
Event Place  Pontypool, Monmouthshire, England<br />
Volume  11A<br />
Page  229<br />
Line Number  219<br />
Edwin Leonard Hutton probably married one of the following people<br />
Name  Caroline Davies<br />
Name  Mary James<br />
Name  Jabez Matthews</p>
<p>And from FamilySearch parish records:-</p>
<p>Name  Edwin Hutton<br />
Event Type  Marriage<br />
Event Date  08 Apr 1891<br />
Event Place  Mamheilad [Mamhilad], Monmouthshire, Wales<br />
Age  26<br />
Birth Year (Estimated)  1865<br />
Spouse&#039;s Name  Mary James</p>
<p>In 1881 it looks like Edwin <em>(Edward sic – he is also referred to as Edward in the 1911 Census}</em> was here in the household of his uncle:-</p>
<p>GR 1881 Census, Doward Farm, Ganarew, Heref,</p>
<p>Wm WILLIAMS, Head, Mar, 53, Farmer of 100 acres, b. Heref. Ganarew<br />
Elizabeth, Wife, Mar, 52, Heref. Llangarren<br />
Edward L. HUTTON, Nephew, Un, 15, Farm servant indoors. Heref. Llangarren<br />
Thomas ALLAWAY, Servant, Un, 15, Farm servant indoors. Heref. Ganarew</p>
<p>Elizabeth must be the sister of Charles HUTTON as identified in Jeff’s 1841 Census post above.</p>
<p>The marriage from FamiySearch:-</p>
<p>Name  Elizabeth Hutton<br />
Event Type  Marriage<br />
Registration Quarter  Jan-Feb-Mar<br />
Registration Year  1853<br />
Registration District  Ross<br />
County  Herefordshire<br />
Event Place  Ross, Herefordshire, England<br />
Volume  6A<br />
Page  671<br />
Line Number  9<br />
Elizabeth Hutton probably married one of the following people<br />
Name  William Williams</p>
<p>If Edwin HUTTON and Mary were married in Mamhilad there should be some indication of their presence in the neighbourhood. This for Mary JAMES:-</p>
<p>GR 1891 Census, Cwm, Monmouth<br />
Mon, Cwm<br />
Eli BISHOP, Head, Mar, Head, 28, Labourer Iron Works, b. Mon, Cwm<br />
Alice, Wife, Mar, 27, Mon, Cwm<br />
Gladys, Daur, 6, Scholar, Mon,  Cwm<br />
Fred, Son, 3, Scholar, Mon, Cwm<br />
Gertrude, Daur, 2, Mon, Cwm<br />
Mary JAMES, Visitor, S, 28, Hereford, Whitchurch<br />
Edwin DREW, Visitor, S, 27, Labourer Iron Works, Mon, Monmouth <em>[on second view it looks more like OVEN]<br />
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Cwm is not that far from Mamhilad.</p>
<p>It might be very revealing if we can find Edwin HUTTON in the 1891 Census. This would be only a few days before his possible marriage.</p>
<p>As for Mary’s baptism:-</p>
<p>FamilySearch</p>
<p>Name  Mary Anne James<br />
Gender  Female<br />
Christening Date  13 Jul 1862<br />
Christening Place  WHITCHURCH,HEREFORD,ENGLAND<br />
Father&#039;s Name  James James<br />
Mother&#039;s Name  Ann</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Phil, I&#039;ve got to get back to fixing my dead C/H boiler, can&#039;t think why but the missus is complaining...maybe I should have fixed it in the summer months ?...!.<br />
Have you tried searching LDS from the links we posted ?.  It&#039;s an excellent site with stacks of info, just takes time to search them out which sadly I don&#039;t have at the mo. <br />
All the best, Jeff.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you gentlemen, anything on mary james ??? ( married edwin hutton )</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, here they are in 1841 ref Familysearch</p>
<p>Event Type Census<br />
Event Date 1841<br />
Event Place Llangarron, Herefordshire, England<br />
Residence Note Old Pounds</p>
<p>HOUSEHOLD ROLE GENDER AGE BIRTHPLACE</p>
<p>James Hutton  M 40-44 Herefordshire<br />
Elizabeth Hutton  F 36-40 Herefordshire<br />
Elizabeth Hutton  F 12 Herefordshire<br />
Harriet Hutton  F 10 Herefordshire<br />
James Hutton  M 7 Herefordshire<br />
Eliza Hutton  F 5 Herefordshire<br />
Emma Hutton  F 2 Herefordshire</p>
<p>&quot;England and Wales Census, 1841,FamilySearch&quot;</p>
<p>Searching the 1861 Census, albeit individually, suggests the parents are still In Llangarron;</p>
<p>James born 1801, Much Dewchurch, Herefordshire<br />
Elzabeth born 1805, Garway, Herefordshire.</p>
<p>Searching LDS again appears to give James&#039; parents thus;</p>
<p>Name James Hutton<br />
Gender Male<br />
Christening Date 1802<br />
Christening Place MUCH DEWCHURCH, HEREFORD, ENGLAND<br />
Father&#039;s Name Nicholas Hutton<br />
Mother&#039;s Name Catharine</p>
<p>Which gives;<br />
Name Nicholas Hutton<br />
Spouse&#039;s Name Catharine Watkins<br />
Event Date 24 Apr 1799<br />
Event Place Much Dewchurch,Hereford,England<br />
&quot;England Marriages, 1538–1973 ,&quot; database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N268-B4P : accessed 22 November 2015), </p>
<p>Phil, all these records are available f-o-c by searching the excellent LDS aka Familysearch website, just take care to be methodical and always ensure the correct filters etc are ticked, good luck !</p>
<p><a href="https://familysearch.org/search">https://familysearch.org/search</a></p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mike for your kind words, it&#039;s nice to be back amongst all you good folk !</p>
<p>Thanks too for explaining your thinking, very smart; it&#039;s been sometime since I&#039;ve used LDS, over-reliant on Ancestry I guess, so thanks for giving me a much-needed refresher course, need to get my grey matter working a bit harder again !. </p>
<p>Yes, I can&#039;t fault your logic, if he says that&#039;s his birthplace then your suggested parents seems perfectly likely to me, well done sir.</p>
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<p>Re Charles Hutton the hairdresser, he&#039;s listed in the 1856 Post Office Directory of Herefordshire.  This is the oldest Directory for this area in the excellent Trade Directories site, hopefully this general link will work.<br />
<a href="http://specialcollections.le.ac.uk/cdm/map/collection/p16445coll4">http://specialcollections.le.ac.uk/cdm/map/collection/p16445coll4</a></p>
<p>HUttons listed in this Directory include  </p>
<p>&quot;Henry Hutton, fishmonger &amp; poulterer, Corps Cross St, Ross.<br />
John Hutton, Carpenter, Hoarwithy.<br />
Mrs Elizabeth Hutton, Milliner, Hoarwithy. (John&#039;s wife?)<br />
C.Hutton, Hairdresser, Gloster Rd, Ross.<br />
T.Hutton, Lodginghouse keeper, Bye St, Hereford.</p>
<p>Hopefully these maybe of some help/interest to Phil.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeff,</p>
<p>A belated welcome back, by the way. It was just a simple search with surname HUTTON (and no forename) with Weonards as the birthplace. I don&#039;t know if the result was correct but it&#039;s possible.</p>
<p>Yes, there are more Charles HUTTONs in the Ross area at the time. One of them is a hairdresser who appears in the BNA in relation to a stabbing by his brother, Thomas. I don&#039;t think he is the correct person though.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike,<br />
your &quot;closest&quot; is better than I&#039;ve been doing, so well done I say !<br />
Not sure of your method of search, I don&#039;t have Ancestry at the mo, so only Familysearch like you. I maybe wrong but there seems to be more than one Charles HUtton in the Ross &quot;area&quot; at abt our time, judging by the census returns ? (not to mention several Chas HAttons too !).  Please advise how you found our man&#039;s parents - I can only see Charles in the 1841 &amp; 1851 census as an employee, so not in his parents household, nor can I see a Baptism for him, so..?.<br />
Not ! that I don&#039;t believe your findings, just want to learn your method, please.</p>
<p>Phil, <br />
Re Charles &amp; Maryanne&#039;s children, I cannot see Edwin&#039;s baptism, but I have found these;</p>
<p>Name George Hutton<br />
Gender Male<br />
Christening Date 11 Nov 1855<br />
Christening Place Welsh Newton, Hereford, England<br />
Father&#039;s Name Charles Hutton<br />
Mother&#039;s Name Maryanne<br />
CITING THIS RECORD</p>
<p>&quot;England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975,&quot; database, FamilySearch</p>
<p><br />
Name Sarah Ann Hutton<br />
Gender Female<br />
Christening Date 1853<br />
Christening Place WELSH NEWTON, HEREFORD, ENGLAND<br />
Father&#039;s Name Charles Hutton<br />
Mother&#039;s Name Mary Ann<br />
CITING THIS RECORD</p>
<p>&quot;England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975,&quot; database, FamilySearch</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It also might be possible to make a family out of this from FamilySearch:-</p>
<p>Hutton<br />
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975<br />
christening:<br />
26 December 1823<br />
SAINT WEONARDS, HEREFORD, ENGLAND<br />
father:<br />
James Hutton<br />
mother:<br />
Elizabeth</p>
<p>Mary Anne Hutton<br />
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975<br />
christening:<br />
30 April 1826<br />
LLANGARREN, HEREFORD, ENGLAND<br />
residence:<br />
Llangarren, Hereford, England<br />
father:<br />
James Hutton<br />
mother:<br />
Elizabeth</p>
<p>Harriot Hutton<br />
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975<br />
christening:<br />
6 February 1831<br />
LLANGARREN, HEREFORD, ENGLAND<br />
father:<br />
James Hutton<br />
mother:<br />
Elizabeth</p>
<p>James Hutton<br />
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975<br />
christening:<br />
26 January 1834<br />
LLANGARREN, HEREFORD, ENGLAND<br />
residence:<br />
Llangarren, Hereford, England<br />
father:<br />
James Hutton<br />
mother:<br />
Elizabeth</p>
<p>Eliza Hutton<br />
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975<br />
christening:<br />
17 April 1836<br />
LLANGARREN, HEREFORD, ENGLAND<br />
residence:<br />
Llangarren, Hereford, England<br />
father:<br />
James Hutton<br />
mother:<br />
Elizabeth<br />
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Emma Hutton<br />
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975<br />
christening:<br />
17 February 1839<br />
LLANGARREN, HEREFORD, ENGLAND<br />
father:<br />
James Hutton<br />
mother:<br />
Elizabeth<br />
    <br />
Emma Hutton<br />
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975<br />
christening:<br />
7 April 1839<br />
LLANGARREN, HEREFORD, ENGLAND<br />
father:<br />
James Hutton<br />
mother:<br />
Elizabeth</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The closest I can get is this from FamilySearch:-</p>
<p>Name:          Hutton<br />
Gender:  Male<br />
Baptism Date:  26 Dec 1823<br />
Baptism Place:  Saint Weonards,Hereford,England<br />
Father:  James Hutton<br />
Mother:  Elizabeth</p>
<p>And this marriage from the same source:-</p>
<p>Name  James Hutton<br />
Spouse&#039;s Name  Elizabeth Lewis<br />
Event Date  17 Jul 1823<br />
Event Place  Saint Weonards,Hereford,England</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks mike, any luck tracing charles hutton b abt 1826 ( censuses say st weonards / llangarron/ and just herefordshire, he had a son edwin b1865, llangarron, edwin then married mary james in pontypool 1891, i am trying to search her family too, edwin and mary had a son samuel b1898 in whitchurch,f8 herefordshire, he was a prisoner of war in 1917 after the battle of messines, belguim.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BNA Hereford Journal - Wednesday 28 January 1829</p>
<p>HEREFORD<br />
WEDNESDAY JANUARY 28</p>
<p>On Tuesday was married, at St. Weonards, Mr. William Seborne to Miss Mary Preddy, both of that parish.</p>
<p>FamilySearch:-</p>
<p>Name  William Seborn<br />
Spouse&#039;s Name  Anne Priddy<br />
Event Date  20 Jan 1829<br />
Event Place  Saint Weonards,Hereford,England</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks, now for the huttons,</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FamilySearch:-</p>
<p>Name                  Mary Seaborne<br />
Gender                  Female<br />
Christening Date  14 Jun 1829<br />
Christening Place  SAINT WEONARDS,HEREFORD,ENGLAND<br />
Father&#039;s Name          William Seaborne<br />
Mother&#039;s Name          Anne</p>
<p>Also FamilySearch, 1841 Census:-</p>
<p>Name  Mary Ann Seborne<br />
Event Type  Census<br />
Event Date  1841<br />
Event Place  St Weonard, Herefordshire, England<br />
Residence Note  Partridge Nest<br />
Gender  Female<br />
Age  12<br />
Age (Original)  12<br />
Birth Year (Estimated)  1829<br />
Birthplace  Herefordshire<br />
Registration District  Ross<br />
Book Number  15<br />
Parish  St Weonard<br />
County  Herefordshire</p>
<p>1841 Census Household<br />
 <br />
Role                  Gender     Age           Birthplace<br />
William Seborne  M  35-39        Herefordshire<br />
Ann Seborne   F  35-39        Herefordshire<br />
Mary Ann Seborne  F  12        Herefordshire<br />
Thomas Seborne          M  9        Herefordshire<br />
William Seborne  M  4        Herefordshire<br />
Eliza Seborne   F  7 month       Herefordshire<br />
John Gwatkin   M  11        Herefordshire<br />
William Gwatkin  M  8        Herefordshire</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, can anyone help in researching a relation of mine, charles hutton b abt 1825, llangarron or st weonsrds, married a mary anne seaborn b abt 1830 st weonards in 1852 st weonards, i&#039;m looking for the parents of both and any othet info please,</p>
<p>Regards phil</p>
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