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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mike, you&#039;re a star !</p>
<p>Searching the BNA site gives this story which nicely fits his Marriage in 1911, hopefully more to follow;</p>
<p>&quot;An old and respected member of the Bath Police is retiring on pension after 27 years&#039; service — P.C. Gilson. For several years past he has been a houseman at the central station. The vacancy was filled to-day by the appointment of Sidney E. Tingle, Cinderford man.&quot; </p>
<p>Bath Chronicle &amp; Weekly Gazette - Thursday 5 May 1910</p>
<p>Oddly I cannot find any other references to Sydney, or Edmund, especially his death.<br />
??</p>
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<p>Also found adverts around the 1910-1917 time for Tingle Brothers of Cinderford, who were clearly an engineering/foundry business. It seems they were doing well as were advertising for good staff. </p>
<p>I suspect this is the company&#039;s owner; an article in Gloucester Journal of Saturday 14 July 1917 describes Mr A.E. Tingle of Cinderford presiding at a meeting of the Technical Committee at Lydney Institute.</p>
<p>Another article in Glos Chronicle of Saturday 18 March 1916 describing a meeting of the East Dean Urban District Council states Mr A.E. Tingle is Chairman of the Water Committee. They also discuss a claim by Mr A.S.Chew of Steam Mills wrt his traction engine, and the council&#039;s Road Surveyor is a Mr A.E.Teague - see below wrt these names..</p>
<p>Other articles show Mr A.E. Tingle was on the Westbury Board of Guardians, clearly he was held in some regard locally.</p>
<p>As a mechanical engineer myself, born near Bilson Green and a St Stephens churchgoer too, this family interests me !</p>
<p>From this site;<br />
Record_ID: 24948<br />
Entry_Number: 10<br />
Year: 1891<br />
Month: Jul<br />
Day: 13<br />
Grooms_Surname: TINGLE<br />
Grooms_Forenames: Alfred Elam<br />
Grooms_Age: 26<br />
Groom_Condition: Bachelor<br />
Grooms_Occupation: Engineer<br />
Grooms_Residence: Bilson Green Cinderford<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Tingle<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Joseph<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Engineer<br />
Brides_Surname: DUBBERLEY<br />
Brides_Forenames: Rose Agnes Rudge<br />
Brides_Age: 20<br />
Brides_Condition: Spinster<br />
Brides_Occupation: <br />
Brides_Residence: Bilson Green Cinderford<br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Dubberley<br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: James<br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: James<br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier<br />
Licence_or_Banns: Banns<br />
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]<br />
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign<br />
Witness_1: Samuel George Moore<br />
Witness_2: Jane Moore<br />
Other_Witnesses: <br />
Officiating_Minister: J. F. Young Rector of Kingswood<br />
Event: Marriage<br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P85/2 1N 1/6<br />
Page_Number: 5<br />
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St Stephen<br />
Soundex_Groom: T524<br />
Soundex_Bride: D164</p>
<p>(Is father Joseph the same as the &quot;Iron founder of Bilson Woodside&quot; listed here ?)<br />
<a href="https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~cbennett/genealogy/newnham1868.htm">https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~cbennett/genealogy/newnham1868.htm</a></p>
<p><br />
GlosBMD Birth Details</p>
<p>Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother&#039;s Former Name Year District Office Register Entry<br />
TINGLE Alfred Elam TINGLE TINGLE TEAGUE 1863 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 24 167</p>
<p><br />
FreeBMD Death </p>
<p>Surname   Given Name   Age   District <br />
Deaths Dec 1949<br />
Tingle Alfred E. 86 F.of Dean </p>
<p>I wonder if his Teague mother was linked to the illustrious iron founder James Teague of Whitecliff and Moses (his son?) of Darkhill fame ? <br />
<a href="http://www.forest-of-dean.net/fodmembers/index.php?id=17737">http://www.forest-of-dean.net/fodmembers/index.php?id=17737</a></p>
<p><br />
I don&#039;t know(yet) for sure but it seems likely the Whitecliff Teagues are linked to this later business on the outskirts of Cinderford; Teague and Chew Iron Foundry, Steam Mills, c1950.<br />
<a href="http://forest-of-dean.net/gallery/hale_people/pages/page_8.html">http://forest-of-dean.net/gallery/hale_people/pages/page_8.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.forest-of-dean.net/fodmembers/index.php?id=5698">http://www.forest-of-dean.net/fodmembers/index.php?id=5698</a></p>
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<p>UPDATE:<br />
Well, it does look like the Steam Mills Teagues are linked to James, as this Directory from 1902 includes these entries;</p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">TEAGUE Moses Edward, Steam Mills  (Private Residents)</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">TEAGUE, CHEW &amp; FLEMING, engineers &amp; millwrights (Commercial)</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">TINGLE BROS., iron founders &amp; engineers (Commercial)</span><br />
<a href="https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~cbennett/genealogy/cinderford1902.htm">https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~cbennett/genealogy/cinderford1902.htm</a></p>
<p>This 1894 Directory carries similar entries<br />
<a href="https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~cbennett/genealogy/cinderford1894.htm">https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~cbennett/genealogy/cinderford1894.htm</a></p>
<p>I wonder if Moses Edward is a descendant of Moses of Darkhill fame ?.</p>
<p>From this site;<br />
Record_ID: 249527<br />
Entry_Number: 1036<br />
Year: 1924<br />
Month: Mar<br />
Day: 23<br />
Surname: TEAGUE<br />
Forenames: Moses Edward<br />
Residence: Bowson House Cinderford<br />
Age_at_death: 67 years<br />
Officiating_Minister: W M Bellamy Vicar<br />
Event: Burial<br />
Cause_of_death: <br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/14<br />
Page_No: 130<br />
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook<br />
Soundex: T200</p>
<p>Bowson House; <a href="http://www.forest-of-dean.net/fodmembers/index.php?id=46755">http://www.forest-of-dean.net/fodmembers/index.php?id=46755</a></p>
<p>Birth Details</p>
<p>Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother&#039;s Former Name Year District Office <br />
TEAGUE Moses Edward TEAGUE TEAGUE BOUGHTON 1856 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham</p>
<p><br />
Marriage Details</p>
<p>Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building   Year  <br />
TEAGUE Edward BOUGHTON Mary Forest of Dean Drybrook Holy Trinity  1847</p>
<p>Also see this prior thread;<br />
<a href="https://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=28599">https://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=28599</a></p>
<p><br />
???  More work needed to link to Darkhill Moses... this thread and Census Records should help, is indeed son of Edward &amp; Mary, a mechanical engineer etc, marries in 1887 in India to the daughter of a Glasgow (heavy engineering) boilermaker ?!<br />
<a href="http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1341144">http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1341144</a></p>
<p>Also see <a href="http://www.forest-of-dean.net/fodmembers/index.php?id=45879">http://www.forest-of-dean.net/fodmembers/index.php?id=45879</a></p>
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As well as the Teagues I see Tingles were engineering in Cinderford area since the early days</p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">&quot;In 1831 William Tingle and William Cooper obtained permission to build a machine for grinding ochre on Cinderford (or Soudley) brook in Ruspidge, evidently on the site west of the brook where William Crawshay and Moses Teague owned a paint mill in 1838.&quot; </span><br />
<a href="http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/glos/vol5/pp326-354">http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/glos/vol5/pp326-354</a></p>
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I wonder if these Tingles are linked to those of Tingle&#039;s Level Iron mine up above Cinderford at Edge Hills, where we used to &quot;muck about&quot; as kids in the early 70s.  The mine is mentioned in NIcholl&#039;s book &quot;Iron Making in Olden Times&quot; from 1866, full transcript in this site,<br />
<a href="https://forest-of-dean.net/joomla/index.php/iron-making-nicholls">https://forest-of-dean.net/joomla/index.php/iron-making-nicholls</a></p>
<p>??</p>
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<title>Edmund TINGLE, a WW1 Gunner from Cinderford (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This must be his family,</p>
<p>GR 1891 Census, Ruspidge</p>
<p>Edmund TINGLE, Head, M, 35, Coal Miner, b. East Dean, Glos.<br />
Mary A, Wife, M, 31, b. East Dean, Glos.<br />
Eliza, Daur, S, 11, Scholar, b. East Dean, Glos.<br />
Florance R, Daur, S, 9, Scholar, b. East Dean, Glos.<br />
Bertha E, Daur, S, 6, Scholar, b. East Dean, Glos.<br />
Sydney E, Son, S, 4, Scholar, b. East Dean, Glos.<br />
Alice C, Daur, S, 3, b. East Dean, Glos.<br />
Gertrude A, Daur, S, 1, b. East Dean, Glos.</p>
<p>GR 1901 Census, East Dean,</p>
<p>Edmund TINGLE, Head, M, 45, Coal Miner (Loadman) U G, b. Glos. East Dean<br />
Mary Ann, Wife, M, 41, b. Glos. East Dean<br />
Sidney, Son, S, 15, b. Glos. East Dean<br />
Alice , Daur, S, 13, b. Glos. East Dean<br />
Gertrude, Daur, S, 11, b. Glos. East Dean<br />
Ellen, Daur, S, 9, b. Glos. East Dean<br />
Emily, Daur, S, 5, b. Glos. East Dean</p>
<p>No luck yet with army records.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, may I wish my belated but heartfelt best wishes for a Happy &amp; Healthy 2016 to all forum members past &amp; present.</p>
<p>Second, I&#039;m posting in the hope this nice WW1 item will find it&#039;s way to the best possible new home, hopefully descendants of it&#039;s original owner, or a local collector. I&#039;m sorry it&#039;s a tight timescale before the auction ends, I&#039;ve only just spotted it myself. Please be assured I&#039;m in not linked to the seller or the family, I don&#039;t stand to benefit in any way from this auction, I won&#039;t be bidding. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-WW1-Brass-SNUFF-BOX-Edmund-Tingle-CINDERFORD-Glos-1917-ROYAL-ARTILLERY-/371541582289">http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-WW1-Brass-SNUFF-BOX-Edmund-Tingle-CINDERFORD-Glos-191...</a></p>
<p>The item is marked &quot;Edmund Tingle Cinderford 1917&quot;, and carries the Royal Artillery Crest. It&#039;s possibly &quot;trench art&quot; made from a used brass shell case which a member of the Artillery would obviously have access to, it&#039;s 2.5&quot; diameter suggests it may have been the base portion of a 6 pounder shell, see Figure 9 in this article.<br />
<a href="http://cartridgecollectors.org/?page=introduction-to-artillery-shells-and-shell-casings">http://cartridgecollectors.org/?page=introduction-to-artillery-shells-and-shell-casings</a><br />
By WW1 this calibre gun &amp; shell was outdated for front-line Artillery use, although some were used in anti-aircraft guns, others were still used for Home Defence and training duties. However it was used in the new British tanks, which may make this item even more desirable to a collector ?. By coincidence, the prototype of the world&#039;s first battle tank was first secretly shown to Lloyd George and the Government 100 years ago this week.<br />
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QF_6_pounder_6_cwt_Hotchkiss">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QF_6_pounder_6_cwt_Hotchkiss</a></p>
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<p>Regarding Edmund Tingle himself, since cancelling my Ancestry subs I&#039;m unable to research his War History in any detail, or show any Census data. This site’s WW1 database names four Tingles, all from Cinderford, but no Edmund. <br />
Searching this site’s PRs finds three Edmund Tingles, all in the Cinderford area. I haven&#039;t found them mentioned within any existing forum threads.</p>
<p>The first Edmund Tingle is too old to be a WW1 soldier;</p>
<p>Record_ID: 729<br />
Entry_Number: 742<br />
Year: 1858<br />
Month: Oct<br />
Day: 31<br />
Parents_Surname: TINGLE<br />
Child_Forenames: Edmund<br />
Fathers_Forenames: Robert<br />
Mothers_Forenames: Caroline<br />
Mothers_Surname: <br />
Residence: East Dean<br />
Occupation: Miner<br />
Officiating_Minister: Wickham M. Birch<br />
Event: Baptism<br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P1 IN 1/7<br />
Page_Number: 93<br />
Parish_Chapel: Abenhall<br />
Soundex: T524<br />
 <br />
Record_ID: 4848<br />
Entry_Number: 313<br />
Year: 1878<br />
Month: Nov<br />
Day: 30<br />
Grooms_Surname: TINGLE<br />
Grooms_Forenames: Edmund<br />
Grooms_Age: 23<br />
Groom_Condition: Bachelor<br />
Grooms_Occupation: Coal Miner<br />
Grooms_Residence: Bilson<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Tingle<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Robert<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Coal Miner<br />
Brides_Surname: JENKINS<br />
Brides_Forenames: Mary Ann<br />
Brides_Age: 19<br />
Brides_Condition: Spinster<br />
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]<br />
Brides_Residence: Bilson<br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Jenkins<br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Enos<br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Coal Miner<br />
Licence_or_Banns: Banns<br />
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]<br />
Signature_or_Mark: Both Sign<br />
Witness_1: George Tingle<br />
Witness_2: Sarah Bryant<br />
Other_Witnesses: <br />
Officiating_Minister: William Barker Vicar<br />
Event: Marriage<br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/7<br />
Page_Number: 157<br />
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook<br />
Soundex_Groom: T524<br />
Soundex_Bride: J525</p>
<p>His possible burial ?;<br />
Record_ID: 8638<br />
Entry_Number: 1606<br />
Year: 1937<br />
Month: Jan<br />
Day: 16<br />
Surname: TINGLE<br />
Forenames: Edmund<br />
Residence: 4 Bishopstone R[oa]d Gloucester<br />
Age_at_death: 81<br />
Officiating_Minister: Tom T Haines Vicar<br />
Event: Burial<br />
Cause_of_death: <br />
Memoranda: A/2/77<br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/15<br />
Page_No: 201<br />
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John<br />
Soundex: T524</p>
<p>The next Edmund Tingle in the PRs could easily be our soldier, indeed he dies very young and during WW1, perhaps a result of wounds, perhaps the 1917 date on the Snuff Box indicates this ?;</p>
<p>Record_ID: 7364<br />
Entry_Number: 332<br />
Year: 1918<br />
Month: Oct<br />
Day: 14<br />
Surname: TINGLE<br />
Forenames: Sidney Edmund<br />
Residence: Cinderford<br />
Age_at_death: 32<br />
Officiating_Minister: H M Biddell Vicar of S Stephens Woodside<br />
Event: Burial<br />
Cause_of_death: <br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/15<br />
Page_No: 42<br />
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John<br />
Soundex: T524</p>
<p>However, Sydney Edmund Tingle is not commemorated on Cinderford&#039;s War Memorial.<br />
<a href="http://www.memorialtranscripts.co.uk/Compressed/gloucestershire_ww1.html">http://www.memorialtranscripts.co.uk/Compressed/gloucestershire_ww1.html</a></p>
<p><br />
I cannot find his Baptism PR, but from GlosBMD;</p>
<p>Birth Details</p>
<p>Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother&#039;s Former Name Year District Office Register Entry<br />
TINGLE Sydney Edmund TINGLE TINGLE JENKINS 1886 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 55 57</p>
<p>Which suggests he may be the son of the aforementioned Edmund &amp; MaryAnne Tingle (nee Jenkins).  This birthdate perfectly fits the burial record.  </p>
<p>Apart from confirming the above birth and death records, the only other Sidney E Tingle record on FreeBMD is this Marriage, which seems a good fit;</p>
<p>Surname  First name(s)  Age  District  Vol  Page <br />
Marriages Jun 1911   (&gt;99%)<br />
Allen  Arthur    Bristol  6a 334   <br />
Allen  Florence M    Bristol  6a 334 <br />
Bardell  Frances M    Bristol  6a 334 <br />
Basdell  Frances M    Bristol  6a 334 <br />
Tingle  Sydney E    Bristol  6a 334  </p>
<p><br />
I hope someone can please supply Census details for this family, and perhaps Edmund&#039;s Army Records, thanks.</p>
<p>Re his Army Records, in absence of Ancestry etc I&#039;ve searched the National Archives site for his medal card. The nearest fit could perhaps be our Edmund, especially if viewing the actual card suggests a possible transcription error wrt &quot;c&quot; and &quot;e&quot; ?</p>
<p>Reference: WO 372/20/37634<br />
Description: <br />
Medal card of Tingle, Sidney C<br />
Corps Regiment No Rank<br />
Royal Garrison Artillery 304 Gunner<br />
Date: 1914-1920<br />
Held by: The National Archives, Kew</p>
<p><a href="http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D5579664">http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D5579664</a></p>
<p><br />
Searching the War Graves database confirms the above record, the type-written Report definitely shows &quot;C&quot;, so maybe this isn&#039;t our Edmund, altho the date &quot;fits&quot; the Burial PR.</p>
<p>Rank:Gunner<br />
Service No:  311038<br />
Date of Death:  04/07/1917<br />
Regiment/Service:  Royal Garrison Artillery 1st/1st (North Riding) Heavy Bty. <br />
Grave Reference: III. D. 171<br />
Cemetery:  BAILLEUL COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION, NORD<br />
<a href="http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/201905/TINGLE,%20S%20C">http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/201905/TINGLE,%20S%20C</a></p>
<p>???</p>
<p>R.I.P. Gunner Tingle.</p>
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