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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This looks like her in 1901,</p>
<p>GR 1901 Census, The Glebe House,  Hardwicke, Glos. (Wheatenhurst District)</p>
<p>John Proctor Humphris CLARK, Head, M, 43, Clerk in Holy Orders, b. Worcs, Offenham, Evesham<br />
Edith Ann, Wife, M, 31, Glos, Bristol<br />
Adelaide Louise WOOD, S, Serv, 25, General Servant Domestic, London SE, Old Kent Road</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Phil,<br />
I&#039;m pleased you actually knew far more than appeared to be the case.  It was clearly a challenging search, and in retrospect I clearly should have waited for more clarification from you, sorry for leading the thread on a wild goose chase re Lily Gardiner.<br />
Please, next time, can you tell us all you know at the very beginning.</p>
<p>-----</p>
<p>At least I found the correct William, thanks Mike for confirming my suspicions.</p>
<p>Following-on from the 1911 Census posted earlier, here&#039;s his father and grandparents in earlier years, all from the FamilySearch site.<br />
<span style="color:#006;"><br />
1901 Census; Bristol Road, Hardwicke, Glos<br />
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace<br />
Henry Fluck  Head  M  54  Deal Porter Timber Yards. Hardwicke, Gloucestershire<br />
Elizabeth Fluck  Wife  F  51  Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire<br />
Edgar James Fluck  Son  M  26  Groom (Domestic). Hardwicke, Gloucestershire<br />
Austin Henry Fluck  Son  M  22  Deal Porter Timber Yards. Hardwicke, Gloucestershire<br />
Sidney Charles Fluck  Son  M  15  Hardwicke, Gloucestershire<br />
Sarah Edith Fluck  Daughter  F  14  Hardwicke, Gloucestershire<br />
Winnie Gladys Fluck  Grand Daughter  F  6  Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire<br />
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<p>This record may possibly be investigated more fully using the FindMyPast site</p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">Austin Henry Fluck<br />
United Kingdom, Militia Service Records<br />
Name  Austin Henry Fluck<br />
Event Type  Military Service<br />
Event Year Range  1806-1915<br />
Event Place  United Kingdom<br />
Birthplace  Gloucestershire<br />
Birth Year (Estimated)  1879<br />
</span></p>
<p>---<br />
<span style="color:#006;"><br />
1891 Census;  Green, Hardwicke, Wheatenhurst, Glos<br />
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace<br />
Henry Fluck  Head  M  44  Dock Laborer. Gloucestershire, England<br />
Elizabeth Fluck  Wife  F  41  Gloucestershire, England<br />
James E Fluck  Son  M  16  Under Groom Out Of Employment. Gloucestershire, England<br />
Austin H Fluck  Son  M  12  Scholar. Gloucestershire, England<br />
Sidney C Fluck  Son  M  5  Gloucestershire, England<br />
Sarah E Fluck  Daughter  F  4  Gloucestershire, England</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;"><br />
1881 Census;  Hardwicke Green, Hardwicke, Wheatenhurst, Glos<br />
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace<br />
Henry Fluck  Head  M  34  Deal porter. Hardwicke, England<br />
Elizabeth Fluck  Wife  F  31  Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire, England<br />
Martha C Fluck  Daughter  F  7  Hardwicke, England<br />
James E Fluck  Son  M  6  Hardwicke, England<br />
Austin H Fluck  Son  M  2  Hardwicke, England<br />
</span><br />
I THINK this is possibly Henry&#039;s family<span style="color:#006;"></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">1871 Census;  Hardwicke, Wheatenhurst, Glos<br />
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace<br />
James Fluck  Head  M  62  Ag labourer. Standish, Gloucestershire<br />
Martha Fluck  Wife  F  64  Housekeeper. Quedgeley, Gloucestershire<br />
Thomas Copner  Stepson  M  33  Ag labourer. Hardwicke, Gloucestershire<br />
Mary Copner  Stepdaughter  F  27  Hardwick, Gloucestershire<br />
Henry Fluck  Son  M  24  Ag lab. Hardwicke, Gloucestershire<br />
Edwin Fluck  Son  M  21  Ag lab. Hardwicke, Gloucestershire</span></p>
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<p>Here&#039;s Adelaide&#039;s death record, confirming her birth c1877;<br />
<span style="color:#006;"><br />
Surname   First name(s)   Mother/Spouse/Age   District   Vol   Page <br />
Deaths Sep 1958   (&gt;99%)<br />
TOWNSEND  Adelaide L  81  Gloucester C.  7b 347<br />
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Adelaide Louise/Louisa Wood is not a rare name in London, but this seems the most likely fit for her birth record ?<br />
<span style="color:#006;"><br />
Surname   First name(s)   Age   District   Vol   Page <br />
Births Jun 1875   (&gt;99%)<br />
Wood  Ada Louise     St. Saviour  1d 129 </span></p>
<p>Ada is short for Adelaide, and the 1911 Census suggests her birthplace as Old Kent Road, London, which is in the district of St Saviour, Southwark.</p>
<p>Yet still struggling to find her in census&#039; prior to the 1911, perhaps due to the limitations of the FamilySearch site and not seeing actual census images.<br />
??</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The death registration in 2002 is extremely helpful as it provides a date of birth:<br />
Name: Lily Fluck<br />
Death Age: 89<br />
Birth Date: 14 Mar 1913<br />
Registration Date: Nov 2002<br />
Registration district: Ross<br />
Inferred County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire<br />
Register Number: 19B<br />
District and Subdistrict: 5241<br />
Entry Number: 235</p>
<p>and we are able to search the 1939 Register and find this household:</p>
<p>May Hill Kilcot Newent , Ross and Whitchurch R.D., Herefordshire, England<br />
FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER <br />
Rosanna Gardiner 07 Apr 1872 Female Domestic Duties Married 1 75<br />
Leonard Gardiner 24 Jul 1907 Male Farm Labourer Single 2 75<br />
Lily Gardiner 14 Mar 1913 Female Domestic Servant Single 3 75</p>
<p>We have this birth registration:<br />
Births Jun 1913 <br />
Gardiner  Lily  Bosley  Westbury S.  6a 515</p>
<p>and marriage of parents:<br />
Year    1899<br />
Month    Aug<br />
Day    7<br />
Grooms Surname    GARDINER<br />
Grooms Forenames    Albert<br />
Grooms Age    33<br />
Groom Condition    bachelor<br />
Grooms Occupation    labourer<br />
Grooms Residence    Lea Bradley?<br />
Grooms Fathers Surname    GARDINER<br />
Grooms Fathers Forenames    Leonard<br />
Grooms Fathers Occupation    miner<br />
Brides Surname    BOSLEY<br />
Brides Forenames    Rose Hannah<br />
Brides Age    23<br />
Brides Condition    spinster<br />
Brides Occupation    <br />
Brides Residence    Aston Ingham<br />
Brides Fathers Surname    BOSLEY<br />
Brides Fathers Forenames    Jeremiah<br />
Brides Fathers Occupation    gardener<br />
Licence or Banns    banns<br />
Date of Banns    <br />
Signature or Mark    Both sign<br />
Witness 1    Thomas Bidmead<br />
Witness 2    Amelia Gardiner<br />
Other Witnesses    <br />
Officiating Minister    J Wilkinson Storey vicar<br />
Event    Marriage<br />
Memoranda    <br />
Notes    <br />
Register Reference    P155 IN 1/9<br />
Page Number    37<br />
Parish Chapel    Gorsley</p>
<p>Albert’s baptism can also be found on this site.</p>
<p>As for William H Fluck we have this possible:</p>
<p>Name: William Henry J Fluck<br />
Death Age: 89<br />
Birth Date: 28 Sep 1905<br />
Registration Date: Sep 1994<br />
Registration district: Gloucester<br />
Inferred County: Gloucestershire<br />
Register Number: B43<br />
District and Subdistrict: 4831B<br />
Entry Number: 127</p>
<p>and Probate Index provides a little more information which suggests a good match:<br />
Name: William Henry Jesse Fluck<br />
Death Date: 2 Sep 1994<br />
Death Place: Little Gorsley Kilcot Newent Glos<br />
Probate Date: 11 Nov 1994<br />
Registry: Oxford</p>
<p>This is the 1939 Register Entry:<br />
Townsend Household (2 People)<br />
The Quan Bristol Road , Gloucester R.D., Gloucestershire, England<br />
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FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER <br />
Adelaide L Townsend 04 Oct 1876 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed 44 1<br />
William H Fluck 28 Sep 1905 Male Raf Transport Driver Single 44 2</p>
<p>His birth registration from GRO online Index:</p>
<p>FLUCK, WILLIAM  HENRY JESSE            WOOD <br />
GRO Reference: 1905  D Quarter in WHEATENHURST  Volume 06A  Page 337</p>
<p>which tells us that his mother’s maiden name is WOOD and we find this marriage:<br />
Marriages Sep 1904<br />
Fluck  Austin Henry    Wheatenhurst  6a 727<br />
Wood  Adelaide Louise  Wheatenhurst  6a 727</p>
<p>Austin FLUCK died:<br />
Deaths Jun 1911 <br />
Fluck  Austin H  32  Wheatenhurst  6a 207</p>
<p>and Adelaide married again:<br />
Marriages Sep 1921<br />
Fluck  Adelaide L  Townsend  Wheatenhurst  6a 861<br />
Townsend  Frank  Fluck  Wheatenhurst  6a 861</p>
<p>Frank died:<br />
Deaths Mar 1923<br />
TOWNSEND  Frank  54  Gloucester  6a 362</p>
<p>Probate granted to Adelaide Louise Townsend<br />
Name: Frank Townsend<br />
Death Date: 19 Mar 1923<br />
Death Place: Gloucestershire, England<br />
Probate Date: 31 Mar 1923<br />
Registry: Gloucester</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeff</p>
<p>Hope you are well</p>
<p>We&#039;ll I found lily fluck died 2002 ross district</p>
<p>And it does state she was born 1913 ?? This on family search site</p>
<p>Also that the marriage may have been at Aston ingham near ross ??</p>
<p>Cannot find anything on William h fluck though</p>
<p>Regards Phil</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Phil,<br />
I only have access to the various free websites, but will try and help.</p>
<p>As you don&#039;t seem to know ages hence birthdates etc, I&#039;m guessing they are no longer alive, and you don&#039;t know their place of burial etc ?. Please clarify, I&#039;m sure you know but such info could be critical, thanks.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, searching FreeBMD for deaths for &quot;L FLuck&quot; - this one stands out to me, is there any chance she could be your Lily ?   I cannot find a cirresponding local birth record for this name, suggests she was married.<br />
<span style="color:#006;"><br />
Deaths Sep 1954   (&gt;99%)<br />
FLUCK  Lilian  49  Gloucester R.  7b 393</span></p>
<p>Sadly no obvious Lilian Gardiner Births c1905 on FreeBMD, this is the best I can find. <span style="color:#006;"><br />
Surname   First name(s)      District   Vol   Page <br />
Births Mar 1909   (&gt;99%)<br />
GARDINER  Lily     Ross  6a 436 </span> </p>
<p>Altho Gardner is quite a common surname in the Glos/Herefordshire(Ross) area, it seems that Gardiner is not, especially in Hereofrdshire, so to find one in Ross may be significant. Of course records may have spelling errors/variations so ???</p>
<p>Of course it&#039;s possible that her Ross marriage is a red-herring and not her home parish ?  Certainly, the excellent and highly-recommended &quot;FamilySearch&quot; site shows more than a few possibles in the Stroud area, Lily/Lilly/Lillian is a popular Gardiner name in that area from the 1870s or so onwards. I cannot see any obvious entries under Herefordshire.</p>
<p>Here&#039;s one example that seems plausible; </p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">1911 Census, Chalford, Glos, Stroud Reg District.<br />
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace<br />
Dorcas Gardiner  Wife  F  51  Married. Chalford, Gloucestershire<br />
Kate Gardiner  Daughter  F  21  Pin worker. Gloshire Chalford<br />
Lionel Gardiner  Son  M  18  Carter, coal. Gloshire Chalford<br />
Helena Gardiner  Daughter  F  12  Glosshire Chalford<br />
Lily Gardiner  Daughter  F  9  Glosshire Chalford<br />
Percy Gardiner  Son  M  7  Glosshire Chalford<br />
John West  Son  M  6  Bisley, Gloucestershire</span></p>
<p>Which looks like this this family (Bussage is very near Chalford);</p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">1901 Census, Chalford, Glos, Stroud Reg District.<br />
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace<br />
Frederick J Gardiner  Head  M  36  Eastcombe, Gloucestershire<br />
Dorcas Gardiner  Wife  F  41  Bussage, Gloucestershire<br />
Alfred W West  Step Son  M  18  Bussage, Gloucestershire<br />
John W West  Step Son  M  16  Bussage, Gloucestershire<br />
Frances K Gardiner  Daughter  F  11  Chalford, Gloucestershire<br />
Frederick L Gardiner  Son  M  8  Chalford, Gloucestershire<br />
Helena D Gardiner  Daughter  F  2  Chalford, Gloucestershire</span></p>
<p><br />
There are many more records for this family on FamilySearch site including father Frederick&#039;s christening.</p>
<p>??</p>
<p>Unfortunately there seems to be quite a few William H Flucks in our general area esp Gloster/Stroud, altho most entries have the initial letter of a third name too.  It seems likely the H is for Henry.</p>
<p>Could this possibly be our man, born abt 1906 ?.</p>
<p><span style="color:#006;"><br />
1911 Census, Hardwicke, Gloucester, Wheatenhurst Reg District.<br />
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace<br />
Austin Henry Fluck  Head  M  32  Dock labourer. Glosshire, Hardwicke<br />
Adelaide Louise Fluck  Wife  F  33  London Old Rd, Kent<br />
William Henry Fluck  Son  M  5  Hardwicke, Gloucestershire<br />
Jessie Elizabeth Sarah Fluck  Daughter  F  3  Hardwicke, Gloucestershire<br />
Phyllis Mary Fluck  Daughter  F  1  Hardwicke, Gloucestershire</span></p>
<p>Interestingly(given my earlier observations ref 3rd names) the nearest birth match on FreeBMD is this;<span style="color:#006;"></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">Births Dec 1905   (&gt;99%)<br />
Fluck  William Henry J     Wheatenhurst  6a 337 </span></p>
<p>Corrsponding entry on GlosBMD is;<br />
<span style="color:#006;"><br />
Birth Details<br />
Child Surname Child Forename Mother&#039;s Former Name Year District Office Register Entry<br />
FLUCK William Henry Jesse WOOD 1905 Gloucester Gloucester, Haresfield 13 76</span></p>
<p>Hoping this helps Phil, and more importantly is correct. Needs a lot more work of course !!</p>
<p>atb  Jeff.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi</p>
<p>Can anyone help please</p>
<p>A lily Gardiner married a william h fluck in ross district 1950 apr qtr</p>
<p>Trying to find the parents of both people</p>
<p>And where they were from</p>
<p>Regards Phil</p>
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