Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Elsie Anne ELLAWAY1888 - 1975 Bream

Elsie Anne ELLAWAY1888 - 1975 Bream (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 01 May 2026 09:35:51 +0000

1891 Lydney Lane Bream
John Ellaway Head Married Male 51 1840 Blacksmith Alvington, Gloucestershire, England
Hannah Ellaway Wife Married Female 46 1845 - Blakeney, Gloucestershire, England
Fred Ellaway Son Single Male 16 1875 Iron miner Bream, Gloucestershire, England
William Hoskins Ellaway Son - Male 14 1877 Iron miner Bream, Gloucestershire, England
Julia Ellaway Daughter - Female 11 1880 Scholar Bream, Gloucestershire, England
Fanny Ellaway Daughter - Female 7 1884 Scholar Bream, Gloucestershire, England
Elsie Ellaway Granddaughter - Female 2 1889 - Bream, Gloucestershire, England
John Preest Boarder Single Male 51 1840 Haulier Bream, Gloucestershire, England

1901 Mill Hill Bream
John Elloway Head Married Male 56 1845 Blacksmith Alvington, Gloucestershire, England
Hannah Elloway Wife Married Female 54 1847 - Gloucestershire, England
Frederick Elloway Son Single Male 26 1875 Coal hewer Bream, Gloucestershire, England
William H Elloway Son Single Male 23 1878 Coal hewer Bream, Gloucestershire, England
Alma Elloway Daughter Single Female 28 1873 Domestic Bream, Gloucestershire, England
Matilda Elloway Daughter - Female 9 1892 - Bream, Gloucestershire, England
Harriett James Mother-in-law Widow Female 83 1818 - Blakeney, Gloucestershire, England
Elsie Elloway Grand daughter - Female 12 1889 Scholar Bream, Gloucestershire, England

Deaths Dec 1975 (>99%)
WILLIAMS ELSIE ANNE 30MR1888 ROSS 29 672

Alfred James WILLIAMS 1919- 1973 Bream and Ross-on-Wye (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 01 May 2026 09:29:24 +0000

Marriages Jun 1915 (>99%)
Ellaway Elsie A Williams Newport M. 11a 500
Williams Frederick J Ellaway Newport M. 11a 500

Births Dec 1919 (>99%)
Williams Alfred J Ellaway Monmouth 11a 32

1921Nr Church, Bream, Newland, Gloucestershire
Head Frederick James Williams Circa 1892
Wife Elsie Annie Williams Circa 1889
Son Arthur Edward Williams Circa 1909
Son John William Williams Circa 1913
Daughter Elsie Annie Williams Circa 1916
Son Alfred James Williams Circa 1920

1939 Rosemene, Lower Meone, Brockweir
Frederick J Williams 06 Jun 1892 Male General Labourer Married
Elsie A Williams (Davies) 15 Oct ? Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Wyndham F Williams 09 Mar 1921 Male Van Driver Of Grocery And General Store Single
The record for this person is officially closed. Bernard ?
The record for this person is officially closed. Edith ?

Deaths Mar 1974 (>99%)
Williams Alfred James 25SE1919 Ross 9a 247

Alfred James Williams d1973 Ross-on-Wye (reply)

timw — Wed, 29 Apr 2026 14:21:44 +0000

Hi. I'm his son Tim. Happy for you to contact me 07799 035 939

Alfred James Williams d1973 Ross-on-Wye (reply)

timw — Wed, 29 Apr 2026 14:17:56 +0000

Hi. I'm his son Tim. Please contact me 07799 035 939

Alfred James Williams d1973 Ross-on-Wye (reply)

timw — Wed, 29 Apr 2026 14:16:57 +0000

Hi. I'm his son Tim. Happy for you to contact 07799 035939

Alfred James Williams d1973 Ross-on-Wye (reply)

Jefff — Sat, 23 Dec 2017 00:52:30 +0000

Hi,
sorry for slow reply, been busy getting our new house in some sort of order before Christmas !
Yes I'd like to read that article sometime, please, altho' please be assured there's no rush whatsoever. The main reason I mentioned the newspapers was because I was trying to understand whether you'd found this article after a general search of the local papers, and if so how and where (on line ?, Ross library ?, ??). Or to put it another way, could there be other helpful articles from the same source ?
Finally, I strongly recommend you remove your email address from your post, it can be seen & copied worldwide and may attract unwanted spam emails and even viruses etc. This is explained in the "Must Read Before Posting" section at head of the forum homepage. It also states how to send private emails - just click the blue envelope icon next to my username, and the resulting window allows you to send an email directly to my inbox both safely and privately.
Thanks, Jeff.

Alfred James Williams d1973 Ross-on-Wye (reply)

Squiddley1957 — Sun, 17 Dec 2017 18:54:20 +0000

I've got a copy of the report in the Ross Gazette. Tragic story. Can email it to you. Mine is grahamswindon@hotmail.co.uk

Alfred James Williams d1973 Ross-on-Wye (reply)

Jefff — Sun, 17 Dec 2017 17:21:15 +0000

Thanks, very interesting article.
Re the Gazette, I did try searching on the BNA site, but without any success - probably because the most recent articles it carries are from the 1950s or thereabouts.
Are more recent (eg 1970s) copies available to read anywhere, perhaps in Ross library or at the publishers ?

Alfred James Williams d1973 Ross-on-Wye (reply)

Squiddley1957 — Sun, 17 Dec 2017 17:08:54 +0000

Yes the information about his death came from a report in the Ross Gazette. My interest stems from the item to which the following link refers. Please note that his name was inverted because the Gestapo did not have an English interpreter so they were forced to use a local Czech student.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/epf0hq8f2op9ab3/File%2017-12-2017%2C%2000%2036%2016.png?dl=0

Alfred James Williams d1973 Ross-on-Wye (reply)

Jefff — Sun, 17 Dec 2017 16:10:57 +0000

The only additional info I have is that he was a police sergeant, married, with at least one child, and living in Alton Road, Ross.

Hi again,
am I correct in thinking this information, esp regarding his family, came from the reports of his death, maybe the inquest ?

Like you I don't have full access to the 1939 Register, but I tried without any definite success to find Alfred using their free search facility. Hopefully one of our members can find him on the 1939 Register, altho' given his age I suspect his marriage was post 1939 if not post-war.

Alfred James Williams d1973 Ross-on-Wye (reply)

Squiddley1957 — Sun, 17 Dec 2017 13:50:17 +0000

Probably not. It's likely that Williams was captured rather than escaping via Dunkirk. That means he was in captivity from at least 1940.

Alfred James Williams d1973 Ross-on-Wye (reply)

Mike Pinchin — Sun, 17 Dec 2017 11:40:47 +0000

From Genes Reunited, is this a possibility for his marriage? It would only take a small error in the recording of his forename.

England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
First Name Albert J
Last Name Williams
Gender Male
Year 1941
Spouse Ellaway
Image Quarter 4
Country Wales
County Monmouthshire
District Abergavenny
District Number
Registry Number
Volume 11A
Page 49
Line Number 103
Entry Number
Category Births, Marriages & Deaths
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Collections from Great Britain, Wales
Spouse Match Spouse Match: Albert J WILLIAMS married Lilian M ELLAWAY
First Name Lilian M
Last Name Ellaway
Gender Female
Year 1941
Spouse Williams
Image Quarter 4
Country Wales
County Monmouthshire
District Abergavenny
District Number
Registry Number
Volume 11A
Page 49
Line Number 78

Alfred James Williams d1973 Ross-on-Wye (reply)

Squiddley1957 — Sun, 17 Dec 2017 00:43:15 +0000

Williams was a Prisoner of War in Poland until at least July 1942. I suppose it's possible that he got back home in 1944 but I think it unlikely. The only additional info I have is that he was a police sergeant, married, with at least one child, and living in Alton Road, Ross.

Alfred James Williams d1973 Ross-on-Wye (reply)

Jefff — Sat, 16 Dec 2017 22:33:12 +0000

Further: he is NOT the Alfred James Williams mentioned in your final paragraph. I contacted his son - this Alfred was born in June 1919 and was in the Gloucesters. The Alfred I am after was in the Welsh Guards.

Hi,

sorry for posting records for the wrong Alfred, it's not a rare name.

Given the Ross death record, I wonder if this could be your Alfred's marriage record ?

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page

Marriages Jun 1944

TYLER Rita J Williams Hereford 6a 1405
WILLIAMS Alfred J Tyler Hereford 6a 1405

However I'm unable to find any records for offspring, or even a birth for Rita ?

Alfred James Williams d1973 Ross-on-Wye (reply)

Squiddley1957 — Sat, 16 Dec 2017 18:16:23 +0000

Further: he is NOT the Alfred James Williams mentioned in your final paragraph. I contacted his son - this Alfred was born in June 1919 and was in the Gloucesters. The Alfred I am after was in the Welsh Guards.

Alfred James Williams d1973 Ross-on-Wye (reply)

Squiddley1957 — Sat, 16 Dec 2017 18:13:28 +0000

This Alfred James Williams was he born in Bream in 1919 and died on Christmas day 1973. Mr Williams took his own life and consequently was subject of an inquest - hence the JFM 1974 death registration. He might be on the 1939 register but I don't have access at present.

Alfred James Williams d1973 Ross-on-Wye (reply)

Jefff — Fri, 15 Dec 2017 23:11:08 +0000

Do you please have any more information that may assist this enquiry ?.

Is this the gentleman you mean ?

from FreeBMD; presumably died in late December of 1973, and registered the following month ?

Surname First name(s) Mother/Spouse/DoB District Vol Page
Deaths Mar 1974
Williams Alfred James 25SE1919 Ross 9a 247

IF he was born locally (it's not a rare name!), this could be his birth record.

Surname Given Name Mother District Volume Page
Births Dec 1919
Williams Alfred J Ellaway Monmouth 11a 32

Possible parent's marriage;

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1915
Ellaway Elsie A Williams Newport M. 11a 500
Williams Frederick J Ellaway Newport M. 11a 500

Possible siblings;

Births Sep 1921
Williams Wyndham F Ellaway Monmouth 11a 36

Births Dec 1924
Williams Bernard I Ellaway Monmouth 11a 24

??

From this site's PRs;

Record_ID: 332028
Entry_Number: 685
Year: 1919
Month: Nov
Day: 14
Parents_Surname: WILLIAMS
Child_Forenames: Alfred James
Fathers_Forenames: Frederick James
Mothers_Forenames: Elsie Annie
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Nr the Church Bream
Occupation: Collier
Officiating Minister: C H T Wright
Event:
Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P57 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 86
Parish_Chapel: Bream
Soundex: W452

Cannot see his marriage so hard to suggest possible descendants.

Alfred James Williams d1973 Ross-on-Wye

Squiddley1957 — Thu, 14 Dec 2017 08:59:05 +0000

I wish to contact any family of Mr Williams. He was formerly in the Welsh Guards and spent some time as a prisoner of war. His family might be interested to learn some details of his experiences. Please note that my previous request (Alfred James Williams d1990) was directed at the wrong person.