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<title>Henry John WILLIAMS b1874, mother Emily, Upleadon (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Adrienne,<br />
First, I suggest you email Mirrim directly in case she doesn&#039;t see your forum post; if you click her blue username above, then it shows you she&#039;s not visited the forum for a few weeks, and this also allows you to send an email directly into her pc&#039;s Inbox which is best for exchanging personal confidential details etc rather than via this public forum.</p>
<p>From this FoD site&#039;s PRs:<br />
Could this be him I wonder ??<br />
(Found by use of Advance Search for Baptisms, just inputting forename &quot;Henry John&quot;, mother &quot;Emily&quot;, no surnames searched. This gave only ten hits for the whole database..)</p>
<p>Record ID 243912 <br />
Entry Number 416 <br />
Year 1874 <br />
Month [not stated] <br />
Day [not stated] <br />
Parents Surname WILLIAMS <br />
Child Forenames Henry John <br />
Fathers Forenames George <br />
Mothers Forenames Emily <br />
Mothers Surname RUCK <br />
Residence Upleadon <br />
Occupation [not stated] <br />
Officiating Minister Joseph White Curate <br />
Event Baptism <br />
Memoranda Son of <br />
Notes Born: Jul 26/74 Privately Baptized: Jul 26/74 Illegitimate No day or month given for received into the church. <br />
Register Reference P346 IN 1/6 <br />
Page Number 52 <br />
Parish Chapel Upleadon </p>
<p>Unusually I cannot see a corresponding Birth registered abt this time/location, either on FreeBMD or GlosBMD.....  given the vague dates, the Notes and the Names I do wonder if the above Baptism was subsequently officially registered as the Birth below ?  (I don&#039;t know (can anyone help please ?) but as far as I understand the Birth is registered by a parent after the event and could be done without the Registrar knowing if the surnames were &quot;confused&quot; ??)</p>
<p>From GlosBMD:</p>
<p>Birth Details<br />
Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother&#039;s Former Name Year District Office Register Entry <br />
MINCHIN Henry John MINCHIN MINCHIN WILLIAMS 1874 Gloucester Gloucester, Newent 17 45 </p>
<p>And FreeBMD:</p>
<p>Surname  First name(s)    District  Vol  Page  <br />
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Births Jun 1874   (&gt;99%)<br />
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Minchin  Henry John    Newent  6a 256    </p>
<p>Upleadon is but an hours walk from Newent.<br />
<a href="http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/GLS/Upleadon/Gaz1868.html">http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/GLS/Upleadon/Gaz1868.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.upleadon-village.co.uk/st-marys-church/">http://www.upleadon-village.co.uk/st-marys-church/</a></p>
<p>NOW I realise this FoD site carries the 1874 Marriage of George &amp; Emily, but thorough searching of the 1881 &amp; 1891 England &amp; Wales Census for this couple with son Henry John gives no results ?</p>
<p>Record ID 53968 <br />
Entry Number 48 <br />
Year 1874 <br />
Month Sep <br />
Day 24 <br />
Grooms Surname WILLIAMS <br />
Grooms Forenames George <br />
Grooms Age 30 <br />
Groom Condition Bachelor <br />
Grooms Occupation Labourer <br />
Grooms Residence Upleadon <br />
Grooms Fathers Surname Williams <br />
Grooms Fathers Forenames John <br />
Grooms Fathers Occupation Labourer <br />
Brides Surname RUCK <br />
Brides Forenames Emily <br />
Brides Age 22 <br />
Brides Condition Spinster <br />
Brides Occupation [not stated] <br />
Brides Residence Upleadon <br />
Brides Fathers Surname Ruck <br />
Brides Fathers Forenames Robert <br />
Brides Fathers Occupation Labourer <br />
Licence or Banns Banns <br />
Date of Banns  <br />
Signature or Mark He marks She signs <br />
Witness 1 Charles Parry <br />
Witness 2 Lucy Painter <br />
Other Witnesses  <br />
Officiating Minister Joseph White Curate <br />
Event Marriage <br />
Memoranda  <br />
Notes  <br />
Register Reference P346 IN 1/5 <br />
Page Number 24 <br />
Parish Chapel Upleadon </p>
<p>But where are they in subsequent Census ??.<br />
I&#039;ve searched for Deaths of George Williams abt this time but there are several, a very common name indeed, so no proof there !</p>
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<p>Secondly, I&#039;ve been searching the various free websites for your Henry John, you have my &quot;sympathies&quot; in this respect as it&#039;s clearly a very popular Minchin forename !  </p>
<p>I realise it may well not be your Henry but have you seen this record from LDS ?, I thought it a little different than the more obvious Census/BMD stuff, I know the second name&#039;s not mentioned but that&#039;s not unusual on early Army records:</p>
<p>United Kingdom, Chelsea Pensioners&#039; Service Records, 1760-1913<br />
name: Henry Minchin  <br />
event: Pension  <br />
event year range: 1760-1913  <br />
event place: United Kingdom  <br />
birthplace: Gloucestershire  <br />
estimated birth year: 1874  </p>
<p>???</p>
<p>Of course it may well be the following Henry so not yours, but thought you may still be interested.</p>
<p>England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975<br />
name: Henry Minchin  <br />
gender: Male  <br />
baptism/christening date: 22 Jun 1873  <br />
baptism/christening place: St. Mary-de-Lode&#039;s Church, Gloucester, Gloucester, England  <br />
birth date:  <br />
birthplace:  <br />
death date:  <br />
name note:  <br />
race:  <br />
father&#039;s name: William Minchin  <br />
father&#039;s birthplace:  <br />
father&#039;s age:  <br />
mother&#039;s name: Mary Elizabeth  <br />
mother&#039;s birthplace:  <br />
mother&#039;s age:  <br />
indexing project (batch) number: I02037-3  <br />
system origin: England-EASy  <br />
source film number: 855618  <br />
reference number: 88  </p>
<p>England and Wales Census, 1881 <br />
name: Henry Minchin  <br />
age: 7  <br />
gender: Male  <br />
birth year: 1874  <br />
birthplace: Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England  <br />
relationship to head of household: Son  <br />
marital condition: Single  <br />
profession/occupation: Scholar  <br />
address: 159 Westgate St  <br />
census place: Gloucester St Mary-De-Grace, Gloucestershire, England  <br />
disability:  <br />
record type: Household  <br />
family history library film: 1341611  <br />
the national archives reference: RG11  <br />
piece/folio: 2533 / 42  <br />
page number: 41  <br />
Household Gender Age Birthplace <br />
head  William Minchin  M 51 Blockley, Worcestershire, England  <br />
wife  Mary E Minchin  F 50 Longborough, Gloucestershire, England  <br />
son  William Minchin  M 16 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England  <br />
daughter  Fanny Minchin  F 12 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England  <br />
son  Etheridge Minchin  M 10 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England  <br />
son  Henry Minchin  M 7 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England  <br />
visitor  Julia M Cook  F 24 Bok Norton, Oxfordshire, England  <br />
assistant  Charles H T White  M 21 Kidderminster, Worcestershire, England  <br />
assistant  Henry P Cummins  M 21 Manchester, Lancashire, England  <br />
servant  Louisa Cockyear  F 16 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England  <br />
servant  Jane Boucher  F 14 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England  </p>
<p>etc etc</p>
<p>Hope this all helps, good luck contacting Mirrim,<br />
Jeff.</p>
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<title>Minchin/Williams birth Cert (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,My great grandmother was Emily Minchin, maiden name Williams.Im just after finding my grandfather, Henry John Minchin&#039;s Birth Cert which was  registered in Newent in the Counties of Gloucester and Hereford 1874.She was probably too young to be married with a child, but thene again they married very young back then.I know nothing about my dad&#039;s family as he came to Ireland  with the 13th Hussars, he met my grandmother and spent the rest of his days here.Hope to hear from you soon.</p>
<p>Regards, </p>
<p>Adrienne Minchin.</p>
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<title>John MINCHIN 1825 Dymock (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1841<br />
George Minchin abt 1791  Gloucestershire, England Dymock  Gloucestershire  <br />
 Mary Minchin abt 1791  Gloucestershire, England Dymock  Gloucestershire  <br />
Charley Minchin abt 1836  Gloucestershire, England Dymock  Gloucestershire  <br />
George Minchin abt 1822  Gloucestershire, England Dymock  Gloucestershire   <br />
Hannah Minchin abt 1827  Gloucestershire, England Dymock  Gloucestershire   <br />
 William Minchin abt 1833  Gloucestershire, England Dymock  Gloucestershire  </p>
<p><br />
John Minchin abt 1827  Gloucestershire, England Dymock  Gloucestershire </p>
<p>1851<br />
 George Minchin  abt 1789  Staunton, Gloucestershire, England Head  Dymock  Gloucestershire  <br />
Mary Minchin  abt 1789  Ledbury, Herefordshire, England Wife  Dymock  Gloucestershire   <br />
George Minchin  abt 1822  Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Son  Dymock  Gloucestershire   <br />
 John Minchin abt 1825  Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Son  Dymock  Gloucestershire   <br />
Eliza Minchin abt 1826  Bredwardine, Herefordshire, England Wife  Dymock  Gloucestershire  <br />
Thomas Minchin  abt 1819  Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Lodger  Dymock  Gloucestershire  </p>
<p><br />
1861<br />
Johns Minchin  abt 1824  Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Head  St Peter  Herefordshire  <br />
Emily Minchin  abt 1836  Herefordshire, England Wife  St Peter  Herefordshire</p>
<p>1871<br />
  John Minchin abt 1825  Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Head  Newent  Gloucestershire  <br />
Emily Minchin abt 1835  Bullingham, Herefordshire, England Wife  Newent  Gloucestershire   <br />
 Emily Minchinabt 1862  St Peter, Herefordshire, England Daughter  Newent  Gloucestershire   <br />
 George Minchin abt 1868  St Peter, Herefordshire, England Son  Newent  Gloucestershire   <br />
 Hannah Minchin abt 1865  St Peter, Herefordshire, England Daughter  Newent  Gloucestershire</p>
<p>1881<br />
John Minchin abt 1825 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Head  Breinton  Herefordshire  <br />
Emily Minchin  abt 1834 Bullingham, Hereford, England Wife  Breinton  Herefordshire   <br />
 Emily Minchin J abt 1862 St Peters, Hereford, England Daughter  Breinton  Herefordshire   <br />
 George Minchin  abt 1868 St Peters, Hereford, England Son  Breinton  Herefordshire   <br />
 Henry J. Minchin  abt 1874 Oxenhall, Gloucestershire, England Son  Breinton  Herefordshire   <br />
Martha Minchin  abt 1878 Oxenhall, Gloucestershire, England Daughter  Breinton  Herefordshire   <br />
 Mary A. Minchin  abt 1872 Newent, Gloucestershire, England Daughter  Breinton  Herefordshire</p>
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<title>Minchin/Williams birth Cert</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a Hereford Cert but may be of interest.<br />
I Have a Birth cert for Emily MINCHIN Sept 1861, Commercial Road, Hereford, reg dist Hereford and Dore.  Dau of John MINCHIN general lab, and Emily Minchin formerly WILLIAMS</p>
<p>This is not my Emily Minchin so please get in touch if you recognize this ancestor.</p>
<p>Mirrim.</p>
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