record_id 1002
Entry Number 218
Year 1833
Month Feb
Day 14
Groom Surname WAIT
Groom Forename(s) John
Groom Age at Marriage [not stated]
Groom condition [not stated]
Groom Rank or Profession [not stated]
Groom Residence Forest of Dean
Groom Father's Surname [not stated]
Groom Father's Forename(s) [not stated]
Groom Father's Rank or Profession [not stated]
Bride Surname JENKINS
Bride Forename(s) Eliza
Bride Age at Marriage [not stated]
Bride Condition [not stated]
Bride Rank or Profession [not stated]
Bride Residence Forest of Dean
Bride Father's Surname [not stated]
Bride Father's Forename(s) [not stated]
Bride Father's Rank or Profession [not stated]
Licence or Banns Banns
Date of banns
Signature or Mark Both Mark
Witness 1 Mark of W[illia]m Clay
Witness 2 Charles Fennell
Other witnesses
Officiating Minister J. H. Malpas Vicar
Event type Marriage
Memoranda with Consent of Parents
Transcriber's Notes
Register Reference P30 IN 1/5
Page No 74
Parish/Chapel Awre
Soundex Groom W300
Soundex Bride J525

Sleep is so overrated! LOL.

Wendy

I have the m/cert of Enos Jenkins and Eliza Waite (my gt grandparents, via Isaac and Melenda Morgan). Enos was previously married to Elizabeth BRYANT 0n 13 Feb 1859. Elizabeth died in 1860.

Will watch this thread with interest, meanwhile anyone is welcome to what info I have, going back to Henry Jenkins 1804.

Bob Jenkins

The wedding above is the one that I ordered.

Your instincts are terrific - I got a response to a post I made on Ancestry.com from a Bob Jenkins, telling me that his Uncle Job Jenkins was a witness to the marriage. I think he is also a member here. I will have to find that post and send him to this thread.

Thanks again for all the help. It really didn't seem to make a whole lot of sense. Still not terribly clear, but better! :)

I think there might very well be a connection because I have not seen a lot of "Berthas" in my search. I could be off base here, but you have a Bertha Jenkins in the one listing and Edward Morgan had a daughter named Julia BERTHA Morgan, based upon the baptismal information.

Was Bertha a common name?

Year 1866
Month May
Day 13
Parents Surname JENKINS
Child Forename(s) Isaac
Father's Forename(s) Enos
Mother's Forename(s) Eliza
Mother's Surname
Place of Residence Cinderford Tump
Occupation Collier
Officiating Minister T.G.Smythies
Event type Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P85/1 IN 1/2
Page No 60
Parish/Chapel Cinderford St Johns

Year 1869
Month Feb
Day 1
Parents Surname JENKINS
Child Forename(s) Bertha
Father's Forename(s) Enos
Mother's Forename(s) Eliza
Mother's Surname
Place of Residence Cinderford
Occupation Collier
Officiating Minister T G Smythies
Event type Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P85/1 IN 1/2
Page No 77
Parish/Chapel Cinderford St Johns

Year 1871
Month May
Day 2
Parents Surname JENKINS
Child Forename(s) Rhoda
Father's Forename(s) Enos
Mother's Forename(s) Eliza
Mother's Surname
Place of Residence Ruspidge
Occupation Collier
Officiating Minister Newton Codner Bennett
Event type Baptism
Memoranda (Privately)
Notes
Register Reference P85/1 IN 1/2
Page No 98
Parish/Chapel Cinderford St Johns

Year 1872
Month Aug
Day 4
Parents Surname JENKINS
Child Forename(s) Damaris
Father's Forename(s) Enos
Mother's Forename(s) Eliza
Mother's Surname
Place of Residence Ruspidge
Occupation Collier
Officiating Minister Geo[rge] Alex[ander] Allan Vicar
Event type Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P85/1 IN 1/2
Page No 109
Parish/Chapel Cinderford St Johns

1881
Enos Jenkins abt 1838 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Head Westbury On Severn - East Dean Gloucestershire
Eliza Jenkins abt 1837 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Wife Westbury On Severn - East Dean Gloucestershire
Bertha Jenkins abt 1869 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Jenkins abt 1875 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean Gloucestershire
Enos Jenkins abt 1865 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean Gloucestershire
Isaac Jenkins abt 1866 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean Gloucestershire
Rhoda Jenkins abt 1871 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean Gloucestershire

which takes us back to an earlier post with Enos and Job JENKINS
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=138#p138

The older children such as Rebecca would be a starting point - she may be a child of Edward and an Elizabeth ( but I would suspect an earlier marriage) unless he and Betsy delayed their marriage and already had children.

I cannot find Rebecca or John ( as MORGAN children) so they may be children of a previous marriage - WAITE maybe - JENKINS would not be a surprise as there is a WAITE / JENKINS marriage and witnesses on Betsy's marriage

Betsy looks like Elizabeth WAITE shown as 1838 in prior 1851 census ( as opposed to the Eliza 1840 who marries Enos JENKINS)

Name: Edward Morgan
Name: Betsy Waite
Year of Registration: 1867
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 375

Year 1867
Month Sept
Day 1

Groom Surname MORGAN
Groom Forename(s) Edward
Groom Age at Marriage 45
Groom condition Bachelor
Groom Rank or Profession Collier
Groom Residence Bilson Green
Groom Father's Surname
Groom Father's Forename(s)
Groom Father's Rank or Profession

Bride Surname WAILE
Bride Forename(s) Betsy
Bride Age at Marriage 28
Bride Condition Spinster
Bride Rank or Profession
Bride Residence Bilson Green
Bride Father's Surname Waile
Bride Father's Forename(s) John
Bride Father's Rank or Profession Collier

Licence or Banns Banns
Date of banns
Signature or Mark Both Signed
Witness 1 Job Jenkins
Witness 2 Harriet Jenkins
Other witnesses
Officiating Minister William Barker
Event type Marriage
Memoranda
Transcriber's Notes
Register Reference P109 IN 1/6
Page No 219
Parish/Chapel Drybrook

near where I took these photos a few weeks back

http://www.forest-of-dean.net/gallery/autumn/

and there is a WAITE / Soudley thread here ( although no obvious connection)
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=5208#p5210

Year 1837
Month Apr
Day 23
Parents Surname WAIT
Child Forename(s) Elizabeth
Father's Forename(s) John
Mother's Forename(s) Eliza
Mother's Surname
Place of Residence Brainsgreen
Occupation Labourer
Officiating Minister W[illia]m Wickenden
Event type Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P50 IN1/1
Page No 158
Parish/Chapel Blakeney

1841 Soudley Green
John Wait abt 1816 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Eliza Wait abt 1816 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Anne Wait abt 1832 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Wait abt 1838 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Harriot Wait abt 1841 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
John Wait abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire

1851 Dockham /Cinderford ( Samuel Hale's home)
Eliza Wait abt 1811 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Housekeeper Extraparochial Gloucestershire
Eliza Wait abt 1840 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Extraparochial Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Wait abt 1838 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Extraparochial Gloucestershire
Harriett Wait abt 1842 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Extraparochial Gloucestershire
Allice Waite abt 1848 Dockham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Extraparochial Gloucestershire
Ester Waite abt 1850 Dockham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Extraparochial Gloucestershire
Mary Waite abt 1846 Dockham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Extraparochial Gloucestershire

< now mother re-married and note Job JENKINS in house - future marriage witness>

1861
Samuel Hale abt 1822 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Eliza Hale abt 1810 Awre, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Alice Hale abt 1848 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Eliza Hale abt 1841 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Esther Hale abt 1850 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Hale abt 1846 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Job Jenkins abt 1836 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Harriot Jenkins abt 1841 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Job Jenkins abt 1861 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire

Year 1864
Month Apl
Day 23
Groom Surname JENKINS
Groom Forename(s) Enos
Groom Age at Marriage 25
Groom condition Widower
Groom Rank or Profession Collier
Groom Residence Cinderford
Groom Father's Surname Jenkins
Groom Father's Forename(s) Henry
Groom Father's Rank or Profession Mason

Bride Surname WAIT
Bride Forename(s) Eliza
Bride Age at Marriage 24
Bride Condition Spinster
Bride Rank or Profession
Bride Residence Woodside
Bride Father's Surname Wait
Bride Father's Forename(s) John
Bride Father's Rank or Profession Mason

Licence or Banns Banns
Date of banns
Signature or Mark Both Mark
Witness 1 William Hall
Witness 2 Selina Jenkins
Other witnesses
Officiating Minister Henry G. Nicholls
Event type Marriage
Memoranda
Transcriber's Notes
Register Reference P109 IN 1/6
Page No 178
Parish/Chapel Drybrook

I have one more question, if you are up to it.

I found this in 1841 Census...
In the 1871 information that you provided, it shows "Sendly" could "Sewdley" be the same?

29 WAIT Elizabeth 3 Sewdley Green 3 364/9 43

The age seems to make sense - should I bother getting more info or Should I pull the birth record of one of the older children to see what Edward's wife's name was?

Ideas???

Wendy

As soon as I receive the birth and marriage certificates (hopefully by the end of this week), I will let you know. I think for both our sakes, I should attempt to find my Edward's birth record, after "Edward" on each of the two records is confirmed one way or another.

Wendy

Sorry for the duplicate postings - I got a time out from the first posting and thought it was lost.
Chris Morgan

Just to provide you with the data that I have on Edward:

15. SAMUEL MORGAN Christening: 18th October 1789 Newland, Gloucester, England; died 14th March 1846 Moseley Green, Gloucestershire, at the certified age of 57 (which complies with the 1789 date of birth); m1 on 11th April 1814 in Newland, Gloucestershire HANNAH PROUT (christened on the 14th of August 1785, Lydney, Gloucester died between 18th July 1831 and 1837 , Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire). They were both of the Hundred of St Briavels at the time of their marriage. Had issue:

15.1. EDWARD MORGAN born in the “Forest of Dean” on 11th February 1816 and registered in Lydney (PFC 209 IN 1/3 Fiche 1 Bap 1813-1821); SAMUEL his father was a coal miner.

15.1.1. This may be the EDWARD MORGAN mentioned in the 1841 census . EDWARD is living with MARY MORGAN who is 85. This may be his grandmother MARY NEE JAMES who was born on 9th June 1754 giving an age in 1841 of 87 which is correct given the rounding of ages in the 1841 census. Also living in the same household is MARY MORGAN age 60. There is a MARY MARSHALL, (born about 1783), who married JOHN MORGAN on 12th of January 1804 in Newland. She was baptised 22nd December 1771, Newland (P227 IN 4/3) and would therefore have been 58 in 1841. JOHN MORGAN is EDWARD MORGAN’S uncle.

15.1.2. EDWARD married ANN U/K . The date of the marriage is after 1846 but before 2 Jan 1847 since ANN is not mentioned in SAMUEL MORGAN’S Last Will and Testament of 1846 but ANN and EDWARD MORGAN attend HENRY MORGAN’S wedding on 2 Jan 1847. EDWARD and ANN also appear in the 1851 census:

1959 1851 CENSUS HO107/1959 FF.0294-0306 ED.4F NEWNHAM 1

Piece: 1959 Folio: 0299 Schedule: 018

Address: Dockham

MORGAN Edward HD M 36 Coal Miner GLS West Dean (c1815)
MORGAN Ann WI M 47 GLS Littledean (c1804)

However, this could be a completely different Edward and I have failed to find a marriage certificate for Edward and Ann which would likely state Edward's father and settle the matter. Nor have I found Edward and Anne in censuses subsequent to that of 1851.

It is possible Anne died (after 1851) and Edward subsequently married Betsy.

Chris Morgan.

In that record, it shows his parents as Edward and Elizabeth. When I exchanged e-mails with the Forest of Dean Register's Office, they noted his parents on the birth record were Edward and Betsy. I know that Betsy can be a nickname for Elizabeth, but it was the first time I had come across it in the records for this family. She also found a marriage for an Edward and Betsey Waite in 1867. I decided to order both records, even though the marriage date was later than I expected.

In the 1871 & 61 information that you pulled for me, Elizabeth is listed as the wife. The same with the 1881, which I had had previously.

That is why, when I was looking at the 1841 that was pulled, I was looking or hoping to see an Elizabeth, not an Emma. I was also unsure as to how to interpret the Census ID, Box, Piece, and Folio numbers - I found an Eliza with the same information except for the folio number. I do believe that with the difference in ages, Edward may have been previously married. This confuses me because the baptismal records that seem to coincide with the Census data (Drybrook) all list "Elizabeth" as the mother. Maybe they didn't get married right away? I don't know.

I guess I need to take a deep breath and go slowly through the next steps.

The birth and marriage record should arrive some time this week.

Aren't you glad you asked? ;)

I haven't "lost it", I promise. I was just a little overcome with excitement!

Piece: 1959 Folio: 0299 Schedule: 018

Address: Dockham

MORGAN Edward HD M 36 Coal Miner GLS West Dean (c1815)
MORGAN Ann WI M 47 GLS Littledean (c1804).

However, this could be an entirely unrelated Edward and I have not found the marriage certificate of Edward and Anne Morgan which would give Edward's father and settle the matter. I cannot find Edward and Ann in subsequent censuses so the trail went cold.

Speculating, it is possible Anne died and Edward married your Elizabeth. If you could find the marriage certificate of Edward and Elizabeth this would likely state Edward's father and put the matter to rest.

For the record my EDWARD MORGAN was born in the “Forest of Dean” on 11th February 1816 and the birth was registered in the Lydney Parish records (PFC 209 IN 1/3 Fiche 1 Bap 1813-1821); SAMUEL his father was a coal miner and his mother was Hannah nee Prout.

Chris Morgan.

I looked at your information under miscellaneous documents. My William Morgan (great grandfather) was born 8 June 1868 to Edward and Betsy (Waite) Morgan. He had several brothers and sisters that stayed in the UK, but none of their names are in your listing. My Edward Morgan is also found in census records (http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=8124#p8125) as the husband of Elizabeth.

It unfortunately, does not seem like a match at first glance. :(

Wendy Morgan

I will keep you posted as I do not think this is my family. I'm looking for Edward Morgan, but there is not enough evidence (to me) just yet to say there is a match. It is very interesting and I have in no way ruled it out.

I guess as far as the DNA goes, I'd have to ask my dad, but I do not know how he feels about that.

Thanks again!

Chris Morgan.

Thanks again. I will file this away - just in case.

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 364; Book: 9;
Civil Parish: Dean Forest; County: Gloucestershire;
Enumeration District: 13; Folio: 15; Page: 24; Line: 6;
GSU roll: 288776.