Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Second Marriage for Henry 1865? {Amy CLARK marriage}

Second Marriage for Henry 1865? {Amy CLARK marriage} (reply)

Veal — Sat, 05 Apr 2014 22:46:48 +0000

You have rekindled my interest in the CLARKE family from W-on_S after a break due to brick walls.
I see you have mentioned Amy CLARKE and her 2nd marriage to Henry MANN in Blakeney 1865. Her first husband was James CLARKE b.1810 - d.1857 W-o-S. They married 1837 in W-o-S and I believe they had seven children. James CLARKE was a butcher in W-o-S. His parents were William & Sarah CLARKE and they had nine children.
One of his sisters, Hannah, married carpenter(*) James SMITH in 1837(I believe I have the right lady using FOD records and a newspaper article(*)), but in 1861 & 1871 she is Hannah DICKSON with John DICKSON. On both census returns Hannah DICKSON was born in W-o-S and also in 1861 they have a visitor Maryann HILLIER, also born in W-o-S.

I cannot find her marriage to John DICKSON. First brick wall.

Using the FOD records at Gloucester Archives I found a Hannah and Maryann born in W-o-S in the early 1800's both with a CLARKE surname. Maryann married William HILLIER in 1829 (W-o-S) with witnesses being two of her siblings. But although she is soon a widow (& no known children)I have not found a death for William HILLIER. Second brick wall.
Witnesses at Hannah CLARKE marriage were Sarah CLARKE probably her mother and a carpenter friend of James(?). Hannah married at Gloucester St Michaels and both known to be of this parish.

I have also found on the FOD records that Hannah CLARKE had a baseborn child in 1819 (W-o-S) called Theodore Martin CLARKE. He was a Hatter when he married on 2nd Jan 1841 in Cheltenham and has his father as Dixon CLARK (occupation Hatter). I have checked the 1841/1851 census returns for a Dixon/Dickson CLARKE with no clear evidence to someone of that name and the right age in this part of the country.

I have a third brick wall.
On the 1861/1871 census returns for John & Hannah DICKSON they have another person with them, James DICKSON b.1858. (place of birth ambiguous and therefore no true ref to his birth). He is the direct lineage with my ancestors and I am not sure if this couple he is staying with are truly related to him. On his 1880 marriage certificate over in Portsmouth, his father is John DICKSON, occupation Labourer.
I have spent a lot of time on the CLARKE & DICKSON families and so any help will be gratefully received and I really do need some help!!
kind regards,
Patricia Veal

Second Marriage for Henry 1865? {Amy CLARK marriage} (reply)

mrsbruso — Mon, 18 Apr 2011 05:30:27 +0000

Record ID 18882
Entry Number 241
Year 1837
Month Feb
Day 7
Grooms Surname CLARKE
Grooms Forenames James
Grooms Age [Not stated]
Groom Condition [Not stated]
Grooms Occupation [Not stated]
Grooms Residence Of this Parish
Grooms Fathers Surname [Not stated]
Grooms Fathers Forenames [Not stated]
Grooms Fathers Occupation [Not stated]
Brides Surname WHITE
Brides Forenames Amy
Brides Age [Not stated]
Brides Condition [Not stated]
Brides Occupation [Not stated]
Brides Residence Of this Parish
Brides Fathers Surname [Not stated]
Brides Fathers Forenames [Not stated]
Brides Fathers Occupation [Not stated]
Licence or Banns Licence
Date of Banns [Not stated]
Signature or Mark Both Sign
Witness 1 John Sterry
Witness 2 Eliza Sterry
Other Witnesses
Officiating Minister William Crawley Minister
Event Marriage
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P354 IN 1/7
Page Number 81
Parish Chapel Westbury on Severn

Henry MANN Blakeney (reply)

buffylewis1 — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 22:13:01 +0000

hi phil IGI gives christening of henry mann on 31 july 1814 at blakeney parents william and mary..liz

Henry MANN Blakeney (reply)

PhilipN — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:06:01 +0000

IGI gives baptisms for James as 30/9/1810 at Churcham and Charles as 29/11/1807 again at Churcham
Phil

Christina? (reply)

dwmann — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 13:39:48 +0000

Not a red herring but haven't established whether or not they were related. They were my 3rd great grandparents. Very interested to find out about Christian or Christianna's mother Grace Munday if anyone can help.
david

Christina? (reply)

ChrisW — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 13:29:02 +0000

I came across a Christiana Mann on this site. She was born in 1808 and baptised 1812 at Awre. Her parents were John Mann and Grace (nee Munday). Henry might have married a cousin - or this could be a complete red herring!

Second Marriage for Henry 1865? (reply)

ChrisW — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 12:52:36 +0000

Looks like Christina popped her clogs but I can't find a burial for her.
William was deceased by this time but it doesn't say that on this record.

record_id 1613
Entry No 44
Year 1865
Month Sep
Day 30
Groom Surname MANN
Groom Forename Henry
Age at marriage Full age
Groom Condition Widower
Rank or Profession Sawyer
Place of Residence Blakeney
Groom Father's Surname MANN
Groom F.F. William
Rank or Profession Quarryman
Bride Surname CLARKE
Bride Forename Amy
Age at marriage Full age
Bride Condition Widow
Place of Residence Westbury-upon-Severn
Bride Father's Surname White
Bride Father's F. George
Rank or Profession Waterman
Licence or Banns Banns
Signature or Mark He marks She signs
Witness 1 Mark of Thomas Powell
Witness 2 Mark of Elizabeth Powell
Officiating Minister C Brooksbank
Event Type Marriage
Register Ref P50 in 1/5
Page 22
Parish/Chapel Blakeney

Burials for Wiiliam & Mary Mann 1845 & 1860 (reply)

buffylewis1 — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 12:31:32 +0000

hi chris i did find william on 1841 cens but nothing after. did find a mary mann residing with charles and harriet. thank you

Burials for William & Mary Mann 1845 & 1860 (reply)

ChrisW — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 12:11:28 +0000

Have this to chew on while I have a look for the rest!

record_id 1717
Entry No 963
Year 1845
Month Jun
Day 29
Surname MANN
Forename William
Place of Residence Blakeney
Age at death 77
Officiating Minister J H Malpes Vicar
Event Type Burial
Register Ref P30 in 1/10
Page 121
Chapel/Parish Awre

record_id 2176
Entry No 1422
Year 1860
Month Jul
Day 1
Surname MANN
Forename Mary
Place of Residence Blakeney
Age at death 70
Officiating Minister W W Wait
Event Type Burial
Register Ref P30 in 1/10
Page 178
Parish/Chapel Awre

Baptism for George Mann 1837 Blakeney/Marriage 1856 (reply)

buffylewis1 — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 12:04:37 +0000

hi thanks, if any help 1851 census have children of henry mann as follows eliza 2 mths..mary ann 2..ellen 5 ..henry 7..william..george 13..christien/christina age 40..correct family any idea as to christina maiden name? thanks chrisw appreciated. liz

Baptism for George Mann 1837 Blakeney/Marriage 1856 (reply)

ChrisW — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 11:43:41 +0000

Available to view on this site:

record_id 134197
Entry No 1270
Year 1837
Month July
Day 30
Parents Surname MANN
Child's Forename George
Father's Forename Henry
Mother's Forename Christien
Place of Residence Blakeney
Occupation Sawyer
Officiating Minister Theo Morgan
Event Type Baptism
Register Ref P50 in 1/1
Page No 159
Parish/Chapel Blakeney

record_id 1588
Entry No 19
Year 1856
Month Aug
Day 11
Groom Surname MANN
Groom Forename George
Age at marriage 19
Groom Condition Bachelor
Rank or Profesion Sawyer
Groom Residence Blakeney
Groom father's Surname MANN
Groom F.F. Henry
Rank or Profession Sawyer
Bride Surname SAUNDERS
Bride Forename Elizabeth
Age at marriage 18
Bride Condition Spinster
Place of Residence Blakeney
Bride Father's Surname Saunders
Bride F.F. Henry
Rank or Profession Labourer
Licence or Banns Banns
Signature or Mark Both sign
Witness 1 William Christie
Witness 2 Ann Christie
Officiating Minister C Brooksbank
Event Type Marriage
Register Ref P50 in 1/5
Page No 10
Parish/Chapel Blakeney

Henry MANN Blakeney

buffylewis1 — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 10:42:46 +0000

i, have henry mann married christina 17 aug 1836 at st mary de crypt glos.in the 1841 cens blakeney their children are george age 4..charles age 2..william age 1..henry is the brother of charles b abt 1807..james b abt 1810..parents of henry,charles and james were william and mary. in 1841 cens i have william age 70 and mary age 55.. parish awre district chepstow,newent.westbury on severn..any info appreciated. best regards liz