Thomas Collins 1850 (General)

by staceybartonhouse, Friday, November 26, 2010, 11:12 (4988 days ago)

I'm looking for information about Thomas Collins' parents.

All I know about Thomas at the moment is that he was born circa 1850 in East Dean and had 3 children with Julia Jenkins: Adelaide, Edith & Thomas W.

I believe Thomas may have emmigrated to America?

Any information on him or his parents would be very useful.

Thomas COLLINS 1848 ish Awre - candidate - discarded

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Friday, November 26, 2010, 11:17 (4988 days ago) @ staceybartonhouse

{one to discard}

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Thomas COLLINS 1850 ish Bristol

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Friday, November 26, 2010, 11:20 (4988 days ago) @ slowhands

1871 Ruspidge
Mary Ann Jenkins 58
Julia Jenkins 21
Damaris Jenkins 19
Mary Ann Jenkins 11
Thomas Collins 21 Bristol

Year: 1872
Month: Mar
Day: 6
Grooms_Surname: COLLINS
Grooms_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Age: 23
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Miner
Grooms_Residence: Bilson
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Collins
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: John
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Shoemaker
Brides_Surname: JENKINS
Brides_Forenames: Juliana
Brides_Age: 22
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Bilson
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Jenkins (deceased)
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Henry
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Miner
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: Both Sign
Witness_1: Mark of William Hall
Witness_2: Selina Hall
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: William Barker Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 37
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

1880 ???
Thomas Collins Railroad, Elko, Nevada abt 1850 England Miner

1881
Julia Collins abt 1851 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Head Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Husband in America
Adelaide Collins abt 1876 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Edith Collins abt 1878 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas W. Collins abt 1880 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
May A. Jenkins abt 1821 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Mother Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire

Adelaide in prior thread.
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=27097

Name: Julia Collins
Name: William James Parry
Year of Registration: 1883
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 352

Year: 1883
Month: May
Day: 21
Grooms_Surname: PARRY
Grooms_Forenames: William James
Grooms_Age: 36
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Brickmaker
Grooms_Residence: Bilson Woodside
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Parry (deceased)
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Quarry Man
Brides_Surname: COLLINS
Brides_Forenames: Julia
Brides_Age: 35
Brides_Condition: Widow
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Bilson Woodside
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Reese[?] (deceased)
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Henry John
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Miner
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: Both Sign
Witness_1: Mark of Simeon Brain
Witness_2: Honoris[?] Brain
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: William Barker Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 234
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

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Thomas COLLINS 1850 ish Bristol

by staceybartonhouse, Friday, November 26, 2010, 12:03 (4988 days ago) @ slowhands

Thank you! I've spent hours searching and it takes you guys no time at all. Amazing.

Julia PARRY - COLLINS nee JENKINS 1849-1932 Ruspidge

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Friday, November 26, 2010, 12:29 (4988 days ago) @ slowhands

Year: 1834
Month: Jun
Day: 20
Grooms_Surname: JENKINS
Grooms_Forenames: Henry
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Hundred of St Braivels
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: MEREDY
Brides_Forenames: Mary Ann
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Hundred of St Briavels
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He signs she marks
Witness_1: William Nash
Witness_2: Sarah Nash
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Henry W Sheppard Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/11
Page_Number: 270
Parish_Chapel: Newland

1841
Henry Jenkins abt 1806 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Mary Anne Jenkins abt 1816 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Job Jenkins abt 1835 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Amos Jenkins abt 1837 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

Year: 1849
Month: Sep
Day: 16
Parents_Surname: JENKINS
Child_Forenames: Julia
Fathers_Forenames: Henry
Mothers_Forenames: Mary Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Ruspidge
Occupation: Miner
Officiating_Minister: J G Smythies
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 33
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John

1851
Henry Jenkins abt 1804 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Jenkins abt 1812 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Job Jenkins abt 1836 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Enos Jenkins abt 1838 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Selina Jenkins abt 1844 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Julia Jenkins abt 1850 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

1861
Henry Jenkins abt 1804 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary A Jenkins abt 1813 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Salina Jenkins abt 1844 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Julia Jenkins abt 1850 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Dahians Jenkins abt 1852 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Enos Jenkins abt 1838 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Lodger East Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary A Jenkins abt 1860 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Stephen Stephens abt 1833 Hay, Herefordshire, England Lodger East Dean, Gloucestershire

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1881
Julia Collins abt 1851 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Head Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Husband in America
Adelaide Collins abt 1876 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Edith Collins abt 1878 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas W. Collins abt 1880 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
May A. Jenkins abt 1821 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Mother Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire

Name: Julia Collins
Name: William James Parry
Year of Registration: 1883
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 352

Year: 1883
Month: May
Day: 21
Grooms_Surname: PARRY
Grooms_Forenames: William James
Grooms_Age: 36
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Brickmaker
Grooms_Residence: Bilson Woodside
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Parry (deceased)
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Quarry Man
Brides_Surname: COLLINS
Brides_Forenames: Julia
Brides_Age: 35
Brides_Condition: Widow
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Bilson Woodside
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Reese[?] (deceased)
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Henry John
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Miner
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: Both Sign
Witness_1: Mark of Simeon Brain
Witness_2: Honoris[?] Brain
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: William Barker Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 234
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

1891
William J Parry abt 1846 Blaenavon, Wales Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Julia Parry abt 1851 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Edith Collins W abt 1878 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas W Collins abt 1880 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
William Parry abt 1885 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Henry Parry abt 1888 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
William Ambury abt 1819 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Lodger East Dean, Gloucestershire

1901
William Parry abt 1846 Llanelly, Glamorgan, Wales Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Julia Parry abt 1849 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
William Parry abt 1885 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Henry Parry abt 1888 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

1911
PARRY JULIA F 1850 61 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
PARRY HENRY M 1888 23 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
PARRY WILLIAM M 1885 26 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
PARRY PRISCILLA F 1871 40 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire ???


Year: 1932
Month: Nov
Day: 7
Surname: PARRY
Forenames: Julia
Residence: Ruspidge E[ast] D[ean]
Age_at_death: 84
Officiating_Minister: J W Yeandle Hignell
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/15
Page_No: 163
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John

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Julia PARRY - COLLINS nee JENKINS 1849-1932 Ruspidge

by CINDERFORD PARRY/COLLINS @, Friday, March 29, 2019, 13:17 (1943 days ago) @ slowhands

Hi. I am Philip Collins, the grandson of Frederick Arthur Collins about whom my family have little knowledge. I have the following facts and questions arising:

The Amman Valley Chronicle and East Carmarthen News – Thursday December 7th 1914

The Tumble Colliery Fatality. Haulier Sustains Death-dealing Kick.
An inquest was held by Mr. W. W. Brodie at Tumble (near Llanelly), concerning the death of Frederick Arthur Collins (38), 76, High Street, Tumble, a colliery haulier, who was found dead in a stable. Henry Parry, St. John's, Cinderford, a step-brother of the deceased, said he last saw Collins four months ago.

The funeral took place on Friday at the Parish Church at Llannon. Deceased leaves a widow (Virginia Evonial Blanche Collins nee Llewellyn) and three young children (Frederick Llewellyn Victor Collins, Leoline Handel Llewellyn Collins [my father], and Harry Parry Gleeford Collins).

From the above, it would seem Frederick Arthur Collins was born circa 1876.

It is known in the family that Frederick’s mother was named Julia and lived in the Cinderford area. Why isn’t Frederick Arthur Collins listed on forum data for 1881 when he would have been around 5 years old?

What was Thomas Collins doing in America in 1881?

What is known of Thomas Collins’ death before Julia remarried William James Parry in 1883?

I note that William Parry abt 1846 was recorded as being in Llanelly (near Tumble), Glamorgan in 1901.

Any help and information gratefully appreciated!

Julia PARRY - COLLINS nee JENKINS 1849-1932 Ruspidge

by MPGriffiths @, Friday, March 29, 2019, 18:07 (1943 days ago) @ CINDERFORD PARRY/COLLINS

On the GRO INDEX -

Frederick Arthur COLLINS, death - 1914, D Qtr in Llanelli Volume 11A Page 1329

Gives his age as 33 not 38 = c1881


1911 census

Pembrokeshire
Grondre & Llandissilio West

Back Cottage
Clyde.....


(as spelt by Ancestry)

Virginia Eronial Blanch COLLINS - aged 29 - married 6 years, 3 children born alive, 3 living, born Glamorgan, Mardy

Frederick Llwellyn Victor Collins - son aged 5 - born Carmarthen, Clynd.... **

John Haydon Gilray COLLINS - son aged 4 - born Pembrokeshire Clyn....

Leolin Handel Llewellyn COLLINS - son aged 1 - born ditto

Viriginia and the two oldest Sons, speak Welsh and English


** birth register O/N/D Qtr 1905, Narberth, District, Pembrokeshire


Probate

COLLINS Frederick Llewellyn Victor of 2 Purcell Rd, New Marston, Oxford
died 4 February 1968, Administration Oxford, 25 April : £16,957

Julia PARRY - COLLINS nee JENKINS 1849-1932 Ruspidge

by MPGriffiths @, Friday, March 29, 2019, 18:40 (1943 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index

Name: Blanche LLEWELLYN

1904

O/N/D Qtr

REgistration district: Haverfordwest

Inferred COUNTY : Pembrokeshire


Names on Page

Frederick COLLINS
James GRIFFITHS
Mary OWENS

Julia PARRY - COLLINS nee JENKINS 1849-1932 Ruspidge

by MPGriffiths @, Friday, March 29, 2019, 20:55 (1943 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

?

This is the 1911 Census

48 Railway Terrace Tumble, Llanelly, Carmarthenshire

The householder is

Henry BRUNSDON - aged 40 born Straton, Gloucestershire
his wife is

Rosina BRUNSDON - age 40 born Lydbrook, Gloucestershire

various children

but a lodger

Fred COLLINS, Boarder aged 29 married : Labourer, Colliery Underground born, Clynderwen, Pembrokeshire

(has 3 children crossed out)


? This could possibly be Fred - as the 1911 census, gives the place of birth of the children of Fred at the same place.

Julia PARRY - COLLINS nee JENKINS 1849-1932 Ruspidge

by CINDERFORD PARRY/COLLINS @, Friday, March 29, 2019, 21:24 (1943 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

Thank you so much for all your kind information. If Frederick Arthur COLLINS was aged 33 when he died in 1914 and not 38 as published locally. Frederick's corresponding and approximate date of birth in 1881 struggles to fit in with:

1881
Julia COLLINS abt 1851 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Head Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Husband in America
Adelaide COLLINS abt 1876 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Edith COLLINS abt 1878 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas W. COLLINS abt 1880 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire

Frederick Arthur COLLINS abt 1881 ??

The family understands that John Haydon Gilroy COLLINS died very young – tbc
Harry Parry Gleeford COLLINS was born abt 1912 - tbc

Fascinating!

Julia PARRY - COLLINS nee JENKINS 1849-1932 Ruspidge

by Mike Pinchin @, Bedford, England, Friday, March 29, 2019, 22:23 (1943 days ago) @ CINDERFORD PARRY/COLLINS

From Genes Reunited,

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
First Name John H G
Last Name Collins
Gender Male
Year 1920
Birth Year 1907
Birth Month
Birth Day
District Haverfordwest
County Pembrokeshire
Country Wales
Volume 11A
Event Quarter 3
District Number
Page 1173
Line Number 7
Entry Number
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007

Julia PARRY - COLLINS nee JENKINS 1849-1932 Ruspidge

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Friday, March 29, 2019, 23:39 (1943 days ago) @ CINDERFORD PARRY/COLLINS

FreeBMD has;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Mar 1907 (>99%)
COLLINS John Haydon G Narberth 11a 1280

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/narberth.html


Another free-to-use site, and more user-friendly,
https://www.familysearch.org ;

John Haydon Gilroy Collins
Wales, Carmarthenshire, Parish Registers
Name John Haydon Gilroy Collins
Event Type Baptism
Event Date 24 Jun 1907
Event Place Llandissilio, Carmarthenshire, Wales


1911 Grondre, Clynderwen, Pembrokeshire, Wales
Household Roll Sex Age Birthplace
Virginia Evonial Blanches Collins Wife F Married. 29 Galmorgan Mardy, Glamorganshire
Frederick Llwellyn Victor Collins Son M 5 Clyndewen, Carmarthenshire
John Haydon Gilroy Collins Son M 4 Clyndawen, Pembrokeshire
Leoline Handel Llwelyn Collins Son M 1 Clyndawen, Pembrokeshire

(Where's the head of the house, should be here !)


Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Births Mar 1882
Llewellyn Virginia Evonial B Pontypridd 11a 382

Name John Haydn Gilroy Collins
Event Type Burial
Event Date 12 Sep 1920
Event Place Llannon, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Age 13
Birth Year (Estimated) 1907

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Surname First name(s) Mother/Spouse/Age District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1939
Collins Leoline H L Eveson Birmingham 6d 1400
Eveson Eirwen M Collins Birmingham 6d 1400

Surname First name(s) Mother/Spouse/DoB District Vol Page
Deaths Dec 1972
Collins Leoline Handel L 10Ja1910 W.Bromwich 9b 2194

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Surname First name(s) Mother/Spouse/Age District Vol Page
Deaths Mar 1968
COLLINS FREDERICK L V 62 OXFORD 6B 1381

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Name Harry Parry G Collins
Event Type Death Registration
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year 1999
Registration District Ystradgynlais
County Brecknockshire
Event Place Ystradgynlais, Brecknockshire, Wales
Birth Date (available after June quarter 1969) 13 Oct 1913
Volume 8811
Page 21
Citing this Record

"England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903


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Name Frederick A Collins
Event Type Death
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year 1914
Registration District Llanelly
County Carmarthenshire
Event Place Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Age 33
Birth Year (Estimated) 1881
Volume 11A
Page 1329
Affiliate Line Number 107
Citing this Record

"England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007," database, FamilySearch

AND

Name Frederick Arthur Collins
Event Type Burial
Event Date 11 Dec 1914
Event Place Llannon, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Age 33
Birth Year (Estimated) 1881
Citing this Record
"Wales, Carmarthenshire, Parish Registers, 1538-1912," database, FamilySearch.

For period info abt Llannon see https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/Llannon

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Name Frederick Arthur Collins
Event Type Marriage Banns
Event Date 04 Jun 1911
Event Place Llandeilo Fawr, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Spouse's Name Mary Elizabeth Urie
Citing this Record
"Wales, Carmarthenshire, Parish Registers, 1538-1912," database, FamilySearch.

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/LlandeiloFawr

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1911 Llandilo Urban, Llandilo, Carmarthenshire, Wales.
Household Roll Sex Age Birthplace
William Stephens Head M 41 Married. Butcher. Llandilo, Carmarthenshire
Elizabeth Stephens Wife F 38 Llanfynydd, Carmarthenshire
Dorothy M Stephens Daughter F 16 Llandilo, Carmarthenshire
Rose G Stephens Daughter F 11 School. Llandilo, Carmarthenshire
William Evans Assistant M 35 Assisting in the business. Llanbrdr, Denbighshire
Alfred Levi Assistant M 22 Assisting in the business. Fulham, Middlesex
Mary Elizabeth Urie Servant F 28 Single. General Service Domestic. Manchester, Lancashire.

So Mary born abt 1883, Manchester.


Name Mary E Urie
Event Type Census
Event Date 31 Mar 1901
Event Place Sale, Cheshire, England
County Cheshire
Civil Parish Sale
Ecclesiastical Parish Sale St Anne
Sub-District Altrincham
Registration District Bucklow
Gender Female
Age 15
Occupation SCHOLAR
Birth Year (Estimated) 1886
Birthplace Manchester
Page Number 5


FreeBMD confirms

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Births Jun 1886
URIE Mary Elizabeth Manchester 8d 235

and

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1911
Collins Frederick A Llandilofawr 11a 2047
URIE Mary E Llandilofawr 11a 2047


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Ref Thomas Collins born Bristol c1850.
trying to add to Slowhands' earlier work, but too many possibles to choose from - which is no doubt why Slowhands didn't commit !


FamilySearch shows a few different Thos Collins born England c1850 but in USA at time of their 1880 Census. Some are with their families, but this looks like our man, as Slowhands indicated;

Name Thomas Collins
Event Type Census
Event Date 1880
Event Place Railroad, Elko, Nevada, United States
Gender Male
Age 30
Marital Status Single
Race White
Race W
Occupation Miner
Relationship to Head of Household Self
Relationship to Head of Household Self
Birth Year (Estimated) 1850
Birthplace England
Father's Birthplace England
Mother's Birthplace England
Sheet Letter A
Sheet Number 100
Person Number 0
Volume 1


This one page of the Census shows almost all those listed are single men, mostly miners like Thomas, and many from overseas including the UK and Europe.
The Census image is on FamilySearch, see https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9YBL-9MY6?i=1&cc=1417683


It appears that at this time Railroad, Elko was something of a new "boom town".

"Elko lies along the route of the historic California Trail, it was first inhabited only in 1868, when it was at the east end of the railroad tracks built by the Central Pacific Railroad (the portion of the First Transcontinental Railroad built from California to Utah). When the railroad crews moved on, Elko remained, serving as a center for ranching, mining, rail freight and general supplies."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elko,_Nevada

So yet another example of a miner from the Forest going to the USA for work, altho in this case he's reached farther West than most.

Julia PARRY - COLLINS nee JENKINS 1849-1932 Ruspidge

by MPGriffiths @, Saturday, March 30, 2019, 08:23 (1943 days ago) @ CINDERFORD PARRY/COLLINS

GRO Index

COLLINS : Mother's Maiden Name: LLEWELLYN

Henry Parry Gleford

1913 O/N/D Qtr
Llanelly
Vol 11A
Page 2551


Harry Parry G COLLINS - birth date 13 October 1913

died 1999

Ystradgnlais, Brecknockshire, Wales

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England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index

Harry P G COLLINS
Spouse: Eryl JONES
Marriage: 07/1943 Ystradgynlais, Brecknockshire.

Julia PARRY - COLLINS nee JENKINS 1849-1932 Ruspidge

by CINDERFORD PARRY/COLLINS @, Saturday, March 30, 2019, 23:58 (1942 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

Many thanks to all for generously sharing your information, and for your kind time and work.

I now continue the search for further information regarding:

Frederick Arthur Collins born c1881
-a definitive (birth?) record linking Frederick to his parents Julia and Thomas
-records from Frederick's birth up to his marriage to V E B Llewellyn in 1904

Thomas Collins
-information concerning Thomas' travels from Cinderford to Elko, Nevada, United States in 1880
-records of Thomas thereafter until his widow Julia remarried William James Parry in 1883

What a journey!

Julia PARRY - COLLINS nee JENKINS 1849-1932 Ruspidge

by Mike Pinchin @, Bedford, England, Sunday, March 31, 2019, 19:51 (1941 days ago) @ CINDERFORD PARRY/COLLINS

The transcription of the baptism of Edith COLLINS on FODFHT gives the occupation of her father, Thomas, as a collier. However, the original image on Ancestry gives it as “Manager of Cooperative Stores”.

BNA Gloucester Journal - Saturday 12 July 1879

CINDERFORD. A Missing Secretary. —Considerable excitement has recently arisen in this district relative to the absence from home of Mr. Thomas Collins, secretary to the Cinderford Industrial Co-operative Association, and check weighman for the colliers at Lightmoor, and ex-secretary to the East Dean Ratepayers Protection Society. There are rumours that he had absconded, while it is fact that on Friday a warrant was obtained for his apprehension and placed in the hands of Sergt. Ford. On Sunday the Sergeant succeeded in arresting the missing secretary at Hereford railway station, with a Liverpool ticket in his possession. Collins is charged with obtaining £38, the property of the Co-operative Society. On Saturday the accounts of the society were placed in the hands of Mr. Wilkins, of Gloucester, the result of which investigation will doubtless adduced in support of the charge. On Friday night the colliers employed at Lightmoor assembled after their day’s labour for the purpose of electing a check weighman in the place of Mr. Thomas Collins. The choice fell upon Mr. Burrice,a young man who for some time was disabled from following his duties at the colliery.

From Ancestry Gloucestershire Prison Records

Name: COLLINS Thomas
Date and place of conviction: 31 July 1879, County Assizes
Offence: Obtaining money by false pretences
Sentence: Six months hard labour
Age, Height and colour of hair: 30.7m, 5.7, Bro.
Occupation: Check weighman
Religion and Birthplace: Church, Bristol
Number of previous convictions: Nil
Date of Discharge: Jan 30 1880

Julia PARRY - COLLINS nee JENKINS 1849-1932 Ruspidge

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Monday, April 01, 2019, 01:09 (1941 days ago) @ CINDERFORD PARRY/COLLINS

Good find Mike, looks like a good reason to go abroad for a few years until the fuss dies down.

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Sorry CP/C, despite again searching at length I cannot find any more records of the sort you're searching.
Quite a few Frederick Arthur COLLINS and Thomas COLLINS to consider in the Birth and Census records, but none are definite fits for our men beyond those already posted in this thread.

Odd.

Were they deliberately trying to elude the official records ?

Good luck !

Julia PARRY - COLLINS nee JENKINS 1849-1932 Ruspidge

by CINDERFORD PARRY/COLLINS @, Monday, April 01, 2019, 20:11 (1940 days ago) @ Jefff

Great work! I hope the following summary and assumptions for further research is correct:

1. Thomas Collins convicted 31 July 1879
2. Thomas William Collins (Son) born D Quarter 1879
3. Thomas Collins discharged 30 Jan 1880
4. Thomas Collins shown in the USA 1880 Census (1 June 1880) showing DOB about 1850
5. Thomas Collins recorded as in America in the UK 1881 Census (3 April 1881)
6. Julia Collins (Widow) marries William James Parry 21 May 1883
7. PARRY/COLLINS marriage certificate 6 March 1872 states Thomas Collins' age as 23 i.e. born circa 1849
8. Frederick Arthur Collins (Son) born circa 1881?

Assuming 5&6 are correct, Thomas Collins died after 3 April 1881 and before 21 May 1883, during which time, another son, Frederick Arthur was born circa 1881.

For consideration:
GRO death records show a Thomas (James?) Collins death record for M Qtr 1883, which subject to registration timings I understand may indicate actual date of death as early as late 1882:

COLLINS, THOMAS JAMES 32
GRO Reference: 1883 M Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 286

The location PORTSEA ISLAND (near Portsmouth) is interesting, given his sailing to and from America, if indeed he did return.

Where would Thomas have served his sentence for hard labour?
Any further convictions?
How was his trip to and from America funded?

The search concerning Frederick Collins' birth (and under what registered name) continues. Any further information and advice much appreciated.

Julia PARRY - COLLINS nee JENKINS 1849-1932 Ruspidge

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Tuesday, April 02, 2019, 01:05 (1940 days ago) @ CINDERFORD PARRY/COLLINS

As said before, these names are far from unusual, so it's very difficult to be certain of more facts beyond what we've all found as you've listed.

Indeed, just because his wife's Julia's declared herself a widow, and remarried, this in itself doesn't prove that Thomas has actually died. He may just be living elsewhere, possibly America - this forum's seen plenty of examples where couples have separated in this way, gone their separate ways, and then started afresh. Don't forget in those days there was no Social Security databases etc which might catch-out fibs such as this. Similarly Julia may have believed Thomas was dead, when he may not have been, they were literally worlds apart in 1881.

The various searches we've done, and presumably you as well, shows just how many Thomas Collins' were born in the "Bristol" area c1850 - you almost need to trace ALL these different men, and their lives, before you can discount them as possibly our man.

And then again, so he's apparently from Bristol ? - which in those days was still a busy international port, despite falling behind the likes of Liverpool by the mid 1800s. But without any more evidence than his word, is this fact ?. This MAY mean he wasn't actually born there, but just claims to be "from" there, perhaps it was his port of arrival as an immigrant from Ireland - his name is "very" Irish. And at that time Irish immigrants often tried to hide their background, as they were often seen to be "trouble"... This may explain his apparent desire to stay "under the radar" and avoiding the 1851 & 1861 Census' etc - or maybe he was in Ireland at that time ?

So many unknowns, so many possibles ??

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Perhaps he spent his early years in the Army, and this FamilySearch record is his ?
Somerset was an important mining area at this time, with the output going via Bristol docks. If he was born into the Army, that might explain the problems trying to find his birth record.

Name Thomas Collins
Event Type Pension
Event Year Range 1760-1913
Event Place United Kingdom
Birthplace Somerset
Birth Year (Estimated) 1851

"United Kingdom, Chelsea Pensioners' Service Records, 1760-1913," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5CQ-MWV : 10 December 2017)


Re the British Army in the 1850s and 1860s;

"the late 1850s mark the highpoint of British power. That was the period when Britain was able to fight and win wars in Russia, China and India at almost the same time (admittedly with the help of allies), and the country was at the peak of its wealth and relative influence. Britain alone — not counting its empire — accounted for about 10% of the world's GDP during this period.
In 1854, the British Army had a total strength of 140,043 men. Of that number 39,750 were stationed in the colonies, 29,208 in India, and the remaining 71,085 in the British Isles. Around 30,000 troops would be sent to the Crimea. It was an all-volunteer, professional force.
The forces of the British East India Company should also be mentioned. In 1857 the company maintained a private army of 357,000 men — more than twice as large as the official British Army! Around 46,000 of those troops were Europeans, the other 311,000 were locally-recruited Indians."
https://www.quora.com/What-was-the-size-and-might-of-the-armed-forces-of-the-British-em...

So it's not impossible to believe that Thomas may have been born into the Army, where his father was serving oversees...

???

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If he did indeed die in the USA c1881, maybe this is him ?
Maybe he kept moving on west thro' the railroad town of Elko Nevada and was in Colma (San Francisco) on the west coast a few months later ??
Frisco was born on the Gold Rush - it was a small settlement of about 200 residents in 1846, but after the gold was discovered it was a boomtown of about 36,000 by 1852 !. This growth continued for some years, altho' admittedly by 1880 it was on the downturn again.

Name Thomas Collins
Event Type Burial
Event Date 1881
Event Place Colma, San Mateo, California, United States of America
Photograph Included N
Death Date 05 Sep 1881
Affiliate Record Identifier 105005330
Cemetery Holy Cross Catholic Cemetery

???

NB: the otherwise small town of Colma has a massive number of large cemeteries !
https://allthatsinteresting.com/colma-california


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Ref his funding his journey to America, in 1880 the cheapest (steerage) class fares were at a very low price indeed compared to just a few years earlier, so perhaps not a problem to a hard-working miner ? The shipping companies were very keen to fill their ships and promoted them heavily.

Maybe this is him, again from FamilySearch, but please be reminded their records show several "Thomas Collins".


Name Thomas Collins
Event Type Immigration
Event Date 1880
Event Place New York City, New York, United States
Gender Male
Age 25
Birth Year (Estimated) 1855
Birthplace England
Ship Name City Of Montreal

Here is an image of that actual passenger list - as you can see they didn't take extensive details !
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939V-5Y9Y-YW?i=916&cc=1849782


This next page shows how intensive was the business of shipping migrants across the Atlantic; click on any ship on this long list, and you'll find each ship making dozens of crossings with many thousands of passengers. The "City of Montreal" is one of the ships listed. And this example is all in just one short month of one year, 1880.
http://www.norwayheritage.com/t_transatlantic.asp?month=05&year=1880

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Alternatively, perhaps he managed to find a ship needing crewmen, and he could work his fare. Indeed, as a young lad "from" Bristol he might even have been a sailor in those early years, and another good way of dodging (inadvertantly or otherwise) the census records.

???

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But again, given the sheer number of records available that MAY be your Thomas, who really knows for sure ??

I think the fact is that because his name is not at all rare (even when combined with his date of birth), I think we may never know the answer to some of your questions. I also believe you're lucky to have an ancestor with a really interesting story, Thomas was clearly something of a "character" who led an "interesting" life which should be celebrated.
I do hope you find more answers.


atb J

Julia PARRY - COLLINS nee JENKINS 1849-1932 Ruspidge

by MPGriffiths @, Tuesday, April 02, 2019, 11:00 (1940 days ago) @ CINDERFORD PARRY/COLLINS

In previous reply - Thomas COLLINS conviction 28 July 1879 - gives his age as 30 years and 7 months = January 1849 and Religion: Church.


The names he gives his first two girls: Adelaide 1876 and Edith 1878 - could well be family names..


? on the 1881 census, where is William J BARRY (Brickmaker) - born 1846, Blaenavon, Wales

Julia PARRY - COLLINS nee JENKINS 1849-1932 Ruspidge

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Wednesday, April 03, 2019, 01:57 (1939 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

Thanks MPG for reminding me that he gave this specific information abt his birth and religion. Sorry for losing focus of this, think my mind was overwhelmed by my searches seeing several pointers to him possibly being Irish, perhaps due to my using an American database which may be biased in this respect?.

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I've just searched for Adelaide and then Edith under the hope they were his mother or aunt and so born between 1800 and 1840, and at one time living in Bristol area. To my surprise I found Adelaide a more common name hence "fit" than Edith, this one particularly;

1851 Spring Street, Bedminster, Somerset, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Joseph Collings Head M 55 Gardner. West Pennard, Somerset
Sarah Collings Wife F 52 Kilmersdn, Somerset
Angelina Collings Daughter F 23 Unmarried. Brislington, Somerset
Adelaide Collings Daughter F 20 Unmarried. Brislington, Somerset

(NB: Bedminster is in Bristol, Brislington is on the southern edge of Bristol.)


1861 East Redcliff Cresent, Bedminster, Somersetshire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Joseph Collins Head M 65 Gardener. Wells, Somerset
Sarah Collins Wife F 62 ..., Somerset
Angelina Collins Daughter F 34 Unmarried. Milliner & Dressmaker. ..., Somerset
Adelaida Collins Daughter F 30 Unmarried. NO OCCUPATION GIVEN ? ..., Somerset
Abraham Collins Son M 21 Clerk tea trade. Bristol, Somerset
John Ruddock Boarder M 30 Widower. Engine fitter. Bristol, Somerset
Matilda Ruddock Boarders Daughter F 7 Bristol, Somerset
Charles Nichols Boarder M 24 Clerk. Taunton, Somerset

I cannot find any later marriage or Census record for Adelaide.
John Ruddock remarried Aug 1861, and was still married to same lady in 1901, and not Adelaide.

However;

Name Charles Nichols
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 02 Apr 1864
Event Place Bedminster, St John, Somersetshire, England
Gender Male
Marital Status Single
Father's Name Edward Nichols
Spouse's Name Angelina Collins
Spouse's Residence Place Bedminster, St John, Somersetshire
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Marital Status Single
Spouse's Father's Name Joseph Collins


1871 Bedminster, Somersetshire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Charles Nichols Head M 34 Contractor's foreman. Cleeve, Somerset
Angelina Nichols Wife F 36 Bristol
Joseph Collins Father-in-law M 73 West Pennard, Somerset

IT MAY ??? be significant that by 1891 they MAY be living in the Forest of Dean !!
Is this them ? Probably not, yet...

1891 Church Street, Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire.
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Charles Nichols Head M 54 Hotel keeper. England
Annie Nichols Wife F 48 Dorsetshire, England
Ernest Walkins Servant M 16 Gloucestershire, England

Cannot find them in 1881 Census - sounds familiar..

There are only a couple of Chas Nichols in the FoD PRs.

Angelina Nichols is not such a rare name in the BMD records as I first assumed.

Not conclusive, but ????

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I also cannot find any obvious birth records in FreeBMD for Thomas CollinGs, a spelling variation I hadn't previously considered.

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Haha, my muddled mind's just been searching for William J Barry, not Parry, oops.

Revisiting the previous posts by Slowhands, we know;

Year: 1883
Month: May
Day: 21
Grooms_Surname: PARRY
Grooms_Forenames: William James
Grooms_Age: 36
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Brickmaker
Grooms_Residence: Bilson Woodside
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Parry (deceased)
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Quarry Man

So was born abt 1846 and lived in Cinderford, East Dean, working as a brickmaker.
According to the 1891 & 1901 census, he was born in Blaenavon Monmouthshire or Llanelli, Glamorgan.

FamilySearch gives;

1871 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Household, Role, Sex, Age, Birthplace
William Parry Head M 56 Labourer. Monmouthshire
Mary Parry Wife F 48 Laundress. Coleford, Gloucestershire
Wm James Parry Son M 25 Brickmaker. Blancevon, Monmouthshire
John Parry Son M 19 Miner. Llennoy, Brecknockshire
Sarah Ann Parry Daughter F 16 Gen Servant. Coleford, Gloucestershire
James Parry Son M 13 Coleford, Gloucestershire


Record_ID: 48810
Entry_Number: 318
Year: 1879
Month: Jan
Day: 11
Grooms_Surname: HARRIS
Grooms_Forenames: Moses
Grooms_Age: 30
Groom_Condition: Widower
Grooms_Occupation: Coal Miner
Grooms_Residence: Bilson
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Harris (deceased)
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Moses
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Coal Miner
Brides_Surname: PERRY
Brides_Forenames: Sarah
Brides_Age: 24
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Bilson
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Parry
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Coal Miner
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: Both Sign
Witness_1: John Parry
Witness_2: Jane Parry
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: William Barker Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 159
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex_Groom: H620
Soundex_Bride: P600


Record_ID: 92636
Entry_Number: 1095
Year: 1880
Month: Feb
Day: 5
Surname: HARRIS
Forenames: Sarah
Residence: Ruadean Hill
Age_at_death: 24
Officiating_Minister: A F Burgoyne Curate
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death: [not sta
Memoranda: Name is annotated Upper Yd 5 Row 13
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/12
Page_No: 137
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex: H620


1881 High Street, East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Household, Role, Sex, Age, Birthplace
Moses Harris Head Male 33 Widower. Coal miner. E Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Mary A Harris Daughter Female 1 E Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Mary Parry Mother In Law Female 55 Widow. Newland, Gloucestershire, England
Wm Parry Brother In Law Male 33 Brickmaker. Llanover, Monmouthshire, England
James Parry Brother In Law Male 24 Brickmaker. Newland, Gloucestershire, England


(Llanover is near Abergavenny.)

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Mar 1846
Parry William James Abergavenny 26 30

Julia PARRY - COLLINS nee JENKINS 1849-1932 Ruspidge

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Wednesday, April 03, 2019, 02:57 (1939 days ago) @ Jefff

Darn it, I now see the Charles and Annie Nicholls at a Westbury on Severn "hotel" in 1891 were definitely NOT our family from Bristol.

Their "hotel" was presumably the old Red Lion inn, (or Lyon as it is now...), and luckily the GlosPubs site page can be linked here, which shows that Charles was still there c1906.
http://www.gloucestershirepubs.co.uk/AllGlosPubsDatabase/RAIGConnection.php?pubid1=2351


Sure enough, searching him again finds;


1901 Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire, England.
Household Roll Sex Age Birthplace.
Charles Nichols Head M 63 Innkeeper. Coaton, Northamptonshire
Bessie Offord Niece F 34 Poole, Dorestshire
Percival Guy Offord Nephew M 11 Leytonstone, Essex
Charles Ireland Servant M 14 Painswick, Gloucestershire


1911 Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire, England.
Household Roll Sex Age Birthplace
Charles Nichols Head M 73 WIDOWER. LICENSED VICTUALLER. Coton Northampton, Northamptonshire
Bessie Offord Niece F 4 Poole, Dorsetshire


Name Charles Nichols
Event Type Death
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year 1922
Registration District Westbury On Severn
County Gloucestershire
Event Place Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire, England
Age 86
Birth Year (Estimated) 1836
Volume 6A
Page 226
Affiliate Line Number 80

Ah well...

Julia PARRY - COLLINS nee JENKINS 1849-1932 Ruspidge

by Mike Pinchin @, Bedford, England, Tuesday, April 02, 2019, 20:46 (1939 days ago) @ CINDERFORD PARRY/COLLINS

In the 1911 Census, Church Road, Cinderford, Julia PARRY makes no entry in the “years the Present marriage” column because she is, by then, a widow for (probably) the second time. She goes on to record five living children and none who have died. The living children can be accounted for by Adelaide, Edith and Thomas W. COLLINS, and William and Henry PARRY. If she had another child, Frederick Arthur, by Thomas COLLINS why would she not acknowledge that child by recording six instead of five? Of course it is always possible that Frederick was not Thomas’s son and he was the result of a liaison when Thomas was in America. But why no registration for him? By 1881 were there not penalties for failing to register? However, he is clearly acknowledged as a step-brother by Henry Parry who apparently had contact with him after childhood.

Have you considered the possibility that Thomas William and Frederick Arthur were one and the same person? (It would not be the first time I have seen someone adopt a different set of given names in later life – my own grandfather was baptised Oliver John but appears in all later records as Thomas Oliver.) I know it introduces a small age discrepancy WRT his death in 1914 but such things are not uncommon in Family History matters when the knowledge of an informant has to be relied on.

Why he might have changed his given names I could only guess. If he did change them it would have to be sometime between 1891 and 1904.

I guess a search for Thomas William in censuses after 1891 might demonstrate the above is not correct. At the moment I cannot see anything definitive. Although his siblings, Adelaide and Edith, were baptised at Cinderford (this site) I can’t identify a baptism for him anywhere. Am I missing something?

Julia PARRY - COLLINS nee JENKINS 1849-1932 Ruspidge

by MPGriffiths @, Tuesday, April 02, 2019, 21:36 (1939 days ago) @ Mike Pinchin

GRO INDEX

Thomas William COLLINS - mother's maiden name: JENKINS

1879 December Qtr, Westbury on Severn, Vol 06A Page 262


- Thomas (the father) trial was 28 July 1879

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The marriage certificate of Blanche LLEWELLYN to Frederick COLLINS, Haverfordwest, Pembrokeshire in 1904 - should give 'Fred' father's name etc etc.

Julia PARRY - COLLINS nee JENKINS 1849-1932 Ruspidge

by CINDERFORD PARRY/COLLINS @, Friday, June 07, 2019, 12:29 (1873 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

Marriage Certificate finally obtained:

29th November 1904
The Register Office, Haverfordwest, Pembrokeshire

Frederick Collins - 23 years - Bachelor - Coachman - Clynderwen, Grondre

Father - Frederick William Collins (dec.) Manager of Timber Yard

Pending further research into Frederick William Collins:

Given that the inquest of Frederick Collins recorded testimony from Fred's step-brother, Henry Parry of St.Johns, Cinderford, could Fred and Henry's relationship as step-brothers possibly be established by Frederick William Collins and Thomas Collins sharing the same father?

Julia PARRY - COLLINS nee JENKINS 1849-1932 Ruspidge

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Wednesday, April 03, 2019, 16:46 (1938 days ago) @ Mike Pinchin

Just tried again to find Thomas William Collins on the census after 1891, and once again no luck whatsoever, insofar as plenty of men of that name but no obvious candidates for us.

Similar story I'm afraid re Frederick Arthur Collins, altho I am drawn to this record on the southern edge of the Brecon Beacons. It's only about 10 miles from Llandilo fawr, Carmarthenshire, where he married a few months later, and the birth year/place are "almost" correct....

??


1911 Ystradgynlais Lower, , Glamorganshire, Wales.
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Bernard Collins Head M 23 COAL MINER HEWER. Ireland
Martha Ann Collins Wife F 21 Wales, Brecknockshire
David Bernard Collins Son M 0
Frederick Arthur Collins Boarder M 26 WIDOW. COAL MINER HEWER. Herefordshire


I cannot see any records on FreebMD anywhere in the UK that definitely relate to this name after the aforementioned 1914 death records. Struggling to see his earlier marriage tho...

???

Julia PARRY - COLLINS nee JENKINS 1849-1932 Ruspidge

by Mike Pinchin @, Bedford, England, Wednesday, April 03, 2019, 20:29 (1938 days ago) @ Jefff

Hi Jeff,

That record of Frederick Arthur COLLINS looks like a transcription error. The original image on GR says Frederick Arthur JONES.

Julia PARRY - COLLINS nee JENKINS 1849-1932 Ruspidge

by CINDERFORD PARRY/COLLINS @, Friday, June 16, 2023, 16:55 (403 days ago) @ slowhands

PARRY - FIRST WORLD WAR CASUALTIES:

1911 Census:

PARRY HENRY M 1888 23 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
PARRY WILLIAM M 1885 26 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire

CWG:

Private
HENRY PARRY
Service Number: G/24566
6th Bn., Queen's Own (Royal West Kent Regiment) who died on 29 September 1918
Son of William and Julia Parry, of St. John's, Cinderford, Glos.
Remembered with Honour
VIS-EN-ARTOIS MEMORIAL
Panel 7.

Private
WILLIAM PARRY
Service Number: 12202
8th Bn., Gloucestershire Regiment who died on 03 July 1916 Age 33
Son of William and Julia Parry, of St. John's, Cinderford, Glos.
Remembered with Honour
THIEPVAL MEMORIAL
Pier and Face 5 A and 5 B.

I am travelling to France at the end of August to visit these two memorials, and would appreciate any photos or background of Henry and William.

Julia PARRY - COLLINS nee JENKINS 1849-1932 Ruspidge

by CINDERFORD PARRY/COLLINS @, Saturday, September 02, 2023, 13:41 (325 days ago) @ CINDERFORD PARRY/COLLINS

I was privileged to visit Thiepval Memorial earlier in the week to pay respects to my granduncle, William Parry, 8th Bn., Gloucestershire Regt. and to see where he fought and died.

I am happy to share photos and information with anyone who has an interest.

Any further information you may have on William Parry or his brothers would be greatly appreciated.

William PARRY WW1 1885 - 1916 RIP

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Thursday, September 14, 2023, 14:01 (313 days ago) @ CINDERFORD PARRY/COLLINS

Year: 1885
Month: Mar
Day: 19
Parents_Surname: PARRY
Child_Forenames: William
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Julia
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Upper Bilson (Cinderford)
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: William Cumberland
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born Jan[uary] 23 1885
Notes:
Register_Reference: D2598 2/12
Page_Number: 27
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford Methodist

W Parry 3rd July 1916

The list of Foresters who have made the
Great sacrifice in the present war or who are
Missing has, unfortunately, received further
Additions. Anxiety has for some time been felt
By his friends in respect of the fate of No 12202
Wiliam Parry, aged 31, single a native of
Cinderford and the son of the late Mr William
Parry and Mrs Julia Parry, St Johns. Several
Communications have been received in the district
From a comrade in which his death is
Referred to, and Mrs Parry has had a letter from
An officer of the Gloucestershire Regt. In which
He says :- “ Dear Madam, It grieves me very
Deeply to have to inform you that after we had
Been in action from the 3rd to the 5th inst.
Your son W. Parry was found to be missing.
I have asked everyone who was likely to have
Been with him during the fight if they had seen
Anything of him, but regret to say that no one
Appears to have seen him or known anything
About him. There is a slight chance that he
May have been wounded and taken prisoner by
The Germans, but I greatly fear that we can
Hold out little hope of this having taken place,
And we must console ourselves with the thought
That he died like a man, fighting for his country
On ground won back from the enemy – the finest
Death a man can die. The N.C.O.s and the men of
No. 16 platoon, by whom he was very greatly
Liked, wish to join me in this message of sympathy
To you in your great loss. Believe me,
Yours faithfully Campbell Keith P.S. I shall
Immediately inform you if I hear anything
Further of him .”

Private Parry worked as a collier at Lightmoor
And he was well liked and respected by
All. A brother is now in training for service.
His aged mother and other relatives have the
Deepest sympathy of our many readers.

"Corpl Harry Parry was killed in action on July 3rd 1916 at the battle of the Somme, after 11 months at the front. The battle of the Somme started July 1st 1916. The leading 8th battalion failed to take it. The 13th Glo'ster Regiment was ordered to go up to the front line to take La Boiseville on July 3rd, they were told the artillery had cleared the way, but as they approached the Germans came out of hiding. They had dug outs 50 foot underground, a lot of men were slaughtered. Harry was killed that day, no known grave, but his name is on the Thiepval Memorial, along with 72,000 others, all killed in the battle of the Somme. Harry's brother Jack Parry was also with the 13th Glo'sters, told his family that he had passed Harry on the trek to the front, he called to him 'see you', but that was the last he saw of him."

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

William PARRY WW1 1885 - 1916 RIP

by CINDERFORD PARRY/COLLINS @, Saturday, September 16, 2023, 19:49 (311 days ago) @ slowhands

Slowhands

I am so grateful for the research and kind reply you have once again so generously shared to help me with my search for information regarding my family history. This level of detail really provides a connection for me to William, his brother Henry (Harry) and the sad circumstances of their deaths along with so many others in the Great War.

Thank you.

thanks

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Thursday, September 21, 2023, 11:28 (307 days ago) @ CINDERFORD PARRY/COLLINS

you are welcome, sorry it took a while to track down the Press articles for you

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

thanks

by CINDERFORD PARRY/COLLINS @, Friday, September 29, 2023, 11:33 (299 days ago) @ slowhands

Slowhands

Good morning. Could you kindly share the link for the newspaper articles recording the deaths in action of William and Henry Parry?

Thanks once again!

thanks

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Friday, September 29, 2023, 15:15 (298 days ago) @ CINDERFORD PARRY/COLLINS

HI

I have enabled the email icon (above beside my name) If you drop me an email Ill try to send the newspaper scans that were transcibed

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

Pte Henry PARRY - WW1 1888 - 1918 RIP

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Thursday, September 14, 2023, 14:22 (313 days ago) @ CINDERFORD PARRY/COLLINS

Year: 1888
Month: May
Day: 24
Parents_Surname: PARRY
Child_Forenames: Henry
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Julia
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Woodside
Occupation: Brickmaker
Officiating_Minister: C. W. Houlston
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born Feb 12 1888
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/2IN 1/1
Page_Number: 47
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St Stephen

Two of Cinderford letter carriers, both
Excellent servants of the Post Office and both
Very much respected citizens were a few weeks
Ago, among the last contingent of worthy
Britishers who made the great sacrifice which
Has brought peace and we believe true liberty
To the world. Two official notifications have
Been received, one by the family and one by
Miss Alice G Lewis of Woodside Street
Of the death of Pte. John Parry, beloved son
of Mrs Parry, St. Johns. No letter having
been received for seven weeks, inquiries were
addressed to the authorities and Miss Lewis
received the following :- “B.E.F. France,8th
Nov 1918, Dear Madam, In reply to you
Letter of the 1st inst., I much regret to inform
You that No 24566 Pte H Parry was killed in
Action on the 29th September last, He was hit
During the recent successful advance in the
Neighbourhood of _________, and died instan
Taneously. I would ask you to please accept
My deepest sympathy with you in your great
Loos Believe me, yours faithfully H H Door
Captain and Adjutant the Queens Own
(Royal West Kent Regiment)”

The deceased soldier who was 30 years of age began his
Working life as a messenger at the Post Office
And was a faithful and good servant well
Respected by the post mistress and staff and by
The public generally. Mrs Cooksey ( the postmistress)
Has expressed her kind sympathy with the
Friends in their loss. He was long closely
Associated the St Johns Church and had
Server in the choir there,and in family life he
Was a devoted son and brother.He joined the
Army on May 15th 1916, and had been twice
To the front, returning the first time after suffering
From trench fever and shellshock and a
Slight wound. His friends will have the kindest
Thoughts of our readers in their time of grief.

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

Willam James PARRY and family Monmouthshire Cinderford J

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Thursday, September 14, 2023, 14:48 (313 days ago) @ CINDERFORD PARRY/COLLINS

1921
Parry Julia 1849—1921 1921 Census Of England & Wales
East Dean, Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire, England

1911 Church Rd Cinderford
Julia Parry Head Widow Female 61 1850 - Ruspidge Gloucestershire
William Parry Son Single Male 26 1885 Colliery roadman below ground Cinderford Gloucestershire
Henry Parry Son Single Male 23 1888 Town postman Cinderford Gloucestershire

William previous gave his birth as Blaenavon/Llanover nr Abergavenny not Glamorgan- more monmouthshire/Breconshire border
Llanellen ???

1901 ST Johns Cinderford
William Parry Head Married Male 55 1846 Care taker of schools Llanelly, Glamorganshire, Wales
Julia Parry Wife Married Female 53 1848 Care taker of schools Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England
William Parry Son Single Male 16 1885 Coal miner hewer Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England
Henry Parry Son Single Male 13 1888 - Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England

1891 Cinderford Tump / St Johns
William J Parry Head Married Male 45 1846 School keeper Blaenavon, Wales
Julia Parry Wife Married Female 40 1851 - Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England
Edith Collins Daughter - Female 13 1878 Scholar Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England
Thomas W Collins Son - Male 11 1880 Scholar Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England
William Parry Son - Male 6 1885 Scholar Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England
Henry Parry Son - Male 3 1888 - Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England

Year: 1883
Month: May
Day: 21
Grooms_Surname: PARRY
Grooms_Forenames: William James
Grooms_Age: 36
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Brickmaker
Grooms_Residence: Bilson Woodside
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Parry (deceased)
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Quarry Man
Brides_Surname: COLLINS
Brides_Forenames: Julia
Brides_Age: 35
Brides_Condition: Widow
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Bilson Woodside
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Reese[?] (deceased)
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Henry John
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Miner
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: Both Sign
Witness_1: Mark of Simeon Brain
Witness_2: Honoris[?] Brain
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: William Barker Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 234
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

1881 High St Cinderford
Moses Harris Head Widower Male 33 1848 Coal miner Gloucestershire, England
Mary A Harris Daughter Single Female 1 1880 - Gloucestershire, England
Mary Parry Mother in law Widow Female 55 1826 - Newland, Gloucestershire, England
William Parry Brother in law Single Male 33 1848 Brick maker Llanover, Monmouthshire, Wales

1871 St Johns Cinderford
William Parry Head - Male 56 1815 - Monmouthshire, Wales
Mary Parry Wife - Female 48 1823 - Gloucestershire, England
William James Parry Son - Male 25 1846 - Monmouthshire, Wales
John Parry Son - Male 19 1852 - Breconshire, Wales
Sarah Ann Parry Daughter - Female 16 1855 - Gloucestershire, England
James Parry Son - Male 13 1858 - Gloucestershire, England

1861 Whitecliff, Newland
William Parry Head Married Male 42 1819 Agricultural labourer Monmouthshire, Wales
Mary Parry Wife Married Female 39 1822 - Monmouth, Monmouthshire, Wales
William Parry Son - Male 15 1846 Labourer Newland, Gloucestershire, England
John Parry Son - Male 10 1851 Labourer Blaenavon, Monmouthshire, Wales
Sarah Parry Daughter - Female 6 1855 - Brecknockshire, Wales
James Parry Son - Male 3 1858 - Newland, Gloucestershire, England


First name(s) William James
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Last name Parry
Page 152
Birth year 1846
County Monmouthshire
Birth date ? ? 1846
Country Wales
Baptism year 1846
Record set Monmouthshire Baptisms
Baptism date 12 Apr 1846
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Place Blaenavon
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Father's first name(s) William
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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

Julia PARRY - COLLINS nee JENKINS filling some old gaps

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Thursday, September 14, 2023, 17:40 (313 days ago) @ slowhands

1911 48 Railway Terrace Tumble Llannon
Fred Collins Boarder Married Male 29 1882 Labourer colliery below ground Clynderwen Pem

1911 Back Cottage Clynderwen
Virginia Evonial Blanches Collins Wife Married Female 29 1882 - Galmorgan Mardy
Frederick Llwellyn Victor Collins Son - Male 5 1906 - Carmarthen Clyndewen
John Haydon Gilroy Collins Son - Male 4 1907 - Pembrokeshire Clyndawen
Leoline Handel Llwelyn Collins Son - Male 1 1910 - Pembrokeshire Clyndawen

First name(s) Blanche
Country Wales
Last name Llewellyn
Volume 11A
Marriage quarter 4
Volume as transcribed 11A
Marriage year 1904
Page number 2104
Registration month -
Blanche Llewellyn marries Frederick Collins
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
District Haverfordwest
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
Collections from Great Britain, Wales
County Pembrokeshire

1901 Farm, Woodstock, Ambleston, Haverfordwest
Blanche Llewellin Servant Single Female 19 1882 General servant domestic Mardy, Glamorganshire, Wales


Marriages Mar 1872 (>99%)
COLLINS Thomas Westbury S 6a 362
JENKINS Julia Westbury S. 6a 362

1871 St johns Ruspidge cinderford
Mary Ann Jenkins Head - Female 58 1813 - Gloucestershire, England needle woman cripple
Julia Jenkins Daughter - Female 21 1850 - Gloucestershire, England
Damaris Jenkins Daughter - Female 19 1852 - Gloucestershire, England
Mary Ann Jenkins Granddaughter - Female 11 1860 - Gloucestershire, England
Thomas Collins Boarder - Male 21 1850 - Bristol Coal Miner Boarder

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