George Gibbs (General)

by Ally, Thursday, August 23, 2018, 15:16 (2067 days ago)

I have found my grandfather George Gibbs listed on the 1891 census as a pauper and believe that he and his brother Emanual may have been placed in the Union Workhouse in Westbury after their parents George Gibbs senior and Elizabeth (nee Eamer) died in 1890 and 1889. George was born in the hamlet of Brain's Green in 1880. Could anyone advise me how to find out for sure if my grandfather did live in the workhouse.

George Gibbs

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Thursday, August 23, 2018, 16:43 (2066 days ago) @ Ally

Hi Ally, and a warm welcome to the forum and website.
Sadly I must be brief for now, sorry. If George was in the workhouse on Census day then the census record would say so, I presume this isn't the case here ?. (I don't curreently have census access). In later census' and BMD records they used a more p-c sounding address, in this case "Number 1, High St, Westbury".

There are some records available for Westbury workhouse but don't think they will help you, if you've not already seen it then please read thro this page.
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/WestburyOnSevern/

atb for now, J

George Gibbs

by probinson @, S. Oxon, Thursday, August 23, 2018, 18:24 (2066 days ago) @ Ally

Yes they were in the Workhouse.

This is the entry in the census:

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And this is the first page of the enumeration book showing the place:

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George Gibbs

by shepway @, Thursday, August 23, 2018, 18:39 (2066 days ago) @ probinson

The father George Gibbs was also in the Workhouse at the time of his death in 1891:
Year: 1891
Month: Jan
Day: 17
Surname: GIBBS
Forenames: George
Residence: Westbury Union
Age_at_death: 39
Officiating_Minister: WR Savage Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_No: 59
Parish_Chapel: Awre

George and Emanuel had 2 sisters, Amanda and Elizabeth and they were with relatives at time of the 1891 Census:

Awre
Name Relationship Gender Age Birth Year Birth Place Civil parish Ecclesiastical parish Residence Place Registration district Sub registration district ED, Institution or Vessel Piece Folio
Elizabeth Eamer Head Female 66 1825 Bristol Awre Blakeney Awre Gloucestershire England Newnham 3 2004 35
Arminda Gibbs Granddaughter Female 16 1875 Blakeney Gloucestershire England Awre Blakeney Awre Gloucestershire England Newnham

Bristol St Philip & St Jacob:
Name Relationship Gender Age Birth Year Birth Place Civil parish Ecclesiastical parish Residence Place Registration district Sub registration district ED, Institution or Vessel Piece Folio
Alice Windmill Head Female 42 1849 Gloucestershire England St Philip 14 1981 113
Alice J Windmill Daughter Female 20 1871 Gloucestershire England St Philip 14 1981 113
Mary A Windmill Daughter Female 19 1872 Gloucestershire England St Philip 14 1981 113
Alfred W Windmill Son Male 17 1874 Gloucestershire England St Philip 14 1981 113
Auther Windmill Son Male 13 1878 Gloucestershire England St Philip 14 1981 113
Charlotte L Windmill Daughter Female 10 1881 Gloucestershire England St Philip 14 1981 113
Bessie Windmill Daughter Female 9 1882 Gloucestershire England St Philip 14 1981 113
Albert J E V Windmill Son Male 4 1887 Gloucestershire England St Philip 14 1981 113
Elizabeth Gibbs Niece Female 12 1879 Blakeney Gloucestershire England

Mike

George Gibbs

by shepway @, Thursday, August 23, 2018, 18:51 (2066 days ago) @ shepway

Emanuel Gibbs is proving difficult to trace in the 1901 and 1911 Census returns but he is to be found as follows:

He joined the Navy in 1901:
Name: Emanuel Gibbs
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 6 Jul 1884
Birth Place: Lydney, Glos
First Service Date: 18 Jun 1901
First Ship Served On: Impregnable
Last Service Date: 16 Jul 1907
Last Ship Served On: Victory I
Service Number: 215350

Discharged 23 July 1907 with following comment "retention in service undesirable"


And was in Wakefield Prison in 1909:
Name: Emanuel Gibbs
Birth Year: abt 1883
Birth Place: Lydney
Age: 26
Event Date: 1 Jun 1909
Prison or Quarter Session: HMP Wakefield
Location: Wakefield, West Yorkshire, England
Sentence: Imprisonment or Servitude

Referring to the image we learn that he was a Miner, sentenced to 7 days hard labour and had 1 previous conviction.

Mike

George Gibbs

by MPGriffiths @, Thursday, August 23, 2018, 19:27 (2066 days ago) @ shepway

Ancestry

as the family were living in Bristol


?

1901 Census, Rudry, Waterloo Terrace, Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales

Emanuel GIBBS - age 17 - Tin House Man - born Bristol Gloucester, Boarder, - with Bacon V Whittaker, James Edmunds, Harry Holmes

George Gibbs

by shepway @, Thursday, August 23, 2018, 20:06 (2066 days ago) @ shepway

Details of First conviction:
Name: Emmanuel Gibbs
Birth Year: abt 1884
Birth Place: Gloucester
Age: 24
Event Date: 20 May 1908
Prison or Quarter Session: HMP Wakefield
Location: Wakefield, West Yorkshire, England
Sentence: Imprisonment or Servitude

Sentence: 9 months for Robbery with Violence committed with 2 others.

Mike

George Gibbs

by MPGriffiths @, Thursday, August 23, 2018, 18:31 (2066 days ago) @ Ally

?

There is a Burial of a George GIBBS - 17 January 1891, aged 39 Westbury Union - assume George Snr.


GRO INDEX

GIBBS: Charles Emmanuel - 1882 M Qtr - Westbury on Severn, mother's maiden name: EAMER

GIBBS: George - 1880 - S Qtr - Westbury on Severn, mother's maiden name: EAMER

George Gibbs

by MPGriffiths @, Thursday, August 23, 2018, 18:43 (2066 days ago) @ Ally

George Gibb's wife was Charlote EAMER not Elizabeth

Marriage at Awre: 15 August 1875

George GIBBS - full age, Bachelor, Labourer, residence: East Dean
father: Goerge GIBBS, occupation: lMason

Charlotte EAMER - full age, Spinster residence: Blakeney

father: Arthur EAMER, occupation: Hawker


witnesses: Thomas CADOGAN and Elizabeth EAMER

George Gibbs

by MPGriffiths @, Thursday, August 23, 2018, 18:46 (2066 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

1881 Census, Awre, Lowfield

GIBBS

George - 29 - Iron Worker, born Alyford, Newnham
Charlotte - 25 - born Bristol
Amanda - 5 - born Blakeney, Glos
Elizabeth 2 - born Alyford,
George - 9 moths, born Brains Green

?


Burial at Cinderford St John : 24 November 1889

Charlotte GIBBS aged 32 years, residence: Soudley, Cinderford

George Gibbs

by Mike Pinchin @, Bedford, England, Thursday, August 23, 2018, 20:43 (2066 days ago) @ Ally

An incident involving George senior and Charlotte,

BNA Gloucester Citizen - Saturday 13 August 1887

LITTLEDEAN PETTY SESSIONS.
Yesterday.—Before Sir Thomas Crawley Boevey, Bart, (in the chair), and Mr. Kussell J. Kerr.

LOSING HIS WIFE, HIS LODGER, AND HIS PROPERTY.
William Eamer, of Brain's Green, labourer, was charged with stealing a looking glass, a workbox, two pairs of sheets, and an oil painting, together of the value of £1.— George Gibbs, stonebreaker, said he was married twelve years ago to Charlotte Eamer, at Awre, and amongst his property he possessed the goods mentioned above. He saw them safe on Monday. There was lodger in the house named John Hunter. Witness missed the goods, his wife, and John Hunter on coming home from work on Monday night. He obtained search warrant, and the goods, (produced) were his. He went to the prisoner's house with the police, and on the latter asking for the articles they were thrown down to him. John Hunter and his wife were present. He also asked for his children who were there too. —P.C. Wilks said he read the search warrant on the 11th, and proceeded with the last witness on Thursday night to execute it. Prisoner said a lot of things had been brought to his house, but he did not know whose they were. Hunter and Gibbs' wife were there, and the latter said none of the goods were her husband's. Prisoner said he knew nothing of the goods, and called John William Carter Hunter, labourer, who he said was lodging with Gibbs at Brain's Green and left there last Monday afternoon. When he went Mrs. Gibbs was there. He knew the goods now produced, which he had seen at prosecutor's. Witness believed they were brought there by some "young ladies, neighbours. Mrs. Gibbs arrived at Earner's on Monday night. He could give no reason why Mrs. Gibbs left, but he himself could not stand “Gibbs's nonsense." The looking glass (produced) belonged to him. The names of the women who took the goods were Williams and Graves.— Florence Selina Williams, of Brain's Green, said she knew the parties and helped to fetch some of the goods on Tuesday evening at Mrs. Gibb's request, and to whom she gave them. She was paid 6d by Mrs. Gibbs for the work. —Prisoner said he took the parties in for "pity’s sake," and expressly forbade his sister (Mrs. Gibbs) to bring anything of her husband's.— The Bench dismissed the charge against prisoner, and prosecutor remarked that he would let his wife go if he could get his goods. (Laughter.)

BNA Gloucester Citizen - Saturday 20 August 1887

LITTLEDEAN PETTY SESSIONS.
Yesterday.—Before Sir Thomas Crawley Boevey, Bart, (in the chair), Messrs. Russell J. Kerr, and Arnold Thomas.

THE LODGER IN THE FAMILY.
John William Carter Hunter and Charlotte Gibbs were charged with stealing a looking-glass, sheet, an oil painting, &c, the property of George Gibbs. The case was heard last week against another man, but was dismissed. Mr. Whatley now appeared for the female prisoner. —Prosecutor, who lives at Brain Green, is a stonebreaker, and said Charlotte Gibbs was his wife, to whom he was married 12 years ago, at Awre. The property above mentioned was his, and he last saw it safe on the 8th inst., when he went out to work. Hunter was his lodger, having been with him about 14 months. On getting home the same evening, he found his wife, Hunter, and the property had disappeared. He went to William Eamer's with the police, and the articles (produced) were there, as were Hunter and witness's wife. Prisoners had treated him very badly previous to this, coming home very late at night occasionally. —By Mr. Whatley: For some time he was in the asylum, but had been living with his wife since. All the goods alleged to be stolen were his. He had been ill and was in receipt of parochial relief, but he could not say whether the sheets were bought at the time. The painting was bought three years ago. Hunter kept pigs, but witness could not say whether his wife was paid for looking after them. Florence Freeman, on receiving instructions from the female prisoner, took the goods to her own house, and on the following night to Eamers', giving the goods to Charlotte Gibbs. Charlotte Gibbshad said the looking glass belonged to Hunter. She did not think Gibbs and his wife had lived very happily together of late. Mary Ann Graves, who assisted the previous witness to take the goods to Eamer's on the 9th inst., gave similar evidence. William Eamer, of Blakeney, a brother of the female prisoner, and who was charged with the theft at the last court, said he did not see the articles until the police came to his house. His sister arrived in the evening. Hunter had been with witness and came back with him. Charlotte Gibbs stayed with him in the day, but night went to his mother's in the Awre-road. The other prisoner stayed with him day and night. Cross-examined : He sold the looking glass to Hunter, and was paid by his sister, who said she had the money from Hunter. Witness had from time to time supplied her sister with money, and she had come to him in the middle of the night from her husband. They had not lived happily together for six or seven years, since he came from the asylum at Gloucester.— The case was dismissed.

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