Samuel Hale and Mary Ann Jones who moved to Rotherham (Urgent)

by rookancestrybest @, United Kingdom, Saturday, November 12, 2022, 20:24 (83 days ago)

I am usually researching my mother's Forest of Dean family when I post messages on here but this time it is a relative of my father's family which I thought had absolutely no links with Gloucestershire!
My second cousin twice removed married a man whose mother was called Mary Ann Jones. Mary was born in Cinderford in 1851.Her father being William Jones from Horsley and her mother being Eliza Holder from Stroud. The father was called Keeling and his roots go back in the Rotherham area for at least three generations.
The sister of my relative's husband married Albert F. Hale. He was born in Rotherham in 1877. His father was Samuel Hale. He was born in Cinderford in about 1831 and his wife Charlotte Bolton/Botton/Boulton was born in Bridlington,Yorkshire in 1848. Samuel is listed as being a coal miner when living in Rotherham.
I am trying to see if Samuel Hale is in any way related to all the Hales I have on my mother's side in the Forest of Dean. I have a lot of names on my mother's tree associated with Hale, and Ann Jones' line so I am trying to see if there are any links from both of these. For the time being Ann Jones' line has given me something to work on as it can be traced back at least another generation but I am stuck with Samuel Hale.
The only baptism (I can't find a birth record) for a Samuel Hale I can find is a baptism at Mitcheldean Congregationalist Church in 1831. This particular Samuel appears to have had two brothers: Enoch and Thomas, they were both younger than Samuel. The parents are listed as being John and Mary but I can find nothing more on them. I have found burial records for a John Hale and a Mary Hale, done through the same congregational church, but they were both born in the 1780s so seem too elderly to be Samuel's parents, particularly in view of the fact that his brothers were younger than him.
Can anyone help me with this? Perhaps someone is related to those who went to Rotherham (Kimberworth area) and can shed some light on it? ANy information on Ann Jones but particularly on Samuel Hale would be very much appreciated.

John HALE 1782-1867 Shoe Maker Mitcheldean

by slowhands, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Sunday, January 22, 2023, 11:58 (12 days ago) @ rookancestrybest

Suspected John’s Parents
Year: 1781
Month: Nov
Day: 27
Grooms_Surname: HALE
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: [not stated]
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: of this parish
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: BAMFORD
Brides_Forenames: Lettice
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: [not stated]
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: of this parish
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: He signs she marks
Witness_1: Wm Meek
Witness_2: Mary Gay
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Griffith Davies Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P220 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 35
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean


Year: 1782
Month: Jun
Day: 2
Parents_Surname: HALE
Child_Forenames: John
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Letticea
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: John Harris Rector
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Son of
Notes: Mother's name Lettitia entered in the BTs. Thos Evans John Symons Churchwardens
Register_Reference: P220 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 3
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean

Suspect this is John Hales’ Brother ( John’s on is a Daniel)
Year: 1788
Month: Jun
Day: 24
Parents_Surname: HALE
Child_Forenames: Daniel
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Lettice
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Son of
Notes: Mother's name Lettuce entered in the BTs
Register_Reference: P220 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 9
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean


Year: 1814
Month: Sep
Day: 21
Parents_Surname: HALE
Child_Forenames: Daniel
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Hannah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: John Horlick
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Son of
Notes:
Register_Reference: D6026 8/1
Page_Number: 5
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean Congregational


1841 High St Mitcheldean
John Hale Male 59 1782 Gloucestershire, England shoe Maker
Mary Hale Female 48 1793 Gloucestershire, England
Daniel Hale Male 25 1816 Gloucestershire, England
George Ramsey Hale Male 16 1825 Gloucestershire, England
Hannah Hale Female 14 1827 Gloucestershire, England
Samuel Hale Male 9 1832 Gloucestershire, England
Enoch Hale Male 6 1835 Gloucestershire, England


1851 Millen (MILLER?) Street, Mitcheldean
John Hall Head Married Male 69 1782 Cordwainer Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England
Mary Hall Wife Married Female 62 1789 - Flaxley, Gloucestershire, England
Enoch Hall Son Unmarried Male 16 1835 Cordwainer Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England

Year: 1856
Month: Jan
Day: 20
Surname: HALE
Forenames: Mary
Residence:
Age_at_death: 67
Officiating_Minister: Joseph Lander
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: D6026 8/1
Page_No: 93
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean Congregational


Year: 1867
Month: Jan
Day: 17
Surname: HALE
Forenames: John
Residence:
Age_at_death: 85
Officiating_Minister: Joseph Lander
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: D6026 8/1
Page_No: 90
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean Congregational

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children of different parents living as a family in 1841

by slowhands, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Sunday, January 22, 2023, 12:10 (12 days ago) @ slowhands

Year: 1824
Month: Oct
Day: 27
Parents_Surname: HALE
Child_Forenames: George Ramsey
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: John Horlick
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Son of: Born Sept 25th
Notes:
Register_Reference: D6026 8/1
Page_Number: 11
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean Congregational

Year: 1826
Month: Dec
Day: 31
Parents_Surname: HALE
Child_Forenames: Hannah
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Hannah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: John Horlick
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Daughter of
Notes:
Register_Reference: D6026 8/1
Page_Number: 12
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean Congregational


Year: 1831
Month: Nov
Day: 20
Parents_Surname: HALE
Child_Forenames: Samuel
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: John Horlick
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Son of
Notes:
Register_Reference: D6026 8/1
Page_Number: 17
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean Congregational


would appear to be this Samuel but I think the two marriage certs need ordering to validate his parent - it looks like he is a Samuel son of Samuel for the marriage to Charlotte - I would recommend a copy of the Marriage certs

1861 Clifton Road, Attercliffe cum Darnall, Sheffield,
Samuel Hale Head Married Male 31 1830 Collier East Down, Gloucestershire, England
Hanh Hale Wife Married Female 24 1837 - Staffordshire, England
Emily Hale Daughter - Female 41857 - Handley, Staffordshire, England
Ruth Hale Daughter - Female 0 1861 - Attercliffe, Yorkshire, England

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Samuel HALE 1831 - 1891 East Dean - Rotherham

by slowhands, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Sunday, January 22, 2023, 22:43 (12 days ago) @ rookancestrybest

First name(s) Samuel
Memorial reference OG476
Last name Hale
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Birth year 1831
Country England
Age 60
Record set Yorkshire Monumental Inscriptions
Death year 1891
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Memorial location Kimberworth
Subcategory Parish Burials
Description St Thomas
Collections from England, Great Britain
Inscription In/Loving Memory Of/SAMUEL HALE/Who died April 17th 1891, aged 60 years/Also CHARLOTTE his wife/Who died April 20th 1901, aged 53 years/Also JOHN WILLIAM HALE, son of the above/Who died April 7th 1935, aged 61 years/"Re-united".


1891 95 Kimberworth Road, Kimberworth, Rotherham,
Samuel Hale Head Married Male 60 1831 Coal miner Gloucestershire, England
Charlotte Hale Wife Married Female 43 1848 - Bridlington
Samuel Hale Son Single Male 20 1871 Stone grate moulder Kimberworth, England
John W Hale Son Single Male 17 1874 Collier frammer Kimberworth, England
Arthur F Hale Son - Male 14 1877 Collier frammer Kimberworth, England
George E Hale Son - Male 12 1879 Scholar Kimberworth, England
Bertha C Hale Daughter - Female 0 1891 - Kimberworth, England

1881 95, Kimberworth Road, Kimberworth, Rotherham,
Samuel Hale Head Married Male 50 1831 Coal miner Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England
Charlotte Hale Wife Married Female 33 1848 - Bridlington, Yorkshire, England
Florence Hale Daughter Single Female 13 1868 - Rotherham, Yorkshire, England
Samuel Hale Son Single Male 10 1871 Scholar Rotherham, Yorkshire, England
John W Hale Son Single Male 7 1874 Scholar Rotherham, Yorkshire, England
Albert F Hale Son Single Male 4 1877 Scholar Rotherham, Yorkshire, England
Ernest G Hale Son Single Male 2 1879 - Rotherham, Yorkshire, England


1871 59 kimberworth Rd
Samuel Hales Head - Male 39 1832 - Gloucester Gloucestershire, England
Charlotte Hales Wife - Female 23 1848 - Yorkshire, England
Rose Hales Daughter - Female 10 1861 - Yorkshire, England
Florence Hales Daughter - Female 3 1868 - Yorkshire, England
Samuel Hales Son - Male 0 1871 - Yorkshire, England

Marriages Dec 1867 (>99%)
BOLTON Charlotte Rotherham 9c 744
HALE Samuel Rotherham 9c 744

First name(s) Samuel Last name Hale
Father's occupation Miner
Father's first name(s) Samuel Hall
Spouse's father's first name(s) John Bolton
Birth year 1831
Spouse's father's occupation Carter
Age 36
By licence or by banns B
Marital status B
Witness 1 Elizah Briggs
Occupation Miner
Witness 2 Emma Briggs
Residence Rotherham
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Marriage year 1867
Country England
Marriage date 25 Dec 1867
Archive Sheffield Archives & Local Studies
Marriage place Rotherham Minster
Archive reference PR-87-3-28
Dedication All Saints
Event type Marriages
Spouse's first name(s) Charlotte
Event year range 1866-1869
Spouse's last name Bolton
Page 120
Spouse's birth year 1847
Record set Yorkshire Marriages
Spouse's age 20
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Spouse's marital status S
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Spouse's residence Rotherham
Collections from England, Great Britain


Deaths Jun 1864 (>99%)
Hale Hannah Rotherham 9c 305


1861 Clifton Road, Attercliffe cum Darnall, Sheffield
Samuel Hale Head Married Male 31 1830 Collier East Down, Gloucestershire, England ( East Dean is written)
Hanh Hale Wife Married Female 24 1837 - Tunstall Staffordshire, England
Emily Hale Daughter - Female 4 1857 - Handley, Staffordshire, England
Ruth Hale Daughter - Female 0 1861 - Attercliffe, Yorkshire, England ( more likely Rose than Ruth in written census)

Births Sep 1860 (>99%)
HALE Rosehannah Sheffield 9c 372
Births Jun 1857 (>99%)
Hale Emily Stoke on T. 6b 134

Marriages Dec 1855 (>99%)
HALES Samuel Stoke T 6b 324
WAKEFIELD Hannah Stoke T. 6b 324

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