re so many in Llandogo so I am trying to find out which are my family, which is very difficult, but you have helped me quite a lot. If you find out any more I would be most grateful to receive it. I haven't bee doing this that long so I have a lot to learn.

Thank you again.
Kathryn.

' James ELLAWAY, master mariner of Brockweir, had a share in the 51 ton schooner, 'Castle' on 26 April 1846. The other share holder was trow owner, Charles WILLIAMS, of Llandogo. J ELLAWAY sold his share to C WILLIAMS on 11 September 1846'

James Ellaway - previous thread

www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=7763

Charles WILLIAMS - paents James & Frances

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'Elizabeth had an illegitmate child child Emma b 1845 ...... she was born in Cardiff - the next census she appears on is back in Monmouth as a Servant in 1861.

???

1851 Census, Cardiff St Mary

16 Gath? Street

HARRIS

James - 39 - Iron Ore weigher, born Glam St
Mary - 38 - born Monmouth Machin
Harriet - 13
Elizabeth - 11

and various children ++++

Emma WILLIAMS - adoptd daughter - 5 - Scholar, born Glamorgan, Cardiff

(Emma is not with this couple on the 1861 census)

1841 Census, Glamorgan, St John & St Mary

HARRIS

James - 25
Mary - 35
Harriet - 3
Elizabeth - 16 months

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1851 Census, Wales Cardiff St Mary

Llandogo

WILLIAMS

Charles - 64 - Waterman born Llandogo
Elizabeth - 62
Elizabeth - 32 - unmarried daughter

? next door

Sarah WILLIAMS - 32 - waterman's wife - born Glos. Frampton
Edwin - 2 - born Llandogo
William - 12 months

and 1841 Census

Glamorgan Llandogo

WILLIAMS

Charles - 55 - Mariner - all born in County
Elizabeth - 50
Elizabeth - 20
James RICKET WILLIAMS - 15
Fanny WILLIAMS - 15
James WILLIAMS - 12

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Freedbdm

James RICKET WILLIAMS married J/A/S qtr 1846, Monmouthshire

FoD Records

Marriage at Penalt Monmouth

15 July 1846

James Ricket WILLIAMS, full age, bachelor, Mariner
residence: Lone Lane
father: Charles WILLIAMS, master mariner

married

Cordelia PANTING, Minor, Spiner, Dressmaker,

residence: Lone Lane

father: James PANTING - cordwainer

by banns

witnesses: Augustus PANTING and Mary WILLIAMS

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FoD records

Baptism at Newland - 8 May 1850

WILLIAMS

Adeline Alice

father: James Rickets?

mother: Cordelia

residence: Whitecliff

occupation: Sailor

and

Burial at Newland - 25 September 1850

Cordelia WILLIAMS age 22, residence: Whitecliff

memoranda: Wife of James Rickets Williams

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1851 Census, Newland

PANTING

James - 57 Cordwainer
Elizabeth - 47
Alfred - 19
James WILLIAMS - son-in-law 28 - Master Mariner - born Landrgs Mon
Edwin Monday Partney - grandson - 4
Adeline A WILLIAMS - 11 months
Bettsy POWELL -13 - Servant

and

Burial at Newland - 2 October 1854

Adeline Alice WILLIAMS

residence: Whitecliff

age 4 y 5 m

daughter of James RICKETS and the late Cordelia WILLIAMS

First, please edit your post as it's not a good idea to include your full email address, unfortunately this may attract unwanted spam emails etc. See
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=9711
If other posters wish to contact you off the forum they can send you secure emails by clicking your "envelope" icon. At the least swop the @ for "at" or similar, I'm told this fools the automated systems that sweep the net for email addresses but I must say I'm not convinced this still works ?

Moving on, have you searched this site's Parish Record database for Charles & ELizabeth, I'm afraid I'm not sure from your post whether your given "b" dates are derived from the later Censuses(you don't mention them), or are they from PRs you've already found ?. This database does include Llandogo PRs, but not Trellech.
I have searched this forum for prior posts but cannot find any that are obviously related, although hopefully I'm wrong (again) in this respect and they are here....

From this site's LLandogo PRs there are several Williams, unsurprisingly, including the following which I suspect you've seen. However if I were able to search Trellech PRs I suspect they'd also include these fairly common names, so not sure how conclusive this is ??

Record_ID: 215524
Entry_Number:
Year: 1786
Month: Jun
Day: 11
Parents_Surname: WILLIAMS
Child_Forenames: Charles
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Frances
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Llandogo Monmouth
Soundex: W452

Record_ID: 215541
Entry_Number:
Year: 1787
Month: Oct
Day: 7
Parents_Surname: WILLIAMS
Child_Forenames: Elizabeth
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Llandogo Monmouth
Soundex: W452

However note there are other Elizabeths baptised at Llandogo within a few years of your suspected date, so ?. The Llandogo PRs don't include any likely Marriage between them.

Please confirm if these PRs are what you've already found, thanks.

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I can only search Censuses using the LDS site which gives individuals not households. Is this your Charles do you know, this one is born 1786/7 ?

"England and Wales Census, 1841"
Name: Charles Williams
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1841
Gender: Male
Age: 55
Birthplace: Monmouthshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Monmouth
Sub-District: Trelleck
Parish: Llandogo
County: Monmouthshire

"England and Wales Census, 1861"
Name: Charles Williams
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1861
Gender: Male
Age: 74
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birthplace: Monmouth Llandogo
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Monmouth
Sub-District: 4 Trelleck
Ecclesiastical Parish:
Parish: Llandogo
Residence County: Monmouthshire

Also from LDS there is this possible Trellech Baptism, I'm sure other forum users will have access to more ?

"England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"
Name: Charles Williams
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 27 Apr 1788
Christening Place: TRELECK,MONMOUTH,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Williams
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Ann
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02269-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 104918
Reference ID:

I cannot be certain but this may be Charles' wife Elizabeth in the 1861 Census, altho I suspect from your post you've already found them ?

"England and Wales Census, 1861"
Name: Elizabeth Williams
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1861
Gender: Female
Age: 74
Relationship to Head of Household: Wife
Birthplace: Monmouth Llandogo
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Monmouth
Sub-District: 4 Trelleck
Ecclesiastical Parish:
Parish: Llandogo
Residence County: Monmouthshire

https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Ach...

As expected the excellent Genuki site yields some interesting background and history for the very old Parishes of Trellech and nearby Llandogo which I knew very little about until today, thanks for helping enlighten me Kathryn.

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MON/Llandogo/
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MON/Trelleck/

Thanking you.
Kathryn Barnard.
k-barnard038 AT hotmail.com