Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Parish of The Lea

Parish of The Lea (reply)

fredb — Tue, 12 Oct 2010 12:48:18 +0000

(Not read all the replies) but when I was looking for Lea BMD's as my g-grandmother was born there, I'm sure I saw a parish map where the area around Lea Bailey (a strip of land along the Herefordshire border) was named Newland, there was at least one other area of the Forest, other than "Newland" named as Newland. If I remember rightly I was told these were areas that for some reason were taken under the wing of Newland parish
But baptisms etc happened in Lea (Bailey) it was a long haul to Newland just to wet a babies head.

Cornelius CADLE - Probate (reply)

m p griffiths — Sun, 10 Oct 2010 07:53:07 +0000

England & Wales, National probate Calendar

Cornelius CADLE - Probate Date 2 March 1878
Death: 23 December 1877, Hereford

Cornelius CADLE

20 May 1878

The Will of Cornelius CADLE formerly of 3 Clifton-place Newport in the County of Monmouth but late of 45 Oxford Street in the Parish of St John the Baptist in the City of Gloucester, Gentleman who died 4 March 1878 at 45 Oxford Street was proved at Gloucester by John CORNELIUS CADLE of Adsett House Westbury upon Severn in the County of Gloucester Farmer and William CADLE of Avon Villa Fillwood road Fishponds in the County of Gloucester Timber Merchant the Sons and Charles Hoskins Low of the City and County of Bristol Timber Merchant the Executors.

Personal Estate under £6,000 - Resworn June 1880 under £2,000

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and this is Cornelius CADLE from Lea Cottage

Cornelius CADLE

2 March 1878

The Will of Cornelius CADLE formerly of Kempley in the County of Gloucester, Farmer but late of the Lea Cottage in the Parish of Lea Hereford, Gentleman, who died 23 December 1877 at the Lea Cottage was proved at Hereford by Sarah CADLE of the Lea Cottage, Widow the Relict and Edmund William CADLE of Leamington - place Pittville Cheltenham in the County of Gloucester Mercantile Clerk the Son two of the Executors.

Personal Estate under £2,000 - Resworn March 1880 under £1,000

Connection here with Cheltenham

1871 Census, Kempley
Stone House

Cornelius CADLE - 61, Farmer of 244 acres - born Glos. Taynton
Sarah CADLE - 57 - Farmer's wife born Maisemore
Edmund CADLE - 26 - born Newent

CADLE and Lea Connection (Cornelius CADLE) (reply)

m p griffiths — Sun, 10 Oct 2010 07:21:15 +0000

Had a bit of a brain storm, before housework must be looked at....

Morris & Co Commercial Directory & Gazetter of Lea 1876

has under the Section, Clergy, Gentry & Private Residents

Mr Cornelius CADLE, Lea Cottage

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cbennett/lea1876.htm

Mary Ann CADLE 1857 (ish !) Leamington (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 10 Oct 2010 05:52:24 +0000

On freeBMD but not apparently on Ancestry's version ofteh "same" data - strange

Births Sep 1856 (>99%)
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Cadle Mary Ann Warwick 6d 403

Births Sep 1858 (>99%)
Cadle Charlotte Warwick 6d 425

I think that just about seals it ( I still have a niggling doubt - she may be a grand daughter ) - good call !

On the same index page - also missing from Ancestry's index i sHenry CADLE from Westbury on Severn

Year: 1856
Month: Sep
Day: 20
Parents_Surname: CADLE
Child_Forenames: Henry
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Mothers_Forenames: Isabella Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Westbury
Occupation: Farmer
Officiating_Minister: Tho[ma]s Hayley Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P354 IN 1/14
Page_Number: 189
Parish_Chapel: Westbury on Severn

Mary Ann CADEL (CADLE) (reply)

m p griffiths — Sat, 09 Oct 2010 21:09:45 +0000

Church of Latter Day Saints

Mary Ann CADEL - christened 21 August 1857, Saint Mary, Leamington Priors, parents Charles & Ann CADEL

1861 Census, Mary CADLE - born c1857, Leamington Priors (see previous message)

Only Joshua MATTHEWS marriage certificate/transcript to Mary Ann CADLE in 1874 will solve this; may be 'Kirksteel42' has this certificate as an actual date of 5 October 1874 and ages/residence were given in the original request.

Which takes us back to the original question

'Why not marry in Newland? Residence given for both is Hamlet of Newland'

If Harriett CADLE (Marriage J/F/M Qtr 1876 and Charlotte CADLE O/N/D 1876) married in the same Church/Parish of Lea - and are her sisters, this may solve the puzzle.

CADLE Marriages - Ross - Enoch MEEK + Oliver PRITCHARD (reply)

m p griffiths — Sat, 09 Oct 2010 18:10:24 +0000

Looking at the 1871 Census, Mary Ann CADLE is up in Liverpool, Lancashire, with her parents and family

(8 Public Members Trees, on Ancestry (5 of them Marrying Joshua MATTHEWS) - may be one of them has the marriage certificate to prove parentage - on Rootsweb Connect - Mary Ann CADLE christening is dated 21 August 1857, Leamington)

5 Hackthorpe Street

Charles CADLE - 49 (Dock Porter, born Gloucester)
Ann - 43 - all Gloucester
Frederick J - 21 - all children, born Leamington, Warwickshire
Charles W - 20
George N - 18
James J - 16

and these girls

Harriet - 14
Mary Ann - 13
Charlotte -11

If you look at FreeBDM - for CADLE marriages in ROSS

we have

Harriet CADLE - J/F/M Qtr 1876 (Oliver James PRITCHARD)
Mary Ann CADLE - O/N/D Qtr 1874 (Joshua MATTHEWS)
Charlotte CADLE - A/M/J Qtr 1876 (Married Enoch MEEK)

1881 Census, Ruardean (District 9, Page 13)

Enoch MEEK - 25
Charlot - 22 - born Leamington, Warwickshire
Simon Chas - 4
Enoch - 2
George - 1

1881 Census, Ruardean Hill - (District 9 - Page 13)

Oliver James PRITCHARD - 23 Coalminer, born East Dean
Harriett PRITCHARD - 23, born Warwickshire, Leamington
Eli Ellen PRITCHARD - 1, born Glos. East Dean

1881 Census, Cheltenham

1 Andover Cottages

Ann CADLE - Widow, age 61, Laundress, born Liverpool
Charles W CADLE - Son, age 29, Wood Carver, born Leamington

Charles CADLE - death O/N/D Qtr 1880 age 49, Cheltenham

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1861 Census, Warwick, Leamington

CADLE

Charles 46, Ann 38
Patience 19, Elizabeth 17, Frederick J 15, Charles W 13, George 11, James T 8, Harriet 6, Mary A 4, Charlotte 3, Henry 10 months

FreeBDM: Mary Ann CABLE birth J/A/S Qtr 1856, Warwick District

1851 Census, Warwickshire, Milverton
District 2b
11 Rugby Road

CADLE

Charles 35, Labourer, born Glos. Westbury on Trym
Ann - 30 - Laundress - born Lancs. Liverpool
Patience - 8, Gloucester, Blaisdon
Frederick - 10 - born Warwickshire, Leamington
Charles - 2 - born ditto
George - 1 - born Warwickshire, Milverton
Ann BRADSHAW - visitor, age 18 - housemaid out of place, born Walton
Elizabeth CADLE - age 6 , born Glos. Cheltenham

1841 Census, Glos. Blaisdon

Betty HALL - 75
Charles CADLE - 25
Ann CADLE - 20

FOD records, Patience CADLE, christened 5 December 1841, Charles (labourer) & Ann CADLE - address BLAYSDON - (Blaisdon)

? FreeBDM - Charles CADLE m Ann JONES ?- O/N/D QTR 1840 Gloucester District

? Charles CADLE, 30 November 1817, Westbury on Severn St Peter & Paul - parents William (occupation Farmer) & Mary

Parish of The Lea (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 09 Oct 2010 17:09:14 +0000

I think that Lea marriages upto 1837 have been transcribed - hence yours being "missing".

Sometimes Marriages take place in other parishes because the Vicar was more "liberal" / "tolerant"....Parental consent not forthcoming perhaps ?

Query Mary Ann's "real" age - was she 18 in 1874 ? i.e. born 1855/56
Neither am I convinced yet that she is a daughter of Charles and Ann

1901
Joshua Matthews abt 1856 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Abertillery, Monmouthshire
Mary E Matthews abt 1859 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Abertillery, Monmouthshire
Joseph Matthews abt 1883 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Abertillery, Monmouthshire
Emily Matthews abt 1886 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Abertillery, Monmouthshire
Minnie Matthews abt 1888 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Abertillery, Monmouthshire
Rhoda Matthews abt 1893 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Abertillery, Monmouthshire
Frank Matthews abt 1897 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Abertillery, Monmouthshire
John Carpenter abt 1882 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Lodger Abertillery, Monmouthshire

1891
Joshua Matthews abt 1856 Nailbridge, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Matthews abt 1858 Nailbridge, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
John A Matthews abt 1878 Nailbridge, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Matthews abt 1880 Nailbridge, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Joseph Matthews abt 1884 Nailbridge, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emily Matthews abt 1886 Nailbridge, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Minnie Matthews abt 1888 Nailbridge, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

1881
Joshua Matthews abt 1856 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Matthews abt 1859 Leamington, Warwickshire, England Wife Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Jane Ann Matthews abt 1876 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Joshua Matthews abt 1878 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Matthews abt 1880 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire

1871 Everton, Liverpool
Charles Cadle 49
Ann Cadle 43
Frederick J Cadle 21
Charles W Cadle 20
George N Cadle 18
James J Cadle 16
Harriet Cadle 14
Mary Ann Cadle 13
Charlotte Cadle 11

1861
Charles Cadle abt 1815 Westbury, Gloucestershire, England Head Leamington Priors, Warwickshire
Ann Cadle abt 1823 Livpl, Lancashire, England Wife Leamington Priors, Warwickshire
Patience Deeney abt 1842 Blasdon, Gloucestershire, England Visitor Leamington Priors, Warwickshire
Elizabeth Cadle abt 1844 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Leamington Priors, Warwickshire
Fredrick J Cadle abt 1846 Leamgton, Warwickshire, England Son Leamington Priors, Warwickshire
Charles W Cadle abt 1848 Leamgton, Warwickshire, England Son Leamington Priors, Warwickshire
George N Cadle abt 1850 Leamgton, Warwickshire, England Son Leamington Priors, Warwickshire
James J Cadle abt 1853 Leamgton, Warwickshire, England Son Leamington Priors, Warwickshire
Harriet Cadle abt 1855 Leamgton, Warwickshire, England Daughter Leamington Priors, Warwickshire
Mary A Cadle abt 1857 Leamgton, Warwickshire, England Daughter Leamington Priors, Warwickshire
Charlotte Cadle abt 1858 Leamgton, Warwickshire, England Daughter Leamington Priors, Warwickshire
Henry Cadle abt 1860 Leamgton, Warwickshire, England Daughter Leamington Priors, Warwickshire

Parish of The Lea

kirksteel42 — Sat, 09 Oct 2010 16:44:18 +0000

Joshua Matthews age 19 married Mary Ann Cadle age 18 Oct 5th 1874
Marriage soleminized by Banns in the Parish of The Lea in the County of Hereford and Gloucester
Residence given for both is Hamlet of Newland

Why not marry in Newland? It is quite a distance between the two villiages

Would the church be St John the Baptist in Lea?

No record of the marriage in the Parish Records ?

kirksteel