Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Emma M CARPENTER 1852-1949 Shepton Mallet SOM

Emma M CARPENTER 1852-1949 Shepton Mallet SOM (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 12 Oct 2011 08:29:01 +0000

William LEWIS is lodging in Atherton 1881 at Emma's home - she is from Somerset, and married in Pontypridd - a coincidence or is she family too ?

Emma Melita Carpenter
Birth: 27 May 1852 - Shepton Mallet, Somerset, England
Death: 1949 - Scranton, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania, USA

1920
Fredrick Beecham Scranton Ward 22, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania abt 1851 England White Self (Head)
Emma M Beecham Scranton Ward 22, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania abt 1852 England White Wife
Celia Beecham Scranton Ward 22, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania abt 1887 England White Daughter
Oscar Beecham Scranton Ward 22, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania abt 1898 Pennsylvania White Son

Mar 6 th 1911 Ellis Island Emma BEECHAM
US Citizen Leigh Lancashire age 59
on the Baltic from Liverpool
Husband Frederick BEECHAM - 1303 Watson Ave, Scranton PA

1910
Frederick Beacham name city, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania 1850 location relation
Emma M Beacham name city, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania 1853 location
+others

1900
Frederick Beacham city, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania date location White relation
Emma Beacham city, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania date location White relation
+ others
Charles Beechamn city, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania date location White relation

1890/1 probably in the States

1881 Atherton,
Emma M. Beecham abt 1853 Shipton Mallet, Somerset, England Head Atherton, Lancashire
Charles F. Beecham abt 1880 Atherton, Lancashire, England Son Atherton, Lancashire

next door
1881
William Carpenter abt 1821 Shipton Mallet, Somerset, England Head Atherton, Lancashire
Mary Carpenter abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Wife Atherton, Lancashire

Name: Charles Frederick Beecham
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1880
Registration district: Leigh
Inferred County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 291

Name: Emma Meleita Carpenter
name: Frederick Beecham
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1874
Registration district: Pontypridd
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 557

1871 Shepton Mallet, Somerset
William Carpenter 63
Mary Carpenter 55
Emma Carpenter 19
Ellen Carpenter 17
Frank Carpenter 15
Herbert Carpenter 9

1861
William Carpenter abt 1811 Shepton Mallet, Somerset, England Head Shepton Mallet, Somerset
Mary Carpenter abt 1815 Wincanton, Somerset, England Wife Shepton Mallet, Somerset
Robert Carpenter abt 1851 Shepton Mallet, Somerset, England Son Shepton Mallet, Somerset
Emma M Carpenter abt 1853 Shepton Mallet, Somerset, England Daughter Shepton Mallet, Somerset
Ellen Carpenter abt 1854 Shepton Mallet, Somerset, England Daughter Shepton Mallet, Somerset
Frank Carpenter abt 1856 Shepton Mallet, Somerset, England Son Shepton Mallet, Somerset

WILLIAM CARPENTER
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Event(s):
Birth: 29 SEP 1810 Wincanton, Somerset, England
Christening:
Death: 02 OCT 1882

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Marriages:
Spouse: MARY SWETMAN
Marriage: JAN 1834

William LEWIS 1850 Trelleck / Viney Hill (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 12 Oct 2011 07:54:14 +0000

A new lead / contender has surfaced for William

1881
Sarah Ann Clarke abt 1833 Somerset, England Head Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary A. Lewis abt 1852 Abertillery, Monmouth, Wales Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire Married
William R. Lewis abt 1874 Garndiffilch, Monmouth, Wales Grandson Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas J. Lewis abt 1876 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Grandson Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth A. Lewis abt 1879 Atherton, Lancashire, England Granddaughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire

1881 Atherton,
Emma M. Beecham abt 1853 Shipton Mallet, Somerset, England Head Atherton, Lancashire
Charles F. Beecham abt 1880 Atherton, Lancashire, England Son Atherton, Lancashire
William Lewis abt 1851 Fretlick,[TRELLECK] Monmouth, Wales Lodger Atherton, Lancashire married Coal Miner
Herbert Carpenter abt 1862 Shipton Mallet, Somerset, England Lodger Atherton, Lancashire {Emma's brother}
Hugh Annis abt 1860 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Lodger Atherton, Lancashire

Year: 1872
Month: Dec
Day: 25

Grooms_Surname: LEWIS
Grooms_Forenames: William
Grooms_Age: 22
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Aberdare Glamorganshire I think this points to a "wandering" worker rather than his place of birth
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: LEWIS
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier

Brides_Surname: CLARKE
Brides_Forenames: Mary Ann
Brides_Age: 20
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Furnace Bottom
Brides_Fathers_Surname: CLARKE
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Rich[ard]
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier

Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: The mark of John Davis
Witness_2: Catherine Elizabeth [illegible] James
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Sam Edwards
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P348 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 23
Parish_Chapel: Viney Hill

1871 Cinderford
Elizabeth Beaven 50
Endell Davis 24
Matilda Davis 26
Thomas Davis 3 Months
Henry Haubert 24
William Lewis 19 Monmouthshire Lodger Labourer ?

1861 ?

1851
William Lewis abt 1821 Trelleck Grange, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Trelleck Grange, Monmouthshire
Mary Lewis abt 1815 Trelleck Grange, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Trelleck Grange, Monmouthshire
Jane Lewis abt 1846 Aberyschan, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Trelleck Grange, Monmouthshire
James Lewis abt 1848 Trelleck Grange, Monmouthshire, Wales Officer Trelleck Grange, Monmouthshire
William Lewis abt 1850 Trelleck Grange, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Trelleck Grange, Monmouthshire

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1861 the family seems to have "missed" the Census, but they do move between Trevethin and Trelleck.

1871 Trevethin
William Lewis 56 Trelleck grange
Mary Lewis 54 Trelleck grange
John Lewis 15 Trevethin
James Lewis 14 Trelleck
William Lewis 12 Trelleck
George Lewis 10 Trevethin
Sarah Lewis 8 Trevethin
William Marris 6 nephew Trelleck

1881
William Lewis abt 1823 Trelleck, Monmouth, Wales Head Trevethin, Monmouthshire
Mary Lewis abt 1817 Trelleck, Monmouth, Wales Wife Trevethin, Monmouthshire
Sarah Lewis abt 1857 Trevethin, Monmouth, Wales Daughter Trevethin, Monmouthshire
John Lewis abt 1857 Trevethin, Monmouth, Wales Son in Law Trevethin, Monmouthshire
Sarah A. Lewis abt 1879 Trevethin, Monmouth, Wales Granddaughter Trevethin, Monmouthshire
William H. Lewis Trevethin, Monmouth, Wales Grandson Trevethin, Monmouthshire

St. Louis MO (reply)

mrsbruso — Fri, 13 May 2011 15:27:26 +0000

Excellent. An expert in Workman family history.

My grandfather (Charles George Lewis) had two cousins, both of whom became medical doctors, who emigrated to the area around St. Louis MNO. I never thought to ask my Aunt Floss from which family (Workman, Virgo, Lewis, Clarke or Davies( they came from. Does that ring any bells on the Workman side?

Post Script:
As it turns out, they were Vinings, from Somerset by way of Garndiffaith.

Jesse WORKMAN 1776 Coaley / Dursley - children?? (reply)

Andy Basic — Fri, 13 May 2011 12:38:58 +0000

Thanks for the information from the Gloucestershire Burial Index on Eleanor and Jesse Workman's burials.

I am interested in the children you mention. According to my information Jesse and Eleanor had a daughter Eliza Ann or Elizabeth christened at Cam either 6 Feb 1799 (parish register) or 9 Feb 1799 (IGI). I also have another 5 christened up to 1812. Your two were new to me - as you can see from my reference to IGI, my data was copied a long time ago so I can't remember when and how I got it (my own research or information sent by other researchers). I assume that their first daughter must have died if they were christening another daughter with the same name in 1817. I'm puzzled as to how we could have missed these extra 2 children.

For more information on the family you can see my web site at -
https://sites.google.com/site/workmanfamilygloucestershire/

(I see the page including Jesse and Elanor's family is missing so I'll have to put that back)

Andy

Jesse WORKMAN 1776 Coaley / Dursley (reply)

m p griffiths — Wed, 05 Jan 2011 08:55:53 +0000

Gloucestershire Burial Index

CAM St George

Eleanor WORKMAN - age 53 - 28 April 1830

Jesse WORKMAN - age 64 - 16 January 1840

two baptisms of their children after 1813

Charles Whittard WORKMAN - 29 May 1815 - Jesse (occ.Weaver) and Eleanor WORKMAN - address CAM
Elizabeth Ann WORKMAN - 22 May 1817 -ditto

Jesse WORKMAN 1776 Coaley / Dursley (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 05 Jan 2011 08:27:14 +0000

Interesting to see "Jesse" surface several generations later in Somerset (Samuel 1873 son)

Name: Cyril Jesse Workman
Year of Registration: 1904
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Clutton
County: Somerset
Volume: 5c
Page: 435

<><><> workman FAMILY History
http://sites.google.com/site/workmanfamilygloucestershire/family-history

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GEORGE WORKMAN
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Marriages:
Spouse: ELIZ. GABB
Marriage: 22 APR 1771 Coaley, Gloucester, England

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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M027551 1701 - 1812 0425379 Film 6911664 Film
Sheet: 00

JESSE WORKMAN ????
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 02 AUG 1776 Coaley, Gloucester, England
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Parents:
Father: GEORGE WORKMAN

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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C027551 1701 - 1812 0425379 Film 6911663 Film
Sheet: 00

JESSE WORKMAN
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Marriages:
Spouse: ELEANOR CORDY
Marriage: 10 MAR 1798 Saint Nicholas, Gloucester, Gloucester, England
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M036111 1755 - 1809 0855636 Film 6911871 Film
M036111 1810 -1849 0855637 Film NONE
M036111 1849 - 1882 0855638 Film NONE
Sheet: 00

ELLIS WORKMAN
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 18 OCT 1803 Cam, Gloucester, England
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Parents:
Father: JESSE WORKMAN
Mother: ELEANOR
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C026131 1599 - 1812 0417132 Film 6911626 Film
Sheet: 00

William LEWIS death abt 1881 to 1884 (reply)

mrsbruso — Tue, 23 Nov 2010 19:34:47 +0000

After searching for 27 years to find my unaccounted for great grandfather, William Lewis, Slowhands found a very promising lead. Family lore holds that William, a 31 year old native of Hirwaun, died when my grandfather, Charles George LEWIS was an infant or toddler. Supposedly, William died of caisson's disease during the construction of the Severn Tunnel. His wife, Mary Ann LEWIS nee CLARKE was living at herf parents' home, Box Tree Cottage, then New Road, Blakeney at the time. In the 1881 census she and the children are in Blakeney and William is with his parents in Hirwaun.

I finally received the death certificate for the William Lewis whose death Slowhands found~nd whose info seemed promising. Alas, this William was a seaman whose death was registered at his home but who died of asthma in the US. The name and age matched but I can't see family history as being that inaccurate. Past details (marriage at Viney Hill, census, etc) list him as a collier or coal rider.

Anyone have any suggestions of what I should do next? I have reviewed all the probate register indices for everything from 1880 (the year before his youngest son's birth) to 1891 when his widow remarried.

Ruth LEWIS (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 29 Oct 2010 16:21:25 +0000

on this silly little phone
A bigger screen or a few .more minutes review

Understood, :-)

Ruth LEWIS (reply)

mrsbruso — Fri, 29 Oct 2010 16:19:23 +0000

Sorry about that. Again, during the day I am trying to read all of this on this silly little phone . . . I saw the list of names for Edward's family and even though I know she was with them thought, "nope, those aren't the right names. A bigger screen or a f

ew .more minutes review would have made all the difference.

Stephen Gladstone WORKMAN 1887 -1965 Dursley (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 29 Oct 2010 15:34:50 +0000

1841 (next door to Malpass family)
Ellis Workman abt 1806 Gloucestershire, England Cam, Gloucestershire
Esther Workman abt 1806 Gloucestershire, England Cam, Gloucestershire
Mary Workman abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Cam, Gloucestershire
Ezra Workman abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Cam, Gloucestershire
Martha Workman abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Cam, Gloucestershire
Samuel Workman abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Cam, Gloucestershire
Thos Workman abt 1837 Gloucestershire, England Cam, Gloucestershire

1851
Ellis Workman abt 1804 Cambridgeshire, Gloucestershire, England Head Cam, Gloucestershire
Esther Workman abt 1806 Cambridgeshire, Gloucestershire, England Wife Cam, Gloucestershire
Ezra Workman abt 1828 Cambridgeshire, Gloucestershire, England Son Cam, Gloucestershire
Samuel Workman abt 1836 Cambridgeshire, Gloucestershire, England Son Cam, Gloucestershire
Thomas Workman abt 1843 Cambridgeshire, Gloucestershire, England Son Cam, Gloucestershire
James Workman abt 1847 Cambridgeshire, Gloucestershire, England Son Cam, Gloucestershire

Name: Mary Ann Cox
Name: Samuel Workman
Year of Registration: 1859
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Dursley
County: Gloucestershire, Wiltshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 377

1861
Samuel Workman abt 1836 Cambridgeshire, Gloucestershire, England Head Cam, Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Workman l abt 1839 Cambridgeshire, Gloucestershire, England Wife Cam, Gloucestershire
George Workman abt 1860 Cambridgeshire, Gloucestershire, England Son Cam, Gloucestershire

death ??
Name: Mary Ann Workman
Year of Registration: 1863
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Dursley
County: Gloucestershire, Wiltshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 166

Name: Augusta Malpass
Name: Samuel Workman
Year of Registration: 1864
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Dursley
County: Gloucestershire, Wiltshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 322

1871
Samuel Workman 35
Augustin Workman 44
George Workman 11
John Workman 6
Emma Malpass 16

1871 nr Blakeney Hill
Richard Clark 49 Head East Dean Coal Miner
Sarah Ann Clark 40 Wife Shepton Mallett Somerset
Hannah Maria Clark 10 Daughter Pontypool
Frederick Clark 11 Boarder West Dean

1881
Samuel Workman abt 1836 Cam, Gloucestershire, England Head Cam, Gloucestershire
Augusta Workman abt 1829 Cam, Gloucestershire, England Wife Cam, Gloucestershire
George Workman abt 1860 Cam, Gloucestershire, England Son Cam, Gloucestershire
John Workman abt 1865 Cam, Gloucestershire, England Son Cam, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Ettle abt 1866 Cam, Gloucestershire, England Niece Cam, Gloucestershire

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
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Marriages Dec 1883 (>99%)
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CLARKE Annie Maria Dursley 6a 451
WORKMAN George Dursley 6a 451

Name: Stephen Gladstone Workman
Year of Registration: 1887
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Dursley
County: Gloucestershire, Wiltshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 222

Name: Emma Augusta S Workman
Year of Registration: 1889
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Dursley
County: Gloucestershire, Wiltshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 235

1891
John Hunt abt 1845 Nurlsworth, Glostershire Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Eliza June Hunt abt 1857 Garndfaith, Monmouth Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah Ann Clark abt 1831 Westfermard, Lommerset Mother-in-Law East Dean, Gloucestershire
Stephen Workman abt 1888 Carmn, Duroley Nephew East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Workman abt 1890 Carmn, Duroley Niece East Dean, Gloucestershire

1891
George Workman abt 1860 Cambridgeshire, Gloucestershire, England Head Cam, Gloucestershire
Leonel F Workman abt 1886 Cambridgeshire, Gloucestershire, England Son Cam, Gloucestershire
Lydia D Workman abt 1891 Cambridgeshire, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Cam, Gloucestershire

1901
George Workman abt 1860 The Quarry Cam, Gloucestershire, England Head Kingswood, Gloucestershire
Annie Maria Workman abt 1861 Gamdifith Abycham, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Kingswood, Gloucestershire
George Hadrdell Saul Workman abt 1885 Cambridgeshire, Gloucestershire, England Son Kingswood, Gloucestershire
Lionel Frank Workman abt 1886 Cambridgeshire, Gloucestershire, England Son Kingswood, Gloucestershire
Stephen Gladstone Workman abt 1888 Cambridgeshire, Gloucestershire, England Son Kingswood, Gloucestershire
Lydia A T D Workman abt 1891 Cambridgeshire, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Kingswood, Gloucestershire
Gertrude M Workman abt 1893 Cambridgeshire, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Kingswood, Gloucestershire

1911
WORKMAN GEORGE M 1860 51 Dursley Gloucestershire
WORKMAN ANNIE MARIA F 1861 50 Dursley Gloucestershire
WORKMAN JANE ALICE FANNY F 1895 16 Dursley Gloucestershire
WORKMAN JOHN EDWARD M 1898 13 Dursley Gloucestershire
WORKMAN LIONEL FRANK M 1886 25 Dursley Gloucestershire
WORKMAN LYDIA ANNIE TEYPHENA DAISY F 1891 20 Dursley Gloucestershire
WORKMAN STEPHEN GLADSTONE M 1888 23 Dursley Gloucestershire
WORKMAN GERTRUDE MARY F 1894 17 Dursley Gloucestershire

Name: Stephen G Workman
Spouse's Annie E James
Year of Registration: 1913
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Dursley
County: Gloucestershire, Wiltshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 548

Name: Reginald S Workman
Mother's Maiden Surname: James
Date of Registration: Oct Nov Dec 1925
Registration district: Dursley
Registration county: Gloucestershire, Shropshire, Herefordshire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 393

Name: Stephen G Workman
Death Registration Month/Year: 1965
Age at death (estimated): 77
Registration district: Stroud
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 7b
Page: 501

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Name: Emma A S Workman
Spouse : Stanley V Rose
Year of Registration: 1914
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Dursley
County: Gloucestershire, Wiltshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 615

Ruth LEWIS (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 29 Oct 2010 15:31:47 +0000

The record is for (a) Ruth's death in 1903 not her birth :-)

I suspect its was the area of Abersychan and Garndiffaith, near Pontypool

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garndiffaith

William LEWIS 1850 Aberdare (reply)

mrsbruso — Fri, 29 Oct 2010 15:15:07 +0000

This is truly amazing. You've made more progress in two days 5than I had made in literally decades.

The first census record for Ruth is a red herring. Her birth name is Davies and she was born at Llanfrynach.

You've solved a lesser mystery for me in that I never knew how the Workman's were related other than that they were cousins . . . My mother remembered posting packages "home" to them but only remembered the address as something something something (she remembered the cadence but not the actual placenames) near Pontypool.

Thanks again (although the word seems inadequate to express my gratitude for your kind help.

Sarah A CLARKE nee VINING 1833 - 1913 Chewton Mendip SOM (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:12:16 +0000

Name: Sarah A Clarke
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Year of Registration: 1913
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 80
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 368

1911
CLARKE SARAH ANN F 1833 78 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire born Wraxall
CADOGAN KATHEEN F 1908 3 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire ?
HUNT ELIZA JANE F 1857 54 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire ?
HUNT JOHN EDWARD M 1845 66 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire ?

1901
John Hunt abt 1845 Nailsworth, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Eliza Hunt abt 1856 Monmouthshire, Wales Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah A Clarke abt 1832 Taunton, Somerset, England Mother-in-Law East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Workman abt 1890 Cambridgeshire, Gloucestershire, England Niece East Dean, Gloucestershire

1891 Blakeney New Road
John Hunt abt 1845 Nurlsworth, Glostershire Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Eliza June Hunt abt 1857 Garndfaith, Monmouth Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah Ann Clark abt 1831 Westfermard,{WEST PENNARD?} Lommerset Mother-in-Law East Dean, Gloucestershire
Stephen Workman abt 1888 Carmn, Duroley Nephew East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Workman abt 1890 Carmn, Duroley Niece East Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1882
Month: Jun
Day: 10
Surname: CLARK
Forenames: Richard
Residence: Gloucester
Age_at_death: 60 years
Officiating_Minister: E. S. Smith
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: 21
Notes:
Register_Reference: P348 IN 1/5
Page_No: 59
Parish_Chapel: Viney Hill

1871 nr Blakeney Hill
Richard Clark 49 Head East Dean Coal Miner
Sarah Ann Clark 40 Wife Shepton Mallett Somerset
Hannah Maria Clark 10 Daughter Pontypool
Frederick Clark 11 Boarder West Dean

Name: Samuel Vining
Year of Registration: 1859
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Pontypool
County: Gwent, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 90

1851 Pontypool / Garndifath
Samuel Vining 57 Shoemaker Evercreech Somerset
Elizabeth Vining 47 Batcombe Somerset
Sarah Ann Clark 19 Chewton Mendip Somerset
Richard Clark 28 Blakeney Hill Glos

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
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Marriages Dec 1849 (>99%)
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Clark Richard Pontypool 26 203
Vining Sarah Pontypool 26 203

1841
Samuel Vining abt 1801 Trevethan, Monmouthshire Shoe M
Elizabeth Vining abt 1806 Trevethan, Monmouthshire
Thomas Vining abt 1829 Trevethan, Monmouthshire
Sarah Vining abt 1832 Trevethan, Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Vining abt 1836 Monmouthshire, Wales Trevethan, Monmouthshire

Thomas Vining baptised West Pennard, St. Nicholas, 15 July 1827, parents Samuel Vining and Elizabeth Bush Vining.

There is a Wraxall near Evercreech on the old Fosse Way ( A37) ties in with West Pennard /Batcombe / Shepton Mallett area.

Chewton Mendip 7 miles from Shepton
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SOM/ChewtonMendip/index.html
and also West Pennard 6 miles from Shepton
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SOM/WestPennard/index.html
and not so far to Batcombe nr Bruton
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SOM/Batcombe/index.html
or should that be Butcombe ? on the Mendips
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SOM/Butcombe/index.html

SAMUEL VINING
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 30 NOV 1793 Evercreech, Somerset, England

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Parents:
Father: THOMAS VINING
Mother: JUDITH (HODGES}
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C141272 1540 NONE Book NONE
Sheet:

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THOMAS VINING
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Marriages:
Spouse: JUDITH HODGES
Marriage: 02 AUG 1792 Evercreech, Somerset, England
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M141272 1540 NONE Book NONE
Sheet: 00

William LEWIS 1850 Aberdare (reply)

mrsbruso — Fri, 29 Oct 2010 00:47:52 +0000

Thank you again for the additional info. I had found that same census info, and I am assuming it is the correct family, based on the fact that it matches William's birth certificate. I think the best way for me to confirm it is probably to order a copy of Lewis Lewis' birth certificate, and if the info there matches William's I'll know for certain that this is my family.

Through probate sources, etc. I discovered the elder William's death information, and Ruth's, who was living with Edward in her later, widowed years.

I hadn't thought of the Newport death, Newport meaning nothing to me in relation to family place names (Trevethin, Hirwaun, Blakeney, Cardiff, etc). There's a William listed in the probate records, he's listed as a gentleman and left a sizable estate so I thought that excluded the Newport William. A bit of research tonight revealed that a William died in Newport at age 78 in the previous quarter, so you have given me an exciting lead. I shall order the certificate and hope for the best.

I will be happy when William is no longer "lost". Obviously, since I began this search at 16 it's always been a compelling mystery for me, but since being widowed myself it seems that much more important. I would like to think that my children will know something more of their Dada and won't ever need to search to discover who he was or where he was laid to rest.

I really cannot convey how thankful I am to you for finding this info. In '83 I found all the Cadogan family history really easily in the Glos registry office, since the name isn't quite as ubiquitous . . .

Thanks.

Sandra

William William LEWIS 1850 Aberdare (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 28 Oct 2010 16:52:43 +0000

Name: Ruth Lewis
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Year of Registration: 1903
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 82
District: Merthyr Tydfil
County: Breconshire, Glamorgan, Mid Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 356

1901 84 High St Hirwaun
Edward Lewis abt 1862 Glam, Aberdare Head Aberdare, Glamorgan
Jennett Lewis abt 1868 Glam, Aberdare Wife Aberdare, Glamorgan
Willie Lewis abt 1891 Glam, Aberdare Son Aberdare, Glamorgan
Mary Lewis abt 1893 Glam, Aberdare Daughter Aberdare, Glamorgan
Ruth Lewis abt 1821 Llanfyrnach, Carmarthenshire, Wales Mother Aberdare, Glamorgan

Name: William Lewis Lewis
Estimated birth year: abt 1824
Year of Registration: 1895
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 71
District: Merthyr Tydfil
County: Breconshire, Glamorgan, Mid Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 527

1891 60 Brecon rd Hirwaun
William L Lewis abt 1824 Penderyn, Breconshire, Wales Head Aberdare, Glamorgan
Ruth Lewis abt 1821 Llanfyenach, Carmarthenshire, Wales Wife Aberdare, Glamorgan
Wm J Thomas abt 1875 Hirwain, Glamorgan, Wales Grandson Aberdare, Glamorgan

1881 Hirwaun / Aberdare
William Lewis Lewis abt 1824 Breconshire, Wales Head Aberdare, Glamorgan
Ruth Lewis abt 1823 Llanfrynach, Carmarthenshire, Wales Wife Aberdare, Glamorgan
William Wm. Lewis abt 1850 Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales Son Aberdare, Glamorgan Coal Rider UNMARR ?
Edward Lewis abt 1861 Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales Son Aberdare, Glamorgan
William Isaac Thomas abt 1876 Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales Grandson Aberdare, Glamorgan

1871
William L Lewis 46
Ruth Lewis 48
William D Lewis 21
Mary Lewis 15
Edward Lewis 10

1861
William Lewis abt 1825 Penderyn, Breconshire, Wales Head Aberdare, Glamorgan
Ruth Lewis abt 1823 Llanfrynach, Pembrokeshire, Wales Wife Aberdare, Glamorgan
Lewis Lewis abt 1848 Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales Son Aberdare, Glamorgan
William Lewis abt 1850 Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales Son Aberdare, Glamorgan
Mary Lewis abt 1856 Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Aberdare, Glamorgan
Edward Lewis abt 1860 Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales Son Aberdare, Glamorgan

1851 Big Row Hirwuan
William Lewis 27
Ruth Lewis 28
Lewis Lewis 4
William Lewis 1

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Marriages Mar 1847 (>99%)
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DAVIS Ruth Merthyr Tydfil 26 485
LEWIS William Merthyr Tydfil 26 485

Decompression illness (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 28 Oct 2010 16:30:45 +0000

If family history is accurate he didn't die in the tunnel itself since the bends doesn't present until after the atmospheric pressure has changed. I didn't know where he might have gone before symptoms presented, but did hear that he was in agony wh3en he went and that it was a blessing that his suffering ended.

Well the Severn Tunnel flooded several times during its construction and divers were used to assess / start the repairs - so its possible that a number of decompression sickness / illnesses may have presented in the construction teams.

Charles LEWIS 1881 Blakeney / Viney Hill (reply)

mrsbruso — Thu, 28 Oct 2010 15:49:27 +0000

I can't thank you enough for4 all the information. I had a great deal of it but I didn't know when Mary Ann and John were married. "George" in the census is indeed my grandfather but I hadn't heard that anyone ever called him by his middle name. A surprise in 1983 was that Uncle Jim's name was really Thomas . .

I never thought to look in Newport . . .the family moved a good bit, in the area of Pontypool, in Cardiff, and always retuning to Box Tree Cottage and the Forest. During the 1881 census I believe William was in Hirwaun with his parents, working with his father in a pit there as a coal rider.

My brother didn't remember much of the story other than William was 32 when he died. I don't think I had heard that until last week, but it fits with Charlie being a babt if the William who died in Newport was the correct William.I

I put his death between 1881 and 1884 so the death in Newport certainly fits. I'll send for the record and hope that solves the mystery! (Please excuse the typing ~~ I'm using my phone with its impossibly small keyboard to send this.

Thanks again.

Charles LEWIS 1881 Blakeney / Viney Hill (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 28 Oct 2010 06:25:10 +0000

Trying to narrow events down using Census info :-

Who is George Lewis born 1883 ? - is George Charles' middle name ? is he William's son ?

The Tunnel was built between 1873 and 1886

Could this narrow Williams death down to 1882 - 1886 timeframe ?

You might reasonably expect him to be living in the Sudbrook , Monmouthshire area if he was involved in construction of the Severn Tunnel.

Again if he died in its construction he may have been "registered" in Newport - the Newport Infirmary ?

a possible :-
Name: William Lewis
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Year of Registration: 1882
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 31
District: Newport M
County: Glamorgan, Gwent, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 102

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1871 nr Blakeney Hill
Richard Clark 49 Head East Dean Coal Miner
Sarah Ann Clark 40 Wife Shepton Mallett Somerset
Hannah Maria Clark 10 Daughter Pontypool
Frederick Clark 11 Boarder West Dean

Year: 1872
Month: Dec
Day: 25
Grooms_Surname: LEWIS
Grooms_Forenames: William
Grooms_Age: 22
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Aberdare Glamorganshire
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: LEWIS
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: CLARKE
Brides_Forenames: Mary Ann
Brides_Age: 20
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Furnace Bottom
Brides_Fathers_Surname: CLARKE
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Rich[ard]
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: The mark of John Davis
Witness_2: Catherine Elizabeth [illegible] James
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Sam Edwards
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P348 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 23
Parish_Chapel: Viney Hill

Name: Charles George Lewis ??
Year of Registration: 1881
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 246

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
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Marriages Mar 1891 (>99%)
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James John Cardiff 11a 417
Lewis Mary Ann Cardiff 11a 417

1891
John James abt 1837 Aberthaw, Glamorgan, Wales Head St John, Glamorgan
Mary A James abt 1852 Abertillery, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife St John, Glamorgan
James Lewis abt 1876 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Stepson St John, Glamorgan
Elizabeth A Lewis abt 1879 Atherton, Lancashire, England Stepdaughter St John, Glamorgan
George Lewis abt 1883 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Stepson St John, Glamorgan

1901
John James abt 1834 Aberthaw, Glamorgan, Wales Head St John The Baptist, Glamorgan Ships Rigger
Mary A James abt 1853 Abertillery, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife St John The Baptist, Glamorgan
Bessie Lewis abt 1879 Atherton, Lancashire, England Stepdaughter St John The Baptist, Glamorgan
Charlie Lewis abt 1881 Blakeney, Gloucestershire, England Stepson St John The Baptist, Glamorgan

1911
JAMES JOHN M 1836 75 Cardiff Glamorganshire born Aberthaw

William LEWIS Viney Hill

mrsbruso — Thu, 28 Oct 2010 02:48:21 +0000

My great grandfather, William Lewis, was born in Hirwaun (Aberdare) in 1850. He married my great-grandmother, Mary Ann Clarke of Box Tree Cottage, the New Road, near Blakeney on December 25, 1872 at All Saints Church, Viney Hill. My grandfather, Charles, was born at Box Tree Cottage in 1881.

Family history suggests William died of Caisson's Disease during the construction of the Severn Tunnel (when my grandfather was an infant or toddler), but I have been unable to find any supporting documentation for this, or his burial site.

Mary Ann, her second husband, John James, and her mother, Sarah Ann (nee Vining) are all buried at All Saints, Viney Hill, but I have not been able to find William.

I began my search for him 27 years ago, taking buses and riding my bike from registration district to registration district. The vicar was kind enough to allow me to look through the register at All Saints, so I have seen William's signature on his wedding certificate, and I have his birth certificate, as well as my grandfather's.

At 21 I returned, hoping to put flowers on the graves of the ancestors left behind when my mother's generation settled firmly in Canada and the States. My grandmother had recently passed away and was feeling guilty about not having agreed to return home with my grandfather when he wanted to do so, and I promised her I would find a way to honor them.

I searched through as many cemetaries in Hirwaun and Aberdare as I could, and I have checked the death indices and burial records, but have met with scant success. It's as if he vanished into thin air. . . It's now all these years later, my children are small, my husband deceased and I doubt I will be able to find the time to visit the area to continue my search any time in the near future.

If anyone can offer me any advice on where else I could search for any information on William's death or burial, I would be most grateful for the help.

This whole effort would probably be more simple if my ancestors weren't all named Lewis, Clarke, and Davies . . .