Forest of Dean FHT Forum - James JONES (mother Elizabeth)/Sarah JAMES???

James JONES (mother Elizabeth)/Sarah JAMES??? (reply)

m p griffiths — Mon, 24 Jun 2013 19:32:03 +0000

re: ages on 1841 census

Looking back at the 1841 census for

Thomas JONES age 60 (c1781) (Carpenter) @ Northwood Grange - Westbury on Severn

Thomas JONES (Carpenter & Wheelwright)- Northwood, Westbury on Severn, copy Will is at the Gloucestershire Records Office

Dec 2 1843, Thomas JONES (Carpenter & Wheelwright)

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FoD records - Burial at Westbury on Severn : 15 July 1843

Thomas JONES - age 68 (c1775)

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1841 Census, Newent, Hooks Lane

Thomas JONES - 65 (c1776) - Wheelwright
Sarah JONES - 70
Thomas JONES - 30

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Fod records

Burial at Newent - 9 July 1843

Thomas JONES age 71 (c1772)

Copy Will also at Gloucetershire Records Office

16 December 1843, Thomas JONES (Wheelwright) Newent

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Back to the 1841 Census, Newland,

Glen

Thomas JONES - 65 - Carpenter (c1776) - buries at Newland - 3 July 1850 age 76 (c1775) can't see a Will
Margaret JONES - 28
James JONES - 13 * and did he marry a Sarah JAMES ???

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Fod records

Baptism at Newland - 27 January 1828 - James JONES, father's forename: not stated, mother: Elizabeth - address The Glynn Single Woman (so this might be another daughter of Thomas JAMES the Carpenter)

? again address given as Glidden (alias Glynn)

Baptism at Newland - 3 June 1827

Harriett JONES - mother: Ann (single woman)

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Marriage at Newland - 15 November 1851

James JONES - full age, bachelor, father's name and occupation left blank

married

Sarah JAMES - - full age, spinster, father's name and occupation left blank

witnesses: mark of George (illegible) and Hannah JAMES

later census says he was born in Newland

1861 Census, Newland

James JONES - 32 - Ag. Lab. born Newland
Sarah - 30, born English Bicknor
Sarah Ann 9 - all born Newland
Elizabeth - 7
William Henry - 4
Ellen - 2

Sarah JONES (Father: Thomas, Carpenter) (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 24 Jun 2013 09:56:38 +0000

Can I confirm that they would round DOWN the birth age and not UP?

ie. 53 years would be 50 years on one entry and on another 53 years would be 55 years. Do they ALWAY round DOWN or could it go either way.

I hope you understand.

Alex.

Extract from 1841 Enumerator's Directions:

"Write the age of every person under 15 years of age as it is stated to you. For persons aged 15 years and upwards, write the lowest of the term of 5 years within which the age is.

Thus-for Persons aged:
15 years and under 20 write 15
20 years and under 25 write 20
25 years and under 30 write 25
30 years and under 35 write 30
35 years and under 40 write 35
40 years and under 45 write 40
45 years and under 50 write 45
50 years and under 55 write 50
55 years and under 60 write 55
60 years and under 65 write 60
65 years and under 70 write 65
70 years and under 75 write 70
and so on up to the greatest ages

If no more can be ascertained respecting the age of any person than that the person is a child or is grown up, write 'under 20,' or 'above 20,' as the case may be."

That might have been the instructions - but..... I have seen ages go up, go down, accurate and wildly wrong :-)

Sarah JONES (Father: Thomas, Carpenter) (reply)

Paul Andrews — Mon, 24 Jun 2013 09:51:03 +0000

Can I confirm that they would round DOWN the birth age and not UP?

ie. 53 years would be 50 years on one entry and on another 53 years would be 55 years. Do they ALWAY round DOWN or could it go either way.

I hope you understand.

Alex.

Extract from 1841 Enumerator's Directions:

"Write the age of every person under 15 years of age as it is stated to you. For persons aged 15 years and upwards, write the lowest of the term of 5 years within which the age is.

Thus-for Persons aged:
15 years and under 20 write 15
20 years and under 25 write 20
25 years and under 30 write 25
30 years and under 35 write 30
35 years and under 40 write 35
40 years and under 45 write 40
45 years and under 50 write 45
50 years and under 55 write 50
55 years and under 60 write 55
60 years and under 65 write 60
65 years and under 70 write 65
70 years and under 75 write 70
and so on up to the greatest ages

If no more can be ascertained respecting the age of any person than that the person is a child or is grown up, write 'under 20,' or 'above 20,' as the case may be."

Sarah JONES (Father: Thomas, Carpenter) (reply)

AlexBourke — Mon, 24 Jun 2013 08:50:04 +0000

1841 Census:

Age and sex of each person:
Ages up to 15 are listed exactly as reported/recorded but ages over 15 were rounded to the nearest 5 years (i.e. a person aged 53 would be listed on the census as age 50 years).

Extract from info in 1841 Census.

Can I confirm that they would round DOWN the birth age and not UP?

ie. 53 years would be 50 years on one entry and on another 53 years would be 55 years. Do they ALWAY round DOWN or could it go either way.

I hope you understand.

Alex.

Sarah JONES (Father: Thomas, Carpenter) (reply)

AlexBourke — Mon, 24 Jun 2013 08:27:19 +0000

WOW, WOW, WOW.

Just a very quick reply, but thank you so much. There is so much information here it is going to take me some time to digest it and look in fine detail to what you have found. I didn't know about rounding up birth dates on the 1841 census, that's really interesting, and the LDS site I have NEVER used, again very interesting.

I what to write more but I what to look at all the information, I know very childish.

Thank you so much again.

Kind regards
Alex.

Sarah JONES (Father: Thomas, Carpenter) (reply)

m p griffiths — Sun, 23 Jun 2013 09:55:12 +0000

It may be the mother's name could be : Mary Ann - in my family tree, the mother's name was Mary and other time's Ann. On the other hand, there could be two Thomas JONES' who are Carpenters!! There are also baptisms at Newland - parents Thomas & Anne around the time, but no occupation of Thomas given.

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e.g.

Baptism at Newland - 25 October 1801

Mary Anne JONES

father's forename: Tho(ma)s

mother's forename: Anne

residence: Clearwell

Baptism at Newland 5 September 1802

Thomas JONES

father's forename Tho(ma)s

mother's forename: Mary

residence: Clearwell

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Possible siblings on Fod Records

Baptism at Westbury on Severn - 6 July 1813

John JONES

father's forename: Thomas

mother's forename: Mary

Residence: Westbury

occupation: Carpenter

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Baptism at Newland - 19 February 1815

Diana JONES

father's forename: Tho(ma)s

mother's forename: Ann

residence: Purwood (sic)

Occupation: Carpenter

Parish Chapel : Newland (Sarah says she was born in Newland)

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On the Fod records, there is a marriage of a Dinah JONES at Awre - 4 October 1835, to a Jonathan HARPER, with consent of parents. Witnesses: Ann MOUNTJOY, Joseph JONES. Later census Dinah HARPER says she was born in Littledean.

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Baptism at Wetbury on Severn - 5 May 1816

Anne JONES

father's forename: Thomas

mother's forename : Mary

occupation: Carpenter

Chapel : Westbury on Severn

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Baptism at Westbury on Severn 2 April 1818

Samuel JONES

father's forename: Thomas

mother's forename: Mary

residence: Westbury

occupation: Carpenter

(1841 Census, Westbury on Severn, Northwood Green)

Thomas JONES - 60 - Carpenter
Mary JONES - 60
Samuel JONES - 20

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Baptism at Newland - 31 May 1818

Margaret JONES

father's forename: Thomas

mother's forename: Anne

residence: Enwood (sic)

occupation: Carpenter

Parish Chapel : Newland

Sarah JAMES nee JONES 1804 - 1889 Clearwell (reply)

Jefff — Sat, 22 Jun 2013 11:10:40 +0000

Thanks S for finding this Sarah, not sure why I didn't see her in the 1881 Census but v pleased you did, for first time ever I even started dreaming about this hunt last night.
However please advise whether you think this IS "our" Sarah, or just one of the possibles, as clearly it's not a rare name locally at all ?.
I've just re-searched Births for a Sarah Jones born abt 1800-1810, on this site, GlosArchives Non Conformists site, & LDS. However there's no clear birth/baptism in the West Dean area that I can see despite there being quite a few possibles with father Thomas, especially if going over the border especially into Herefds etc.

These are the contenders from this site's PRs:

1043710 1798 JONES Sarah, Thomas & Margaret, Dixton
179780 1800 JONES Sarah, [not stated] & Priscilla, Penalt Penallt Monmouth
375332 1800 JONES Sarah, not stated & Margaret, Ledbury
72000 1803 JONES Sarah, Thomas & Sarah, Newent
391147 1803 JONES Sarah, Thomas & Pherina, Much Marcle
422981 1808 JONES Sarah, Thomas & Elizabeth, Monmouth

I've not searched all of these for likely subsequent marriages but I saw one last night that may fit the Newent one & personally I favour the Monmouth/Dixton ones.
Do you agree these warrant further research to hopefully whittle down further ?.

All the best, Jeff

Thomas JONES cicra 1774 - 1840 Ellwood, Carpenter (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 22 Jun 2013 06:48:59 +0000

Firstly like to say this is my first posting (about requesting help) and I have found a lot of information on this site/forum and made contact with a family relative too.

Secondly I am now a little stuck.

I am trying to find information on a Sarah Jones, born 1806 in Newland.

She was married to Thomas Dorrington (also spelt Darington) 4 March 1827
She was married to Thomas James 19 July 1854
Father was Thomas Jones, Carpenter

I have looked though the records of all Sarah Jones' born 1805-1807 with a father Thomas and found nothing. If anyone has information on either Sarah or her father that would be fantastic.

Kind regards
Alex

a possible

a couple of Thomas/Ann marriage in the 1800-1820 timeframe to consider

Year: 1818
Month: May
Day: 31
Parents_Surname: JONES
Child_Forenames: Margaret
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Mothers_Forenames: Anne
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Enwood[sic]`
Occupation: Carpenter
Officiating_Minister: P M Procter-Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 34
Parish_Chapel: Newland

1841 Glen [GLYN nr Ellwood]
Thomas Jones abt 1776 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire Carpenter
Margaret Jones abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire

Year: 1850
Month: Jul
Day: 3
Surname: JONES
Forenames: Thomas
Residence: The Glynn
Age_at_death: 76
Officiating_Minister: G Ridout Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/27
Page_No: 31
Parish_Chapel: Newland

Sarah JAMES nee JONES 1804 - 1889 Clearwell (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 22 Jun 2013 06:32:47 +0000

Searching when & where she dies may help ?

1. From this thread it appears Sarah James nee Jones dies after the 1871 Census but before the 1881. I've searched hard for her on the 1881, using both LDS and Ancestry's Free 1881 Search, but no luck.
Thinking if still living she'd be with son Jacob Dorrington, I've also thoroughly searched the 1881 for him, also wife Ruth Dorrington. However I cannot find either, I wonder if due to a poor transcription of Dorrington ????

If you can find them perhaps you'll find Sarah, if not it may still help give a clue as to Sarah's place of death, and be a valuable part of this tree.

"England and Wales Census, 1871"
Name: Ruth Elsmore
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Female
Age: 19
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Birthplace: West Dean, Gloucestershire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Monmouth
Sub-District: Coleford
Parish: West Dean
County: Monmouthshire
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Self Edwin Elsmore M 45 West Dean, Gloucestershire
Wife Mary Elsmore F 47 West Dean, Gloucestershire
Daughter Ruth Elsmore F 19 West Dean, Gloucestershire
Daughter Lucia P Elsmore F 17 West Dean, Gloucestershire
Son Samuel Elsmore M 15 West Dean, Gloucestershire
Son Edwin Elsmore M 8 West Dean, Gloucestershire
Son John Elsmore M 6 West Dean, Gloucestershire
Daughter Elizabeth Elsmore F 4 West Dean, Gloucestershire

From FreeBMD:
Surname Given Name District Volume Page Transcribers
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Births Jun 1851
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ELLSMORE Ruth Monmouth XXVI 94 pgymy
Ellsmore Ruth Monmouth XXVI 94 KP99

GlosBMD:
Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
ELLSMORE Ruth ELLSMORE ELLSMORE SIMONS 1851 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 7 482

Record_ID: 14322
Entry_Number: 110
Year: 1848
Month: Jul
Day: 4
Grooms_Surname: ELSMORE
Grooms_Forenames: Edwin
Grooms_Age: 22
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Ellwood
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: ELSMORE
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Joseph
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: SIMMONS
Brides_Forenames: Mary
Brides_Age: 23
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: Servant
Brides_Residence: Ellwood
Brides_Fathers_Surname: WATKINS
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: John
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Farmer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: both mark
Witness_1: Thomas Baylis
Witness_2: George Benfield
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Henry Poole
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P145 IN 1/20
Page_Number: 55
Parish_Chapel: Parkend
Soundex_Groom: E425
Soundex_Bride: S552

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2. I've searched FreeBMD (including using Ancestry Free Search) for a DEATH for Sarah James after 1871, viewing all Gloucestershire, hoping the given birth might help. Assuming she dies within our area, here are my possibles:

Deaths Mar 1873 (>99%)
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James Sarah 76 Monmouth 11a 17

Deaths Jun 1875 (>99%)
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James Sarah 75 Ross 6a 335

Deaths Mar 1877 (>99%)
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James Sarah 82 Monmouth 11a 16

Deaths Jun 1882 (>99%)
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James Sarah 78 Chepstow 11a 9

and so on...

Searching this site gives;

Record_ID: 44406
Entry_Number: 114
Year: 1873
Month: Mar
Day: 11
Surname: JAMES
Forenames: Sarah
Residence: Oldcroft
Age_at_death: 76
Officiating_Minister: Sam Edwards
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: 273
Notes:
Register_Reference: P348 IN 1/5
Page_No: 15
Parish_Chapel: Viney Hill
Soundex: J520

OLDCROFT IS PARKEND AREA

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Record_ID: 61622
Entry_Number: 426
Year: 1877
Month: Dec
Day: 6
Surname: JAMES
Forenames: Sarah
Residence: Wife of Tho's James
Age_at_death: 82
Officiating_Minister: Rob[er]t Stevens
Event: Interment
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: (1) Mitcheldean Lane End (2) South Div'n Adults Gr (3) A 28 (4) Unconsecrated (5)
Notes:
Register_Reference: DA25/204/2
Page_No: 22
Parish_Chapel: Coleford Cemetery
Soundex: J520

WRONG HUSBAND !

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Record_ID: 234107
Entry_Number: 194
Year: 1876
Month: Dec
Day: 20
Surname: JAMES
Forenames: Sarah
Residence: Chepstow
Age_at_death: 88 years
Officiating_Minister: Rev[eren]d C C Bull
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: [1]Widow [2][place of burial] Plot G [number of grant] 205 [3]con[secrated ground]
Notes:
Register_Reference: B or 2
Page_No: 10
Parish_Chapel: Chepstow Muncipal Cemetery
Soundex: J520

TOO OLD ? SHARED PLOT ?

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Record_ID: 66143
Entry_Number: 364
Year: 1882
Month: Apr
Day: 24
Surname: JAMES
Forenames: Sarah
Residence: S. Briavels
Age_at_death: 78
Officiating_Minister: W[illia]m Taprell Allen Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P278 IN 1/20
Page_No: 46
Parish_Chapel: St Briavels
Soundex: J520

FIND ON 1881 CENSUS, THEN ?

Sorry nothing certain, but hopefully some useful pointers anyhow ?

atb Jeff

1881 Clearwell
Sarah James abt 1801 Clearwell, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire Widower

Year: 1889
Month: May
Day: 10
Surname: JAMES
Forenames: Sarah
Residence: Clearwell
Age_at_death: 84
Officiating_Minister: Charles Edwd Bentley Curate
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P88 IN 1/7
Page_No: 63
Parish_Chapel: Clearwell

Sarah JAMES nee JONES dies ???? (reply)

Jefff — Sat, 22 Jun 2013 02:17:40 +0000

Searching when & where she dies may help ?

1. From this thread it appears Sarah James nee Jones dies after the 1871 Census but before the 1881. I've searched hard for her on the 1881, using both LDS and Ancestry's Free 1881 Search, but no luck.
Thinking if still living she'd be with son Jacob Dorrington, I've also thoroughly searched the 1881 for him, also wife Ruth Dorrington. However I cannot find either, I wonder if due to a poor transcription of Dorrington ????

If you can find them perhaps you'll find Sarah, if not it may still help give a clue as to Sarah's place of death, and be a valuable part of this tree.

Record_ID: 14959
Entry_Number: 250
Year: 1872
Month: Sep
Day: 5
Grooms_Surname: DORRINGTON
Grooms_Forenames: Jacob
Grooms_Age: 37
Groom_Condition: Batchelor
Grooms_Occupation: Miner
Grooms_Residence: Ellwood
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Dorrington
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Brides_Surname: ELSMORE
Brides_Forenames: Ruth
Brides_Age: 20
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Ellwood
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Elsmore
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Edwin
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He signs she marks
Witness_1: Henry Gunter
Witness_2: Ann Gunter
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Jo[hn] Jo[seph] Elsworth Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P245 IN 1/21
Page_Number: 125
Parish_Chapel: Parkend
Soundex_Groom: D652
Soundex_Bride: E425

"England and Wales Census, 1871"
Name: Ruth Elsmore
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Female
Age: 19
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Birthplace: West Dean, Gloucestershire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Monmouth
Sub-District: Coleford
Parish: West Dean
County: Monmouthshire
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Self Edwin Elsmore M 45 West Dean, Gloucestershire
Wife Mary Elsmore F 47 West Dean, Gloucestershire
Daughter Ruth Elsmore F 19 West Dean, Gloucestershire
Daughter Lucia P Elsmore F 17 West Dean, Gloucestershire
Son Samuel Elsmore M 15 West Dean, Gloucestershire
Son Edwin Elsmore M 8 West Dean, Gloucestershire
Son John Elsmore M 6 West Dean, Gloucestershire
Daughter Elizabeth Elsmore F 4 West Dean, Gloucestershire

From FreeBMD:
Surname Given Name District Volume Page Transcribers
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Births Jun 1851
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ELLSMORE Ruth Monmouth XXVI 94 pgymy
Ellsmore Ruth Monmouth XXVI 94 KP99

GlosBMD:
Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
ELLSMORE Ruth ELLSMORE ELLSMORE SIMONS 1851 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 7 482

Record_ID: 14322
Entry_Number: 110
Year: 1848
Month: Jul
Day: 4
Grooms_Surname: ELSMORE
Grooms_Forenames: Edwin
Grooms_Age: 22
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Ellwood
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: ELSMORE
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Joseph
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: SIMMONS
Brides_Forenames: Mary
Brides_Age: 23
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: Servant
Brides_Residence: Ellwood
Brides_Fathers_Surname: WATKINS
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: John
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Farmer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: both mark
Witness_1: Thomas Baylis
Witness_2: George Benfield
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Henry Poole
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P145 IN 1/20
Page_Number: 55
Parish_Chapel: Parkend
Soundex_Groom: E425
Soundex_Bride: S552

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2. I've searched FreeBMD (including using Ancestry Free Search) for a DEATH for Sarah James after 1871, viewing all Gloucestershire, hoping the given birth might help. Assuming she dies within our area, here are my possibles:

Deaths Mar 1873 (>99%)
----------------------------------
James Sarah 76 Monmouth 11a 17

Deaths Jun 1875 (>99%)
----------------------------------
James Sarah 75 Ross 6a 335

Deaths Mar 1877 (>99%)
----------------------------------
James Sarah 82 Monmouth 11a 16

Deaths Jun 1882 (>99%)
----------------------------------
James Sarah 78 Chepstow 11a 9

and so on...

Searching this site gives;

Record_ID: 44406
Entry_Number: 114
Year: 1873
Month: Mar
Day: 11
Surname: JAMES
Forenames: Sarah
Residence: Oldcroft
Age_at_death: 76
Officiating_Minister: Sam Edwards
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: 273
Notes:
Register_Reference: P348 IN 1/5
Page_No: 15
Parish_Chapel: Viney Hill
Soundex: J520

OLDCROFT IS PARKEND AREA

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Record_ID: 61622
Entry_Number: 426
Year: 1877
Month: Dec
Day: 6
Surname: JAMES
Forenames: Sarah
Residence: Wife of Tho's James
Age_at_death: 82
Officiating_Minister: Rob[er]t Stevens
Event: Interment
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: (1) Mitcheldean Lane End (2) South Div'n Adults Gr (3) A 28 (4) Unconsecrated (5)
Notes:
Register_Reference: DA25/204/2
Page_No: 22
Parish_Chapel: Coleford Cemetery
Soundex: J520

WRONG HUSBAND !

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Record_ID: 234107
Entry_Number: 194
Year: 1876
Month: Dec
Day: 20
Surname: JAMES
Forenames: Sarah
Residence: Chepstow
Age_at_death: 88 years
Officiating_Minister: Rev[eren]d C C Bull
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: [1]Widow [2][place of burial] Plot G [number of grant] 205 [3]con[secrated ground]
Notes:
Register_Reference: B or 2
Page_No: 10
Parish_Chapel: Chepstow Muncipal Cemetery
Soundex: J520

TOO OLD ? SHARED PLOT ?

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Record_ID: 66143
Entry_Number: 364
Year: 1882
Month: Apr
Day: 24
Surname: JAMES
Forenames: Sarah
Residence: S. Briavels
Age_at_death: 78
Officiating_Minister: W[illia]m Taprell Allen Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P278 IN 1/20
Page_No: 46
Parish_Chapel: St Briavels
Soundex: J520

FIND ON 1881 CENSUS, THEN ?

Sorry nothing certain, but hopefully some useful pointers anyhow ?

atb Jeff

Sarah DORRINGTON nee JONES c1800s Newland (reply)

Jefff — Fri, 21 Jun 2013 22:41:53 +0000

Hi Alex,
Thanks for saying you've been using the site & forum to build your tree. You therefore probably know there are quite a few Sarah Jones' born to Thomas' in the early 1800s within possible reach of the Newland area. Do you have Ancestry etc access ?. I don't, but searching for her using the excellent LDS site (LatterDay Saints aka FamilySearch) gives several Sarahs born 1800-1810, especially if you consider she may be from across the nearby Wye into Wales, likely I think given her father's name.
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Asarah%...

I use this span of birthdate as I think your 1805-1807 date is too narrow. From another post on this thread is a summary of her Census details:

West Dean census: 1841 Sarah "35" - see below
West Dean census: 1851 Sarah 49 so born abt 1802
West Dean census: 1861 Sarah 55 so born abt 1806
West Dean census: 1871 Sarah 70 so born abt 1801

As you can see Sarah's given age so birthdate varies rather a lot which is not helpful eg from the 1841 she's born abt 1806, but by the 1851 it's 1802 !.
However during the 1841 Census, adult's ages were rounded to the nearest 5yrs. http://www.uk1841census.com/intro.php
So during the 1841 Census her actual given age may have been 33 to 38, say, which gives an actual birthdate from 1803 to 1808.
For later Census' they recorded the exact GIVEN age, unfortunately this often varied particularly with ladies...
In my experience some lady's given ages tended to be artifically lower when they were actually abt 50, yet even older as they became 70 or so. In this respect wrt the 1851 Census, I'd guess she was quite probably already 50 when claiming to be 49.

Based on this judgement personally I'd consider births as early as 1802 as "possibles" for your Sarah.

So, sorry, not a great aid to finding "your" Sarah's birth amongst the possibles, but I thought I should mention this unhelpful fact anyhow wrt the 1841 Census.
I hope it's some assistance, maybe from your previous searches you found an "almost possible" born outside your 1805-1807 who maybe deserves reconsidering, I do hope so.

atb Jeff

Sarah DORRINGTON nee JONES cicra 1806 Newland (reply)

AlexBourke — Fri, 21 Jun 2013 16:47:17 +0000

Firstly like to say this is my first posting (about requesting help) and I have found a lot of information on this site/forum and made contact with a family relative too.

Secondly I am now a little stuck.

I am trying to find information on a Sarah Jones, born 1806 in Newland.

She was married to Thomas Dorrington (also spelt Darington) 4 March 1827
She was married to Thomas James 19 July 1854
Father was Thomas Jones, Carpenter

I have looked though the records of all Sarah Jones' born 1805-1807 with a father Thomas and found nothing. If anyone has information on either Sarah or her father that would be fantastic.

Kind regards
Alex

Elizabeth Dorrington (reply)

Liphook2 — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:14:02 +0000

Thank you for your efforts,this will be most helpful toward the family history research of the Kear family..

Elizabeth Dorrington was the sister of my Jacob (reply)

kiwiceltic — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:13:36 +0000

Elizabeth Dorrington was the sister of my Jacob.
Jacob married Ruth ELSMORE.
Ruth ELSMORE (21 May 1851-26 Sep 1893)
m.05 Sep 1872 Jacob DORRINGTON
Jacob DORRINGTON’s parents were Thomas DORRINGTON and Sarah ?
West Dean census: 1841 Thomas 40, Sarah 34, Elizabeth 14, Thomas 10, Jacob 5.
West Dean census: 1851 Thomas 54 b. Aston upon Trent Derbyshire, Sarah 49 b.Newland, Thomas 20, Jacob 15.
West Dean census: 1861 Sarah James 55 widow, Jacob 25.
West Dean census: 1871 Sarah James 70 widow mother, Jacob 35
no issue:
But helped in the raising of Amelia Jane MORSE(Mary Jane) after Lucy ELSMORE(Mrs Richard MORSE early death

Elizabeth Dorrington (reply)

bertha — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 03:19:46 +0000

This is a possible marriage for Elizabeths' parents taken from the Parish Records Section of this website

Record_ID: 27942
Entry_Number: 64
Year: 1827
Month: Mar.
Day: 4
Grooms_Surname: DARINGTON
Grooms_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Age: [not
Groom_Condition: Widower
Grooms_Occupation: [not stated]
Grooms_Residence: Hundred of St Briavels
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Surname: JONES
Brides_Forenames: Sarah
Brides_Age: [not
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Hundred of St Briavels
Brides_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: The mark of Thomas Jones
Witness_2: Eleanor Moxley[?]
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Walter Henry HillCurate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P175 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 22
Parish_Chapel: Hewelsfield
Soundex_Groom: D652
Soundex_Bride: J520

Baptism of Thomas taken from the Parish Records Section of this website

Record_ID: 111630
Entry_Number: 480
Year: 1830
Month: Sep
Day: 5
Parents_Surname: DORRINGTON
Child_Forenames: Thomas
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Ellwood
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: H[enr]y Poole Minister
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P245 IN 1/9
Page_Number: 60
Parish_Chapel: Parkend
Soundex: D652

Baptism of Jacob taken from the Parish Records Section of this website
Record_ID: 111875
Entry_Number: 725
Year: 1835
Month: Aug
Day: 30
Parents_Surname: DORRINGTON
Child_Forenames: Jacob
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Clever End
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: H[enr]y Poole Minister
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P245 IN 1/9
Page_Number: 91
Parish_Chapel: Parkend
Soundex: D652

1851 England Census
Jacob Darrington abt 1836 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah Darrington abt 1802 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Darrington abt 1797 Aston of Kest, Derbyshire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Darrington abt 1831 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

Death of Thomas taken from the Parish Records Section of this website
Record_ID: 30781
Entry_Number: 465
Year: 1853
Month: Dec
Day: 23
Surname: DORRINGTON
Forenames: Thomas
Residence: Claver End Green
Age_at_death: 55
Officiating_Minister: John Hawksley Curate
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/27
Page_No: 59
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex: D652

Re-marriage of Sarah Dorrington which confirms her fathers name as Thomas Jones

Record_ID: 14528
Entry_Number: 317
Year: 1854
Month: Jul
Day: 19
Grooms_Surname: JAMES
Grooms_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Age: full age
Groom_Condition: Widower
Grooms_Occupation: Mason
Grooms_Residence: Clearwell
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: James
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Mason
Brides_Surname: DORRINGTON
Brides_Forenames: Sarah
Brides_Age: full age
Brides_Condition: Widow
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Ellwood
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Jones
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Carpenter
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: both mark
Witness_1: Henry Gunter
Witness_2: Mark of George Benfield
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Henry Poole
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P145 IN 1/20
Page_Number: 159
Parish_Chapel: Parkend
Soundex_Groom: J520
Soundex_Bride: D652

1861 Clearwell next St Peters ChurchEngland Census
Jacob Darington abt 1836 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Sarah James abt 1806 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
John Hurd abt 1815 North Nibley, Gloucestershire, England Lodger Newland, Gloucestershire
John Smith abt 1825 Shropshire, England Lodger Newland, Gloucestershire

1871 Clearwell England Census
Jacob Dorrington abt 1836 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Joseph Goleman abt 1836 Clearwell, Gloucestershire, England Lodger Newland, Gloucestershire
Sarah James abt 1801 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire

Elizabeth Dorrington (reply)

gwrmad — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 00:59:33 +0000

According to the 41 census on this site
Thomas 40
Sarah 35
Elizabeth 14
Thomas 10
Jacob 5

Elizabeth Dorrington

Liphook2 — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 00:26:19 +0000

Would like to find family history of Elizabeth Dorrington born 1829, father was a Thomas Dorrington, she married a James Kear , would like to find more history on her family , ie mother and brothers and sisters....