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Malson Family . . (reply)

pamclark — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 04:39:52 +0000

Hi Dan,
On a visit to Drybrook churchyard last month found a gravestone for Richard Malson died 20 Nov 1923 age 90 and Naomi Malson born 29 May 1931 died 11 Sept 1913.

Think this may be the Richard you are looking for. I have him as the son of Thomas Malson and Hannah (Gregory). On this site found a baptism at Mitcheldean Congregational 13 Mar 1833 for Richard Melsom son of Thomas and Hannah which I think might well fit given the age at death of 90 which would make the year of birh 1833.

I couldn't find a burial record for a Richard Malson for 1876 age 40 but did find a burial 23 Oct 1867 for a Richard Malson age 40 at Mitcheldean. This would make the year of birth c1827 and I think would make him the son of John Malson and Sarah (Platt).

Hope this is of some help

Regards

Pam

Malson family . . . (reply)

kerriaylesbury — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 03:12:21 +0000

Sorry Dan,

I gave you duff info - I realised after checking my files that I got the John Malson 1539 baptism from the IGI website - not this one... I should have checked the sources before rambling on - sorry! I have to say though, that I have collected a lot of the IGI info over the last 6 years and as the FOD website is being updated, it very closely correlates (sometimes the dates are out by exactly one year on the very old records where the different calendars are used) and so in my very humble opinion, the IGI seems to be a pretty trustworthy source with regards to the Malson/Malsom family from Gloucestershire ;-)

Again, apologies that I misled you...
Kerri

Thomas MALSON m Hannah GREGORY (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:13:48 +0000

Year: 1825
Month: Jun
Day: 24
Grooms_Surname: MALSOM
Grooms_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Abinghall
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: GREGORY
Brides_Forenames: Hannah
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Abinghall
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Mark of John Griffiths
Witness_2: Ann Griffiths
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Joseph Daniel
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P1 IN 1/9
Page_Number: 30
Parish_Chapel: Abenhall

Thomas MALSON approx 1844 - 1845 Abenhall/ Edge Hills (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:07:54 +0000

Year 1844
Month Mar
Day 31
Parents Surname MALSON
Child Forenames Thomas
Fathers Forenames Thomas
Mothers Forenames Hannah
Mothers Surname
Residence New Land
Occupation [not stated]
Officiating Minister John Knight
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes Edge Hills
Register Reference D2598 5/3
Page Number
Parish Chapel Forest of Dean Bible Christian Circuit

Year: 1845
Month: Jan
Day: 27
Surname: MALSON
Forenames: Thomas
Residence:
Age_at_death: 10 months
Officiating_Minister: John Horlick
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: D6026 8/1
Page_No: 97
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean Congregational

Richard MALSON approx 1833 Abenhall/Plump Hill/Mitcheldean (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 27 Oct 2008 23:56:34 +0000

1871
Richard Malson abt 1833 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Naomi Malson abt 1832 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Alfred Malson abt 1868 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Malson abt 1864 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Leah E Malson abt 1853 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sidney Malson abt 1871 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Tom Malson abt 1859 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
William Malson i abt 1866 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

1851
Thomas Malsom abt 1795 Abinghall, Glamorgan, Wales Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Hannah Malsom abt 1801 Dean Forest, Glamorgan, Wales Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
Ann Malsom abt 1831 Abinghall, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Emma Malsom abt 1845 East Dean, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
George Malsom h abt 1823 Micheldever, Glamorgan, Wales Son Newland, Gloucestershire
James Malsom abt 1826 Abinghall, Glamorgan, Wales Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Leah Malsom abt 1841 Abinghall, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Mary Malsom abt 1841 Abinghall, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Rickard Malsom abt 1834 Abinghall, Glamorgan, Wales Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Timothy Malsom abt 1831 Abinghall, Glamorgan, Wales Son Newland, Gloucestershire

Year 1833
Month Mar
Day 13
Parents Surname MELSOM
Child Forenames Richard
Fathers Forenames Thomas
Mothers Forenames Hannah
Mothers Surname
Residence
Occupation
Officiating Minister John Horlick
Event Baptism
Memoranda Son of
Notes
Register Reference D6026 8/1
Page Number 18
Parish Chapel Mitcheldean Congregational

Malson Family (reply)

Dabm — Mon, 27 Oct 2008 23:33:53 +0000

Hello all,

I am looking to find the birth cert. / baptism for Richard Malson, marriage resord below but I can't find any record of birth. Richard is a son of Thomas Malson (as per below). The ony Richard (son of Thomas) I can find was born in 1804 and another in 1806, both born to Thomas and Sarah however this would mean Richard was 49 when he married Naomi, she was born in 1831. Whilst it's possible, I think it's unlikely as there are resords of Richard and Naomi having children up to 1875 which would make Richard 69. Possible but unlikely.

Record_ID: 13654
Entry_Number: 183
Year: 1855
Month: Sep
Day: 30
Grooms_Surname: MALSON
Grooms_Forenames: Richard
Grooms_Age: Full
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: collier
Grooms_Residence: Dry Brook
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Malson
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: labourer
Brides_Surname: PARKER
Brides_Forenames: Naomi
Brides_Age: full
Brides_Condition: Widow

I have found a burial recorded for Richard Malson in 1876, died at age 40 which I think is more likely to be the right person but still not able to find evidence of a birth circa 1835/6.

Any assistance appreciated.

Regards

Dan Malson

Malson family . . . (reply)

Dabm — Sun, 26 Oct 2008 21:32:21 +0000

Hi Kerri,

I can't remember the Maltese link but I have been doing some more digging and have come accross a Malsen (Van Malsen) in the twelth century. My thought, as Malson is not a typical English name, is that it's an English development of a foreign name. IE English will coloquilise (?) 'sen' to 'son' as it would be their assumption of spelling upon hearing the name. I'll include below some info that I've been sent on the earliest mention of the 'Malsen' version :

Message from someone I contacted ref. Malsen (Van Malsen): I have one Hermann van Malsen (von would be German, whereas van is Dutch/Flemish). Cuijck is the name of a village, so it's possible Malsen was too. Malsen's father's surname of Kempengau suggests a German origin, even though he was born in the Netherlands; German nouns ending in 'gau tend to refer to a region or district. Specifically he was 'Graf im Kempengau' or 'Count in the Kempen region.' Kempen is a town in NW Westphalia in Germany, but there is also a Dutch-Belgian region, usually referred to as Campine:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campine
I tend towards the Belgian-Dutch view, but it's possible I took the info from a German website.
There is a Dutch castle called Huis van Malsen:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maasdriel
But when you click on it, it takes you to the region of Maasdriel in Drenthe in the eastern Netherlands, which would place it right next to Germany.
This following link has some info in Dutch:
http://www.benvanrijswijk.com/genealogie/malsen2.htm
I don't really read Dutch, but the gist seems to be that the van Malsen surname was still around in the 1230s.

In the meantime, thanks for your info. and although I can find Malsons back for several hundred years I haven't managed yet to link them ! I'm sure you are a lot further on that me !

I'll take a look at your suggestions and will let you know if I manage to find anything that may be of interest to you.

Regards

Dan

Malson family . . . (reply)

kerriaylesbury — Sat, 25 Oct 2008 02:07:02 +0000

Hi Dan,

Congratulations on getting so far back in your family tree - I'm very envious! The earliest Malson/Malsom I have been able to directly link to is John Malson ~1660 - 1670 - despite narrowing down possible parents, I have 2 very good fits left, which means I have probably hit a brick wall.

The earliest Malson I have managed to find has been a John Malson baptism 1/8/1539, Westbury-on-Severn.. on this website - there are many more that should help you. Not all the records have been uploaded (although thanks to the generosity of the volunteers there aren't that many records left!), you can check these on the website through the Parish Records tab, just in case your parish isn't updated yet...

There is also a database on the Gloucester Record Office website that could be useful to you, lists records by date for wills, non-conformist records etc... it is a very reasonable service to order copies and have them sent to you too - I am just working my way through 14 wills - earliest Joseph 1672 so probably no help to you - and doesn't look too promising for my search either ;-) I live in Australia and for all the copies and the postage it cost 44 pounds... The reason I mention this as a possible avenue for you is that I can see wills on the search for mid 16th century (one is a Richard, will date 1559).

As for the name articles, I am intrigued - did you get these online? I have looked online and through many reference books and can't seem to find an explanation (all my other surnames are there, just this one is proving elusive). Did you look at 'Malson' or other spelling variations.. e.g 'Mawlson, Maulson" etc...

Good luck in your investigations :)

Kerri

Malson family . . .

Dabm — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 03:02:46 +0000

Good Afternoon All,

Looking into the Malson family history and can see there were plenty of them listed in Parish records back to 16/17 hundreds.

The earliest Malson record I can find is a death cert. for "Ricus Malson" from 1597 but nothing before that.

Are there any Malsons that have successfully traced the line back to here (Ricus) or even before ?

I have read different 'articles' on the origins of the name claiming it to be various origins from Maltese to German and would really like to know the actual origins if possible ?

Any assistance greatly appreciated.

Regards

Dan Malson