Forest of Dean FHT Forum - William WATKINS 1828 ish MON Shoe/boot maker

William WATKINS 1828 ish MON Shoe/boot maker (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 28 Sep 2012 17:00:57 +0000

1861 Cenus

William Watkins
Eliza (Smith) Married St Nicholas Church, Gloucester 1849
Albert
Hubert (my Grandfather)
Rueben

1851 Cenus

William Watkins (Shoemaker employing men)
Mary Watkins
George Watkins 31
Anne Watkins 28
William Watkins 22
William Edmonds 27 Journeyman
William Pritchard 20 Apprentice

1851 Cenus

Eliza Watkins nee Smith living in a lodging house
in Alney Island, Gloucester

1861
William Watkins abt 1828 Monmouthshire, Wales Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Eliza Watkins abt 1827 Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
Albert Watkins abt 1856 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Hubert Watkins abt 1859 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Reuben Watkins abt 1860 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire

1851 Llantillio Crossenny
William Watkins 61
Mary Watkins 53
Geoge Watkins 31
Ann Watkins 28
William Watkins 22 ( unmarried son)
William Edmonds 27
William Pritchard 27

WATKINS Reuben
WATKINS SMITH
1860 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 16 227

now rather spoils my FROWEN theory !!!

1851
Eliza Frowen abt 1829 Bricknor, Gloucestershire, England Servant Hasfield, Gloucestershire

Year: 1828
Month: Jul
Day: 1
Parents_Surname: FROWEN
Child_Forenames: Eliza
Fathers_Forenames:
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Caldwell
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: T Marwood Rector
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P138 in 1/5
Page_Number: 41
Parish_Chapel: English Bicknor

William WATKINS Shoemaker, b1829 Bristol ? (reply)

Jefff — Fri, 28 Sep 2012 16:15:41 +0000

Hi Jan,
Is it possible this is the same William Watkins aged 22, but named twice in the 1851 Census, once at his place of work as per your post and again at home, as below ?

From Glos FHS cd, 1851 Census:

1959 1851 CENSUS HO107/1959 FF.0089-0116 ED.3A NEWNHAM 1
Piece: 1959 Folio: 0107 Schedule: 107
Address: Ruardeanhill

WATKINS William HD M 22 Shoe Maker GLS Bristol (c1829)
WATKINS Elizabeth WI M 23 - GLS Gloucester (c1828)
WATKINS Albert G. SO U 8M - GLS East Dean (c1850)

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Ref your "Island" reference, in case you didnt have it in full, the Glos FHS cd gives:

1961 1851 CENSUS HO107/1961 FF.0246 - 0285 ED.1A SAINT NICHOLAS
Piece: 1961 Folio: 0262 Schedule: 101
Address: Island

DUNN Caroline WI M 56 Lodginghouse Keeper GLS Gloucester (c1795)
WATKINS Elizabeth VR M 23 - GLS Gloucester (c1828)
JENKINS Maria VR U 21 - GLS Gloucester (c1830)
MILLS Henry GS U 12 - GLS Gloucester (c1839)
JONES David VR - 21 Rail Lab GLS Gloucester (c1830)
JONES John VR - 23 Rail Lab WLS North Wales (c1828)
SLEADS John VR M 23 Rail Lab GLS Gloucester (c1828)
- Richard VR M 23 Sawyer - - (c1828)

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This household may be relevant from the same Census:

1961 1851 CENSUS HO107/1961 FF.0246 - 0285 ED.1A SAINT NICHOLAS
Piece: 1961 Folio: 0284 Schedule: 258
Address: Island

WATKINS William HD M 28 Cordwainer LAN Hornby (c1823)
WATKINS Emily WI M 27 - GLS Gloucester St.Nicholas (c1824)
WATKINS William SO - 3 - GLS Gloucester St.Nicholas (c1848)
WATKINS Samuel SO - 1 - GLS Gloucester St.Nicholas (c1850)

(Now off to discover for myself where Alney Island is, by the docks/canal perhaps ?)

Update: nice to see not just me who had never heard of it !. But the Azores...?
http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/Big-Issue-exactly-Alney-Island/story-16021327-de...

William WATKINS 1828 ish MON Shoe/boot maker (reply)

janlong — Fri, 28 Sep 2012 14:21:37 +0000

1861 Cenus

William Watkins
Eliza (Smith) Married St Nicholas Church, Gloucester 1849
Albert
Hubert (my Grandfather)
Rueben

1851 Cenus

William Watkins (Shoemaker employing men)
Mary Watkins
George Watkins 31
Anne Watkins 28
William Watkins 22
William Edmonds 27 Journeyman
William Pritchard 20 Apprentice

1851 Cenus

Eliza Watkins nee Smith living in a lodging house
in Alney Island, Gloucester

Amy BOX 1865 Bream w/o Joseph WATKINS (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 30 Jul 2006 06:35:25 +0000

Name: Joseph Watkins
Name: Amy Box
Year of Registration: 1889
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Chepstow
County: Gloucestershire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 17

1881 Allastone, Lydney
George Box abt 1829 Penult P Llandoyn Head Lydney Gloucestershire
Harriet Box abt 1830 Blakeney, Gloucestershire, England Wife Lydney Gloucestershire
Amy Box abt 1865 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney Gloucestershire
Aurthur Box abt 1868 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney Gloucestershire
Clara Box abt 1871 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney Gloucestershire
Edith Box abt 1862 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney Gloucestershire

1871 New Mills Bream
George Box abt 1827 Penalt, Monmouthshire, Wales Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Harriet Box abt 1828 Blakeney, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Amy Box abt 1865 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Arthur G Box abt 1868 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Clara M Box abt 1871 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Edith Box abt 1862 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Emily Box abt 1859 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire

Name: Arthur George Box
Year of Registration: 1868
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 31

Name: Edith Box
Year of Registration: 1861
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 17

1861 Maple Hill Bream
George Box abt 1828 Penalt, Monmouthshire, Wales Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Harriet Box abt 1829 Blakeney, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Laura Maria Box abt 1855 Garndunis, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Emile Adalade Box abt 1859 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Thomas Box abt 1831 Penalt, Monmouthshire, Wales Brother West Dean Gloucestershire

1851 Upper Forge Bream
John Stephens 56 abt 1795 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland Gloucestershire
Ann Stephens 63 abt 1788 Penalt, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Newland Gloucestershire
Peter Mackbride 21 abt 1830 Gloucestershire, England Son Newland Gloucestershire
George Box 22 abt 1829 Penalt, Monmouthshire, Wales Nephew Newland Gloucestershire
John Box 24 abt 1827 Penalt, Monmouthshire, Wales Nephew Newland Gloucestershire

1841 Penalt Mon
Johnathan Box abt 1791 Monmouthshire, Wales Penalth Monmouthshire Blacksmith
Ann Box abt 1801 Monmouthshire, Wales Penalth Monmouthshire
Ann Box abt 1830 Monmouthshire, Wales Penalth Monmouthshire
[J] Cread Box abt 1831 Monmouthshire, Wales Penalth Monmouthshire
George Box abt 1829 Monmouthshire, Wales Penalth Monmouthshire
James Box abt 1834 Monmouthshire, Wales Penalth Monmouthshire

Baptism
20 Ap 1828 George Jonathan Creed & Anne Box Tregagal [Tre-gagle]

Deaths
Box Ann 16 Mr 1865 otp age 70
Box Jonathan 16 Jy 1876 Tregagal age 92

JONATHAN CREED BOX
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 11 DEC 1831 Penallt, Monmouth, England
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Parents:
Father: JONATHAN CREED BOX
Mother: ANN
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C023881 1813 - 1870 0104901 Film 0820541 Film
Sheet: 00

JONATHAN CREAD BOX
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 24 OCT 1824 Penallt, Monmouth, England
Death: 15 AUG 1825
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Parents:
Father: JONATHAN CREAD BOX
Mother: ANNE
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C023881 1813 - 1870 0104901 Film 0820541 Film
Sheet: 00

Joseph WATKINS 1865 Pillowell Shoe/boot maker

slowhands — Sun, 30 Jul 2006 05:30:46 +0000

1911 Pillowell
Joseph Watkins 46
Amy Watkins 46
George Watkins 15
Doris Watkins 14
Harold Watkins 12

1901 Pillowell Boot-maker
Joseph Watkins abt 1866 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Monmouthshire
Amy Watkins abt 1867 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Monmouthshire
Winnie Watkins abt 1892 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Monmouthshire
George Watkins abt 1896 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Monmouthshire
Doris Watkins abt 1897 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Monmouthshire
Harold Watkins abt 1899 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Monmouthshire

1891 {WATKINS} Yorkley Rd, Pillowell Shoe Maker
Eliza Walkin abt 1828 Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Joseph Walkin abt 1865 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Amy Walkin abt 1866 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter-in-law West Dean Gloucestershire

1881 Pillowell Cordwainer
William Watkins abt 1828 Monmouth, Wales Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Eliza Watkins abt 1829 Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Emma Watkins abt 1863 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Hubert Watkins abt 1859 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Joseph Watkins abt 1865 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Reuben Watkins abt 1861 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Thersa Watkins abt 1868 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire

1871 Yorkley Shoemaker
William Watkins abt 1827 Monmouthshire, Wales Head Newland Gloucestershire
Eliza Watkins abt 1828 Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland Gloucestershire
Emma Watkins abt 1863 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland Gloucestershire
George Watkins abt 1856 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland Gloucestershire
Hubert Watkins abt 1859 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland Gloucestershire
Joseph Watkins abt 1865 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland Gloucestershire
Rueben Watkins abt 1861 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland Gloucestershire
Samuel Watkins abt 1870 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland Gloucestershire
Tressa Watkins abt 1868 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland Gloucestershire

Name: Joseph Watkins
Year of Registration: 1865
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 26

1861 Pillowell Cordwainer
William Watkins abt 1828 Not Known, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Newland Gloucestershire
Eliza Watkins abt 1827 Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland Gloucestershire
Albert Watkins abt 1856 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland Gloucestershire
Hubert Watkins abt 1859 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland Gloucestershire
Reuben Watkins abt 1860 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland Gloucestershire

Possible marriage ?
Name:Eliza Frower [n]
Name: William Watkins
Year of Registration: 1854
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 49