Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Jane MORTIMORE 1836 Bristol

Jane MORTIMORE 1836 Bristol (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 28 Aug 2006 04:49:30 +0000

Jane Mortimer
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 14 FEB 1836 St James, Bristol, Gloucester, England
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Parents:
Father: William Mortimer
Mother: Mary Mortimer
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Jane MORTIMORE 1838 FoD (reply)

Kirsty Hooper — Mon, 28 Aug 2006 03:54:41 +0000

Hi Slowhands,
It's possible, I suppose - although I know from Elizabeth's birth certificate in 1844 that her parents were William and Ann (TIPPINS) MORTIMER.

The really thorny thing is that there appear to be two James MORTIMER/MORTIMOREs on the 1851 census, both connected with the MORTIMER/TIPPINS family.

A thought I had is that perhaps William was married before (he is much older than Ann) and that James (1, b.1833) was his son by his first marriage, while James (2, bc1838) was his son by his second marriage. I haven't been able to find a GRO birth registration for James (2), but did find one for Mary Jane MORTIMORE in Bristol in 1838. I think she is our Jane MORTIMORE/MORTIMER - will have to acquire the birth certificate and see if it sheds any light!

Thanks again for all your help!
Kirsty

Jane MORTIMORE 1838 FoD (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 28 Aug 2006 01:36:08 +0000

Could the 1851 entry in Bristol be the Grand parents and not the Parents as recorded ???

James MORTIMORE - Parkend- West Dean, C19 (reply)

Kirsty — Mon, 28 Aug 2006 01:27:36 +0000

There is a spanner in the works! In 1851, James MORTIMER appears with parents William and Ann in Bristol, age 13 - so he can't be the same James MORTIMORE lodging with the TIPPINS family in 1851, age 19. But... in 1871, the FoD James MORTIMORE gives his place of birth as "Upper Knole [sic] Bristol" - which is where my Elizabeth was born as well. It can't be a coincidence, can it? I've checked both originals, and both read clearly as James. Help! Any suggestions?

Kirsty

Jane MORTIMORE 1838 FoD (reply)

Kirsty — Mon, 28 Aug 2006 01:15:12 +0000

Hi Slowhands, yes, it looks like it could be her, doesn't it? I think she must be the same as the Mary Jane MORTIMORE whose marriage Alfred and Elizabeth (MORTIMORE) HARRIS witnessed in 1866. I found her again on the 1861 census, lodging with a family by the name of NEAT at Parkend:

Thomas NEAT. h. 40. Forge man. Buckholt [???] Monmouthshire
Caroline NEAT. w. 40. " " . Blind
[and 5 children]
Jane MORTIMORE. lodger. 22. Whitecroft

If this is indeed her, then by 1861, when father William was living alone in Bristol, both James and {Mary) Jane were living at Parkend. No sign of Ann in 1861, although William still claims to be "married". No sign either of daughters Elizabeth (b. 1844) or Sarah (b. 1842). I've tried as many variants of MORTIMORE/MORTIMER as I can think of, but I'm sure I'm missing some!

Thanks again for the help!
Kirsty

TIPPINS Parkend- West Dean, C19 (reply)

Kirsty — Mon, 28 Aug 2006 01:01:35 +0000

Wow, Slowhands, Michael, thank you for such speedy replies! That's a lot of TIPPINS all together - and I see that most of the men were Engine Drivers, at a colliery I suppose rather than on the railways. Now if only I could link 'my' Ann in with them, that would be perfect!

I've looked again at the 1851 census entry that Slowhands quoted - I had read Ann's age as 34, putting her birth around 1817, but I can see how it could also be read as 54, putting it around 1797. Hmm... another possibility! If only I could find her on another census, it might give another clue. The only possibility I found on the 1841 census, though, was the following, which gives a birth year of 1809:

1841 Wales. Maesteg [?] GLA HO107/1422/15/14 p20
Ann MORTIMORE. 32. N
Jno. MORTIMORE. 5. N
James MORTIMORE. 2. N
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No sign of William, though...

When I looked at the IGI, I found the following possibilities:

Ann TIPPINS d. William/Sarah. Ruardean, 20 July 1800
Hanah [sic] TIPPINS d. William/Sarah. Ruardean, 8 Dec 1805

Lots to think about, so thank you again!
Kirsty

Jane MORTIMORE 1838 FoD (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 28 Aug 2006 00:05:50 +0000

1841 Ruspidge lodging with Stephen BAKER and family
Jane Mortimer abt 1838 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire

is this the same Jane who appears in Bristol in 1851 ?

1851 Windmill Hill, Bristol
William Mortimer abt 1787 South Molton, Devon, England Head Bedminster Somerset
Ann Mortimer abt 1797 Gloucestershire, England Wife Bedminster Somerset
Elizabeth Mortimer abt 1845 Knowle, Somerset, England Daughter Bedminster Somerset
James Mortimer abt 1838 Bristol Son Bedminster Somerset
Jane Mortimer abt 1838 Bristol Daughter Bedminster Somerset
Sarah Mortimer abt 1842 Bristol Daughter Bedminster Somerset

TIPPINS Parkend- West Dean, C19 (reply)

shepway — Sun, 27 Aug 2006 23:58:48 +0000

This entry from the IGI:
22 March 1790 William TIPPIN baptised at Bedwelty, Monmouth. Father John TIPPIN

Mike

TIPPINS Parkend- West Dean, C19 (reply)

shepway — Sun, 27 Aug 2006 23:53:19 +0000

GFHS transcript of 1851 gives 4 TIPPINS households next to each other in Parkend as follows:

2444 0162 044 Parkend TIPPINS William HD M 60 Engineer MON Treavling [Trevethin?]
2444 0162 044 Parkend TIPPINS Ann WI M 35 - GLS West Dean
2444 0162 044 Parkend TIPPINS William SO - 5 - GLS West Dean
2444 0162 044 Parkend BAND James LG - 13 Coal Miner GLS West Dean

2444 0162 045 Parkend TIPPINS Henry HD W 30 Engineer GLS West Dean
2444 0162 045 Parkend TIPPINS Jane DA - 8 - GLS West Dean
2444 0162 045 Parkend TIPPINS Mary DA - 4 - GLS West Dean

2444 0162 046 Parkend TIPPINS Ann HD W 84 House Wife MON Habbor Haven [Aberavon?]

2444 0162 047 Parkend TIPPINS George HD M 46 Engineer MON Vartege [Varteg]
2444 0162 047 Parkend TIPPINS Ann WI M 45 Engineer's Wife GLS West Dean
2444 0162 047 Parkend MARTIMORE James LG U 19 Labourer GLS West Dean

The following burials at Parkend may be of help:
Date: 15 MAR 1844
First Name: WILLIAM
Surname: TIPPINS
Age: 77
Burial Register: PARKEND ST PAULS 1822-1851
Place of Abode: PARKEND

Date: 2 FEB 1845
First Name: SARAH
Surname: TIPPINS
Age: 47
Burial Register: PARKEND ST PAULS 1822-1851
Place of Abode: CINDERFORD

Date: 24 APR 1847
First Name: GEORGE
Surname: TIPPINS
Age: 2M
Burial Register: PARKEND ST PAULS 1822-1851
Place of Abode: PARKEND

Mike

TIPPINS Parkend- West Dean, C19 (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 27 Aug 2006 23:14:34 +0000

1851 Parkend
George Tippins abt 1805 Marlege, Monmouthshire, Wales Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Ann Tippins abt 1806 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
James Marlimore abt 1832 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Lodger West Dean Gloucestershire

On the same census page is another Widowed Tippins :-

1851 Parkend

Ann Tippins abt 1767 Hallor; Haven, Monmouthshire, Wales Head West Dean Gloucestershire

Hallor; Haven => Aberavon ??? phoenetically at least :-)

I wonder if this is George above ?

GEORGE TIPPINGS
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Marriages:
Spouse: ANN CHARLES
Marriage: 17 MAY 1826 Newland, Gloucester, England
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M036201 1754 - 1851 0856960 Film 6911883 Film
Sheet: 00

TIPPINS/MORTIMORE - West Dean, C19

Kirsty Hooper — Sun, 27 Aug 2006 22:28:17 +0000

Hi everyone - I've just come back to the site (and genealogy) after a bit of a break and what a wonderful resource. Thank you, David!

I've been working on my Forest ancestry for several years now and have several well established lines - WORGAN, PREEST, BAGLIN, HARRIS, HEATH, HILL, THOMAS - all in West Dean. Just last week, looking at another line, I found what I think is a Forest connection - and I would love to hear from anybody who can help me prove whether it is or not.

My g-g-g-grandmother Elizabeth MORTIMER/MORTIMORE was born in Upper Knowle, Bristol in 1844 and came to the Forest (so I thought) after marrying Alfred HARRIS in Stratford upon Avon in 1865 (Alfred was the author of the diary that's been discussed here before). I've found her family in Bristol in 1851, but only her father was still there in 1861 - no sign of the rest. Elizabeth's mother was born Ann TIPPINS, in about 1817 in Gloucestershire, and I know TIPPINS is a Forest name, so in some desperation I checked the West Dean 1861 census - and found a James MORTIMORE, right name and age for Elizabeth's brother, lodging with George and Ann TIPPINS in Parkend (next door to William and Ann TIPPINS). This James seems to have stayed in the village and married - I found him again in 1871 and 1881, with a family. I also discovered (thanks to this site!) that Alfred and Elizabeth HARRIS witnessed a marriage between Mary Jane MORTIMORE and James BAND at Bream in 1866.

My question, then, is whether anybody can help me make a link between my Ann TIPPINS, born about 1817 (according to the 1851 census), and the TIPPINS family with whom this James MORTIMORE is lodging. Could Ann (bc 1817) have been a younger sister of William and George, or even William's daughter? (I notice from later censuses that they were originally from Monmouthshire)

I'd also love to hear from anyone with related interests!
Kirsty