Thanks again.
Simon

You can send a 'Data Request Correction Form - and have the record checked for you.

Not sure about the others, but useful. Thanks

Simon

From this site's PRs, are these your couple ?.

Record_ID: 42591
Entry_Number: 38
Year: 1769
Month: Aug
Day: 13
Grooms_Surname: HOWELL
Grooms_Forenames: Christopher
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Rogostorstone Grange in the County of Monmouth
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: WHITE
Brides_Forenames: Hannah
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Woolaston
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Licence
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: William Craddock
Witness_2: Mary Craddock
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Rich[ar]d Thomas Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P376 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 10
Parish_Chapel: Woolaston
Soundex_Groom: H400
Soundex_Bride: W300

Woolaston is on the Severn but not far from Tintern etc which is on the Wye so within easy reach.

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Always worth ticking the Soundex box to help spot spelling variations.
Does this suggest Christopher was a waterman ?

Record_ID: 1004540
Entry_Number: 275
Year: 1805
Month: Sep
Day: 20
Surname: HOWELLS
Forenames: Christopher
Residence: Doward
Age_at_death:
Officiating_Minister: Tho[ma]s Thomas Curate
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death: Drowned in the River Wye.
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P278 IN 1/4
Page_No: 19
Parish_Chapel: St Briavels
Soundex: H420

??

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Record_ID: 297550
Entry_Number:
Year: 1852
Month: Mar
Day: 22
Surname: HOWELLS
Forenames: Hannah
Residence: Monmouth
Age_at_death: 83
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_No:
Parish_Chapel: Monmouth
Soundex: H420

So born abt 1770, perhaps the daughter you mention ?

I see several Hannah Howell/Howells PRs in the database within this general Wyeside/Severnside area (Monmouth/Coleford then Chepstow, Lydney, Newnham etc).

Very helpful to have someone else testing out the things I've seen. Often you'll spot something I didn't notice. Much appreciated.

And the Hannah connection is pretty good, there aren't too many of them. Nor Christophers but I can find no further trace of him.

Cheers
Simon

I did wonder about Charlotte being Clarissa. Never heard of that as an alternative though.

There could be an outside chance - this baptism might be Clarissa ??? with h's looking like l's and ss looking like t's and the middle l a dotted i

1783

Charlotte HOWELS - parents Christopher & Hannah - at St Arvans Monmouth

siblings:

Jas White HOWELL - 1770
Isaac HOWELL - 1773
Mary HOWELL - 1774
Sarah HOWELL 1779

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Clarissa did have a daughter Hannah..

William BROWN's Burial records at St Arvans, Monmouth

William BROWN - 17 November 1842 - age 62 = c1780

Just using the Advance Search for witnesses - just in case other family members 'pop up' on the records.

Try and form family groups HOWELL/HOWELS/HOWEL etc from the Forest of Dean records at St Arvans

deaths:
John HOWELL - 9 February 1814 age 49 = c 1765
Mary HOWELL - 9 March 1825 age 73 = c 1752

Do Wills exist for HOWELL in St Arvans - ??

I didn't spot the family trees in Ancestry which stated that William Brown was 28 at the marriage (sometimes reported Mitchel Troy, sometimes St Arvans - e.g. FreeReg site). Where did you find the age reference?

I've prepared a table of all the Howells I can find around that time in St Arvans from all sources - Forest of Dean, FreeReg, Monmouth OPC, Ancestry, Census forms, BMD to try to identify Clara's parents, but cannot positively confirm them. I'll try the route you suggest - looking for children's names derived from the grandparents.

Do you know of any more sources of information, which I haven't tried?

Thanks and regards
Simon
NZ

Burial at St Arvans Monmouth - 7 December 1862

Clara POWELL age 76

residence: St Arvans

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Number of Public Members' trees on Ancestry and quote

'William BROWN marriage to Clara Clarissa HOWELL - Mitchell Troy 1 February 1808 aged 28

Mon OPC records show Wm & Clarissa had children from 1809 onwards. This is the only marriage which could fit. Mitchel Troy is 10 miles N of St Arvans - Freereg has m as St Arvans'

and children

John BROWN - 1809-1822
George BROWN - 1811-1822
Elizabeth BROWN - 1816-1888
Robert BROWN - 1819
Hannah BROWN - 1822-1893
Mary BROWN - 1825-1829

+ the info on the Marriage to John POWELL - Mitchel Troy Mon - 13 January 1846 aged 60

Clara BROWN married John POWELL - CLERK OF PARISH (f John POWELL Gardener) - no other details - She is described as a Widow, Farmer of this Parish . Geo & Sarah HOWELL are witnesses.***

This couple could be

Monmouthshire, St Avans - 1851

George HOWELL - 54, Grocer, born Warwick, Coventry
Sarah HOWELL - 62 - born Mon. St. Avans
Sarah SIMMONDS - 15 - Servant born St Avans

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? CLDS - Marriage at Mitchel Troy - 26 December 1826

George HOWELL/Sarah HARRY

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Ancestry : Probate (George is on the 1871 census aged 74, born Coventry, Warwickshire - lodging with Jane BROWN + George JONES - a Servant from St Briavels

George HOWELL - Effects under £200 21 March .

The Will of George HOWELL late of St Arvans in the County of Monmouth Grocer and Postmaster who died 1 March 1873 at St Arvans was proved at the Principal Registry by Samuel Gwynne Watkins of St Arvans Registrat of Births and Deaths the sole Executor.
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Try studying the 1841 census for clues

1841 census St Arvans, Monmouthshire - Page 4 of 9

John POWELL - 65 Grocer
Margaret - 70
Elizabeth - 10
Elizabeth HOWELL - 60

James PRITCHARD - 85 - Smith

then

William BROWN - 60 Farmer
Clara - 50
Hannah - 15
Thomas BAFSETT - 15 - Ag Lab. (Bafsett family on previous page)

and a few doors away

David HOWELL - 70 - Tyler
Margaret HOWELL - 70 (? CLDS - David HOWELL/Margaret JONES - 29 December 1813 - Mitchel Troy)

and on page 2 of 9

George HOWELL - 45 - Mason
Sarah HOWELL - 50

Interesting quirk is that on her marriage to John Powell, her father is omitted.

Does anyone have any suggestions for how I might find her parents?

Thanks
Simon
NZ