Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Piggery ? - Pingry

Piggery ? - Pingry (reply)

Llangrove — Mon, 01 Nov 2010 22:59:36 +0000

I recently received this info from a Forest contact....mystery solved.

"....the house that he occupied, this was in a lane known as The Piggery as there
was once a pig farm in the lane; it is now known as Tudor Walk."

This is located at Berry Hill.

Tom SMITH 1860 Speedwell / Joyford (reply)

llangrove — Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:16:31 +0000

So far I can not find a connection with George Hawkins and my clan.

I saw "the younger" Tom Smith on the 1881 Census (LDS site), also.

Thanks again.

Piggery ? - Pingry (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 29 Sep 2006 13:24:52 +0000

"The Piggery".

I wonder if this was mis heard and it was "Pingry" , nr Milkwall / Coleford ?

http://www.old-maps.co.uk/

co-ords 357616,209450

Tom SMITH 1860 Speedwell / Joyford (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 29 Sep 2006 13:12:30 +0000

a Younger contender and he knows the Hawkins family.....

1861 Speedwell
Edward Smith abt 1801 [1821] English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Smith abt 1833 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
George Smith abt 1850 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Tom Smith abt 1860 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire

1871 Joyford nr Albert Inn
Edward Smith abt 1822 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Smith abt 1833 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Alfred Smith abt 1870 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Edward Smith abt 1868 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
James Walter Smith abt 1865 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Tom Smith abt 1860 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire

1881 Coalway Lane End
Edward Smith abt 1822 Hillersland, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Smith abt 1834 Carters Piece, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire

Alfred Smith abt 1870 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Charley Smith abt 1874 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Edward Smith abt 1868 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
James Smith abt 1865 Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Sarah J. Smith abt 1873 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Tom Smith abt 1860 Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire

Living near by

George Hawkins abt 1830 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Lydia Hawkins abt 1839 Lane End, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Elenor Hawkins abt 1871 Lane End, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire

1891 Coalway Rd, Coalway lane End
Edward Smith abt 1822 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Smith abt 1843 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Alfred Smith abt 1870 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Sister [Son] West Dean Gloucestershire
Charles Smith abt 1874 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Sister [Son] West Dean Gloucestershire
Edward Smith abt 1868 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Sister [Son] West Dean Gloucestershire
Sarah J Smith abt 1873 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Sister [S] West Dean Gloucestershire
Tom Smith abt 1860 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Sister [Son] West Dean Gloucestershire

Living next door to
Elizabeth Hawkins abt 1825 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Widow West Dean Gloucestershire

1901 Barnhill Lane End
Tom Smith abt 1859 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Monmouthshire
Mary Smith abt 1868 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Monmouthshire
Alice F Smith abt 1892 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Monmouthshire
Daisy E Smith abt 1894 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Monmouthshire
Harold P H Smith abt 1900 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Monmouthshire
Lillian M Smith abt 1895 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Monmouthshire
Thomas E Smith abt 1898 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Monmouthshire

living nr Tom Teague and Harriet Hawkins !

Tom SMITH 1848 Lane End (reply)

llangrove — Fri, 29 Sep 2006 09:56:04 +0000

Thanks again, Slowhands! IF this is the same man, at least he wouldn't have trouble keeping his names straight!! Maybe he just couldn't resist women named, Harriet!! Oh well...sad but, I like the name Hawkins better than Smith. ;)

As for the other info sounding familar to you...you supplied it earlier. But now, who is this Mary Ann Hawkins, b. 1860? My poor g-g-grandfather!! Eight daughters and no sons!!!

Harriet HAWKINS 1848 Berry Hill / Five Acres (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 28 Sep 2006 22:24:20 +0000

< this feels familiar !>

1901
Philip Morgan 54 Micheltroy, Monmouth, Wales Head West Dean Monmouthshire
Harriett Morgan West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Monmouthshire
Arthur Morgan 18 Tregan, Monmouth, Wales Son West Dean Monmouthshire
Albert Hawkins 15 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Brother [Boarder] West Dean Monmouthshire
James Hawkins 21 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Brother [Boarder] West Dean Monmouthshire
Thomas Morgan 3 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Grandson West Dean Monmouthshire

1891
Joseph Attwood abt 1839 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Eliza Attwood abt 1841 Clearwell, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
+ children
Harriet Haskins [HAWKINS] abt 1850 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Servant West Dean

Gloucestershire
Albert Attwood [HAWKINS] abt 1886 Monmouth, Monmouthshire, Wales Son West Dean Gloucestershire

and

James Hawkins abt 1813 Lane End, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Jane Hawkins abt 1813 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
James Hawkins abt 1880 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Grandson West Dean Gloucestershire

1881 Berry hill
James Hawkins abt 1813 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean
Jane Hawkins abt 1813 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean
Harriet Ann Hawkins abt 1850 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean
James Hawkins abt 1880 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Grandson West Dean

1871 Berry Hill
James Hawkins 58 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Jane Hawkins 53 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Asenath Hawkins 17 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire

and

Tom Teague Hawkins 24 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Harriet Hawkins 23 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire

1861
James Hawkins Jane abt 1813 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean
Jane Hawkins abt 1813 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Ascenath Hawkins abt 1853 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Edith Hawkins abt 1841 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Eliza Hawkins abt 1843 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Harriet Ann Hawkins abt 1849 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Lydia Hawkins abt 1851 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Hawkins abt 1860 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Rhoda Jane Hawkins abt 1846 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Adams abt 1789 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Mother-in-law West Dean Gloucestershire

1851 Five Acres

Jas HAWKINS 38 Engineer West Dean
Jane 38 West Dean
Fanny 14 West Dean
Edith 11 West Dean
Eliza 8 Scholar West Dean
Rhoda 5 Scholar West Dean
Harriet 3 Scholar West Dean
Lydia 8m West Dean

1841 Coleford Meend
James Hawkins abt 1816 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Jane Hawkins abt 1816 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Edith Hawkins abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Fanny Hawkins abt 1837 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire

Tom SMITH 1848 Lane End (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 28 Sep 2006 20:55:45 +0000

A contender esp as he lived close to your Harriet - !

1901 Five Acres
Thomas Smith abt 1848 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Monmouthshire
Harriett Smith abt 1854 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Monmouthshire
Alfred Smith abt 1887 Normanton, Yorkshire, England Son West Dean Monmouthshire
Caroline E Smith abt 1891 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Monmouthshire
Jessie Smith abt 1893 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Monmouthshire
John Henry Smith abt 1889 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Monmouthshire
Lucy Smith abt 1895 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Monmouthshire
Tom Smith abt 1899 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Monmouthshire

1891 Woodgate, Lane End
Tom Smith abt 1848 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Harriet Smith abt 1852 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Alfred Smith abt 1887 Normanton, Yorkshire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Caroline E Smith abt 1890 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean
Harriet Smith abt 1885 Normanton, Yorkshire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
John H Smith abt 1889 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire

1881 44 St Johns Terrace
Tom Smith abt 1848 Gloucestershire, England Head Normanton Yorkshire
Harriet Smith abt 1853 Gloucestershire, England Wife Normanton Yorkshire

1871 Berry Hill / Lane End
John Smith Caroline abt 1817 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Caroline Smith abt 1825 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Alice Smith abt 1860 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Emma Smith abt 1858 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
John Smith abt 1862 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Milson Smith abt 1864 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Tom Smith abt 1848 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire

1861 Lane End
John Smith abt 1817 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Caroline Smith John abt 1830 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Alice Smith abt 1859 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Emma Smith abt 1858 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Jessy Smith abt 1856 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Libbiah Smith Jabt 1860 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Mary A Smith abt 1854 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Tom Smith abt 1848 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire

1851 Lane End
John Smith abt 1817 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Caroline Smith abt 1826 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Thomas Smith abt 1848 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
John Smith abt 1851 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire

Thomas William Smith

llangrove — Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:05:03 +0000

From the Christchurch Baptisms on this site

Thomas William Smith [not stated] baptised 1887

Entry Number: 288
Year: 1887
Month: Jun
Day: 30
Parents Surname: [not stated]
Child's Forenames: Thomas William Smith
Father's Forenames: [not stated]
Mother's Forename: Harriett
Mother's Surname (if different): HAWKINS
Place of Residence: Berry Hill
Occupation [not stated]
Minister: D. J. Banham (Curate)
Type of Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born Oct 10 188
Notes: Confusing record. Parent's name
stated as Son of Harriett' Parent's
Surname listed as Harriett HAWKINS.
Register Ref: P82 IN 1/5
Page Number: 36
Parish: Christchurch
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I was told by a family member that the man who fathered my grandfather was Tom Smith. The above confirmed that fact! Notice the notation that record is confusing. I'll say! Maybe the curate was trying to conceal the truth!

Entry should read:
Child's name: Albert Ernest Hawkins
born: May 6, 1887
Father's name: Thomas William Smith
Mother's name: Harriet Hawkins

Now about this sperm donor.......... Can anyone find a Thomas William Smith in the Forest? I was also told he lived a place called "The Piggery".

Thanks!
Llangrove