Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Frederick ELLWAY/Fanny BROWN : BAYNHAM

Frederick ELLWAY/Fanny BROWN : BAYNHAM (reply)

MPGriffiths — Mon, 11 Nov 2013 12:45:06 +0000

1861 Census, Newland, Ellwood

ALLAWAY

Thomas - 42 - Iron Ore Miner, all born Newland
Sarah - 40
John - 12
Fanny - 10 (1871 Census, Newland, Gloster Road, Fanny BROWN age 20 Servant, born Newland) ***

and your findings….. 1871 Census, Ellwood

ELEWAY

Thomas - 50 - labourer rail road
Saah BROWN - 46 - Servant
Fred BROWN - 8
John BROWN - 21
Harriet BROWN - 4

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?????? - not sure if this is Fanny

Marriage at Parkend - 2 June 1877

Amos BAYNHAM - age 20 - bachelor, Collier, residence: Lane End

father: Anthony BAYNHAM Collier

married

Fanny BROWN, age 24 (29 on 1881 census) - Spinster, residence, Lane End

father: William BROWN (Collier)

witnesses: Henry & Elizabeth GUNTER

1881 Census - West Dean

BAYNHAM

Anthony - 62 Coal Miner, born Glos Purle
Amos - 24 - born Glos. West Dean
Fanny - daughter-in-law - 29 born West Dean
William - Grandson - 3

Frederick ELLWAY or ELWAY b 1863 Yorkley d 1933 Westbury. (reply)

russ3238 — Mon, 11 Nov 2013 12:22:03 +0000

Thanks to all who have replied and helped me to sort this one out.

I think I now have it.

Fred was the illegitimate son of Thomas ELLWAY (b 1821 Pillowell,son of John and Mary ELLWAY died 1887)and Sarah BROWN.

Sarah was a widow and was the housekeeper to Thomas who was also widowed. The 1871 Census has them living at Ellwood with Fred having the surname BROWN. He was Thomas' son as shown in the BMD for Gloucestershire and reverted back to his correct name by 1891 when he was married.

Fred went onto have 14 children including Noah whose son William Frederick was killed in action in Holland 1945, 10 days before the end of WW2.

Thanks again

BROWN/CROOM (reply)

MPGriffiths — Mon, 11 Nov 2013 09:32:52 +0000

The unbaptised child (female) might be

18 May 1851 at Forest of Dean Bible Christian

Fanny Amelia BROWN - father: William (Collier) and Sarah (living with Sarah BROWN age 40 - 1891 census)

residence: West Dean

Notes: Bream Preaching Room

and

William BROWN was christened - at parents House - 29 September 1847 - at Newland, parents William & Sarah - (Gloucestershire Genealogical Database)

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1851 census taken - Sunday 30 March 1851 and Sarah is a Widow living at Bream Eaves

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FoD records

Burial at Bream - 6 March 1851

William BROWN

age 26

residence: Bream Eaves

Memoranda:

Sarah Brown, Bream Eaves, Widow

Sarah Anne CROOME ??? (reply)

MPGriffiths — Mon, 11 Nov 2013 08:34:43 +0000

Sarah BROWN says she was born in Woolaston around c 1823 onwards

Baptism at Woolaston

Sarah Anne CROOME - 5 February 1826 - parents William (Farmer) & Sarah Anne

Can't find a CROOM/BROWN marriage pre 1847

Fred ELLWAY born 1862, Coleford area, mother BROWN. (reply)

shepway — Mon, 11 Nov 2013 08:26:11 +0000

Try this one:
Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
ELLWAY Fred ELLWAY ELLWAY BROWN 1862 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 18 241

and these for Fred's children:
ELWAY Blanch May ELWAY ELWAY COOPEY 1887 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 57 70
ELWAY Ivy Maud ELWAY ELWAY COOPEY 1896 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, East Dean 4 478
ELWAY Lily ELWAY ELWAY COOPEY 1894 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, East Dean 2 280
ELWAY Marion ELWAY ELWAY COOPEY 1890 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 60 63
ELWAY Noah ELWAY ELWAY COOPEY 1886 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 54 449
ELWAY Rosina Eveline ELWAY ELWAY COOPEY 1892 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 63 119
ELWAY Sarah Eveline ELWAY ELWAY COOPEY 1891 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 61 251
ELWAY Thomas Luther ELWAY ELWAY COOPEY 1899 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, East Dean 7 272

Mike

Fred ELLWAY born 1862, Coleford area, mother BROWN. (reply)

Jefff — Mon, 11 Nov 2013 00:19:15 +0000

GlosBMD gives:

Birth Details

Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
ELLWAY Fred ELLWAY ELLWAY BROWN 1862 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 18 241

http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/SimpleSearch.aspx

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Best if not only "fit" I can find on FreeBMD is:

Surname Given Name District Volume Page Transcribers
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Births Sep 1862
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ALWAY Frederick George Gloucester 6a 233 DaveW
ALWAY Frederick George Gloucester 6a 233 trishell44

But why not Monmouth office, seems odd ??!!
There are other ALWAY/ALLWAYS in Gloucester/Stroud so maybe different family altogether ?. Above birth perhaps linked with
Surname Given Name District Volume Page Transcriber
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Marriages Dec 1861
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Alway George Gloucester 6a 528 icemaiden316

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ALSO from FreeBMD, perhaps more relevant to our Fred ??

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Dec 1861 (>99%)
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ELLWAY John Monmouth 11a 26
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Births Jun 1862 (>99%)
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ELLWAY James Monmouth 11a 28

Unbaptised BROWN born Bream abt March 1851 (reply)

Jefff — Mon, 11 Nov 2013 00:09:39 +0000

There is on the 1851 census at Breams Eaves

Unbistiset? BROWN - daughter - 1 week, born West Dean

GlosBMD gives:

Birth Details

Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
BROWN Female -- BROWN -- 1851 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 7 333

(ie no entry for Father Surname OR Mother's Former Name)

FreeBMD gives only these two "Brown, female" entries in all 1851 Glos BMDs, namely:

Surname Given Name District Volume Page Transcribers
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Births Mar 1851
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Brown Female Monmouth XXVI 89 Higgy
Brown Female Monmouth XXVI 89 KeithSayers

and sadly, presume same child:

Surname Given Name Age District Volume Page Transcribers
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Deaths Mar 1851
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BROWN Female Monmouth XXVI 52 phijost
BROWN Female Monmouth XXVI 52 1hartley

BROWN/CROOM (reply)

Mike Pinchin — Sun, 10 Nov 2013 23:01:44 +0000

That Unbistiset really intrigued me. I think it says "unbaptised".

BROWN/CROOM (reply)

MPGriffiths — Sun, 10 Nov 2013 22:32:39 +0000

???????

On the 1891 Census,

Sarah ELAWAY (mother) Widow - 68 born Woolaston has her daughter Fanny BROWN (Sister to Fred - who could be Alfred?) - age 40 born Yorkley.

There is on the 1851 census at Breams Eaves

Sarah BROWN - Head Widow - 28 - Pauper, born Gloucestershire, Woolastone
William - 3 - born Newland
Charles - 1 - born West Dean
Unbistiset? BROWN - daughter - 1 week, born West Dean
Robert MORSE - Lodger - unmarried - 23 - Coal Miner

Charles - 1849 - Forest of Dean, Monmouth Coleford
William - 1847 - ditto
Fanny - 185 - ditto

All the above, mother's maiden name CROOM

Frederick ELLWAY or ELWAY in 1901 (reply)

Paul Andrews — Sun, 10 Nov 2013 21:07:16 +0000

1901 England Census
Broad Street,
Littledean

RG13/2419; Folio: 7; Page: 5

Frederick Ellway - Head - M - 38 - Coal Miner Hewer - Glos Yorkley
Elizabeth Ellway - Wife - M - 32 - Glos Churcham
Marian Ellway - Daur - S - 11 - Glos Cinderford
Rosina Ellway - Daur - 8 - Glos Cinderford
Lily Ellway - Daur - 6 - Glos Cinderford
Ivy Ellway - Daur - 4 - Glos Cinderford
Thomas Ellway - Son - 1 - Glos Cinderford

Kate COOPEY/Alice ELLOWAY (reply)

MPGriffiths — Sun, 10 Nov 2013 18:55:19 +0000

1881 Census, Broad St. Little Dean

William COOPY - Boarder - Widower - 56, Labourer, born Churcham
Kate COOPY - Border, unmarried - 13, Scholar, born Churcham
Joseph COOPY - Border, unmarried - 15 - Coal Miner, born Churcham

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On the 1891 census, there is an Alice ELLOWAY - age 24, born Pillowell, working as a Servant in Gloucester - not sure if she's the HOMEY? HOLLOWAY age 15 living with Thomas & Sarah HOLLOWAY on the 1881 census

Frederick ELLWAY or ELWAY b 1863 Yorkley d 1933 Westbury. (reply)

ChrisW — Sun, 10 Nov 2013 18:47:18 +0000

According to son Noah's baptism, his mother's name was ELIZABETH KATE.

Transcript Details

Record_ID: 87855
Entry_Number: 246
Year: 1886
Month: Jul
Day: 13
Parents_Surname: ELLWAY
Child_Forenames: Noah
Fathers_Forenames: Frederick
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth Kate
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Woodside
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: C. W. Houlston
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born May [?] 1886
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/2IN 1/1
Page_Number: 31
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St Stephen
Soundex: E400

Frederick ELLWAY or ELWAY/HOLLOWAY/COOPEY (reply)

MPGriffiths — Sun, 10 Nov 2013 17:45:00 +0000

Assume this is the Frederick

1911 Census - Broad Street, L:ittle Dean, Newnham, Glos

ELWAY

Fred - 48 - married - 25 years, (c1886) 14 children born alive, ten living 4 dead - Coal Miner, Hewer, born Yorkely
Kate - 44 - born Churcham
Lily - 16 - born Cinderford
Ivy - 14 - born Cinderford
Thomas - 11 - School - born Cinderford
Frederick - 9 - School, born Little Dean
William - 5 - School - born Little Dean
Naomio - 3 - born Little Dean
Kate - 1 - born Little Dean

1891 Census, Cinderford, Pembroke Road

Fred E ELWAY 29 - Collier, born Yorkley
Kate - 25 - born Churcham
Noh - son - 5 - born Cinderford
Blanch M - 5 - born Cinderford
Marian - 1
Evelyn - 1 month
Sarah (ditto) assume ELWAY - Widow 65 ? born Woolaston
Fanny BROWN - sister - single - 40 Laundress, born Yorkley
Wm BROWN, nephew - 18 - Coal Miner, born Cinderford
Albert BROWN - nephew - 11 - born Ellwood
Elizabeth BROWN - Niece - 1 - born Cinderford
Michael BROWN - Lodger, Widr, 68 - General Labourer, born Cinderford
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1881 Census, Station Street. East Dean

Thomas HOLLOWAY - Married - 60 - Coal Miner, Born Glos. Pillowell
Sarah - 56 - born Woolaston
Fred - Son - 18 - born Pillowell
Horn…. dau - 14 - born Pillowell
Willie - son - 8 born Ellwood
Albert BROWN - lodger - 12 months, born Cinderford
George BANISTER - Lodger, unmarried - 21 - Coal Miner, born Hereford, Hawthorns

Gloucestershire bdm

mother's maiden name : COOPEY

inc

ELWAY/COOPEY

Noah - 1886
Blanch May 1887
Marion 1890
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Constance Jane - 1911 - Fod Westbury on Severn
Elizabeth Kate - 1909 - ditto
Francis William - 1905 - ditto
Frederick Morton COOPEY - 1901

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Gloucestershirebdm

Fred HOLLOWAY - married Kate COOPEY - Forest of Dean, Flaxley, St Mary the Virgin - 1885

Marriage at Flaxley - 5 October 1885

Fred HOLLOWAY - age 23 (=c1862) Bachelor, Collier, residence: Flaxley Meend

father: Thomas HOLLOWAY, Collier

married

Kate COOPEY - Spinster - residence: Littledean

father: William COOPEY, Collier

witnesses: Albert & Jane MAYO

Frederick ELLWAY or ELWAY b 1863 Yorkley d 1933 Westbury.

russ3238 — Sun, 10 Nov 2013 14:55:39 +0000

I am trying to find anything on Frederick ELLWAY or ELWAY. He just seems to have appeared in 1891. Prior to that I am lost. The latter Census 1891 onwards says he was born 1863 in Yorkley.

I cannot find a birth, baptism, marriage or Census details before 1891. I was hoping someone could help me identify his parents birth etc.
Thank you