Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Marriage Allegations

Marriage Allegations (reply)

Jefff — Wed, 15 Jan 2014 13:52:14 +0000

Hi,
this subject is totally new to me so cannot speak with any authority. I have found this RootsChat thread on Marriage Allegations which I've found very informative in general, altho sadly the specific question wrt defining "consent of friends" is yet to be unanswered....
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=19288.0

My viewpoint albeit based on very limited experience and searching tinternet is the phrase is a fairly common one and relates to friends in the usual sense, not Friends as in Quakers & Meeting House(as much as I do want to believe that idea!).

This different RootsChat thread appears to confirm this
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=251942.0

Also http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-54913.html

Yertiz(?).. Again and as before I cannot vouch for the expertise of the posters, but this thread confidently affirms such "friends" are not Quakers.
http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/showthread.php/67515-one-more-stupid-question!

Hope this helps, thanks for the interesting query.

Aristarchus Barrar (reply)

MPGriffiths — Wed, 15 Jan 2014 08:49:36 +0000

If you look at the other Marriage Allegations residence Newland 1704

i.e.

John YOUNG/Mary COOKE - 23 February 1704
John HILO/Anne LOCKER - 28 February 1704
etc

- there are also notes: The consent of friends.

Aristarchus Barrar (reply)

Mike Pinchin — Tue, 14 Jan 2014 20:04:20 +0000

My understanding is that the bridegroom made the allegation but that two friends could do it on his behalf. Perhaps this might be the case here. Someone correct me if this is wrong!

Aristarchus Barrar (reply)

Peter Preece — Tue, 14 Jan 2014 19:50:12 +0000

In my last post I mentioned Walter Merrick marrying Mary Pye in 1704 at King's Stanley, Glos. In the latest batch of Marriage Allegations I find that Record No 28916 is for Walter and Mary. I know that Walter Merrick's parents and grand-parents were founding members of the Friends Meeting House in Ross in the mid-1600s. It is thought that Walter was a Quaker but that Mary was not. Does the Memoranda: " The consent of friends" refer to Quakers? None of Walter and Mary's seven childre were in the Quaker movement. Any comments welcome.
PS This site gets better and better by the day.
Peter Preece

Aristarchus Barrar (reply)

Peter Preece — Sat, 11 Jan 2014 11:36:44 +0000

Many thanks to MPG, Jefff and the Selbyfamily for your replies which have proved very helpful. Aristarchus Barrar was the son of Artimona Merrick who married John Barrar at Hereford Cathedral in 1737. Artimona was the sister of Aristarchus and Artemidorus and others. Her parents were Walter Merrick and Mary Pye who married in 1704 at King's Stanley, Glos. Mary Pye came from Newland, FOD. The Merrick family is well documented from 1580 onwards and in the last two centuries a number of family trees have been made.
Many thanks,
Peter Preece

Aristarchus Barrar (reply)

selbyfamily — Fri, 10 Jan 2014 22:36:15 +0000

First name(s): Frances

Last name: BARRAR

Date of burial 18 Jul 1813

Age at death: 70

Calculated year of birth: 1743

Place of burial Hereford

Dedication: All Saints

County: Herefordshire

Notes:
Hereford All Saints:

Denomination: Anglican

Coverage 1772 - 1839

Number of entries: 3,024

Record source: National Burial Index

Data provider: Herefordshire Family History Society

Transcriptions © Herefordshire Family History Society

Aristarchus Barrar (reply)

selbyfamily — Fri, 10 Jan 2014 22:32:37 +0000

irst name(s): A

Last name: BARRAR

Calculated year of birth: 1757
A Barrar - could be Aristarchus

Parish of birth: -

Town of birth: -

County of birth: -

Age at attestation: 42 years

Discharge date: 8 October 1799

Attestation corps:

Attestation soldier number:

Discharge rank: Sergeant

Discharge corps: 2nd Battn Of The 35th Regt Of Foot

Discharge soldier number:

The National Archives reference: WO121

There are 2 images available for this soldier

Aristarchus Barrar (reply)

selbyfamily — Fri, 10 Jan 2014 22:28:31 +0000

Parish Records Collection burial
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First name(s): Aristarchus

Last name: BARRAR

Date of burial 7 May 1815

Age at death: 61

Calculated year of birth: 1754

Place of burial Hereford

Dedication: All Saints

County: Herefordshire

Notes:
Hereford All Saints:

Denomination: Anglican

Coverage 1772 - 1839

Number of entries: 3,024

Record source: National Burial Index

Data provider: Herefordshire Family History Society

Aristarchus Barrar (reply)

Jefff — Fri, 10 Jan 2014 18:34:53 +0000

As well as on LDS as you know, the Marriage is in this site's PRs;

Record_ID: 97878
Entry_Number:
Year: 1781
Month: Oct
Day: 14
Grooms_Surname: BARRAR
Grooms_Forenames: Aristarchus
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: of this parish
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: DIGGET
Brides_Forenames: Frances
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: of this parish
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He signs she marks
Witness_1: Thomas Phillips
Witness_2: Charles Baker
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Monmouth
Soundex_Groom: B660
Soundex_Bride: D230

Hopefuly this is of some help ?

I've found little else on other sites, except to confirm the BARRAR name seems prevalent within FreeBMD's entries for Herefordshire (Kington & Leominster) in the earlier 1800s, unlike Digges/Digget or, oddly, BarrEr.
May well be worth contacting this forum/website ?
http://www.herefordshirefhs.org.uk/forum

Browsing FreeBMD & LDS I also see a few Irish Barrars, also in Warwickshire as well as the Marches; this plus it's relative rarity all leads me to wonder if maybe it's a traveller/gipsy (canals?) surname ??

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Also from FoD PRs, not sure if related, this is the ONLY other Barrar in the PRs(no BARRERS at all);

Record_ID: 98446
Entry_Number:
Year: 1806
Month: Apr
Day: 13
Grooms_Surname: BARRAR
Grooms_Forenames: Arnold
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: of this parish
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: HOWELL
Brides_Forenames: Sarah
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: of this parish
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Licence
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He signs she marks
Witness_1: John Powell
Witness_2: Ann Taylor
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Monmouth
Soundex_Groom: B660
Soundex_Bride: H400

Also in FoD PRs are a few BORRERs, in Hope Mansell so Herefordshire side of Forest (altho FreeBMD suggests this is very much a Sussex name), and a BAROR in Bream 1774.

Aristarchus Barrar (reply)

MPGriffiths — Fri, 10 Jan 2014 16:30:40 +0000

Any information you have helps forum members i.e date of birth, place of birth etc. However, not sure this covers the Forest of Dean area.

Family Search Church of Latter Day Saints

Artistarchus BARRER married Frances DIGGES - Monmouth St Mary - 14 October 1781

Aristarchus BARRER christening - 6 July 1755 - Saint Devereux, Hereford, parents John & Artimono

? have you checked for Wills in Herefordshire for John BARRAR etc - do you have a copy of the marriage i.e. witnesses etc.

Ancestry

UK City and County Directories

Aristarchus BARRAR - 1835/1842/1858 Herefordshire

Aristarchus Barrar

Peter Preece — Fri, 10 Jan 2014 14:46:40 +0000

In my family tree I have Aristarchus Barrar born 1755 marrying Frances Digget (Digges?) in 1781 at Monmouth. I am unable to trace them after this date-1781.
Can anyone help.
Thanks.
Peter Preece