Sarah WILLIS was on page 3 of 7

Your JENKINS are on page 6 of 7

then on Page 5 of 7

….. Wood Mill/Hill - think it's Oakwood - first bit smudged out!!!

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James JINKINS - 45 (59 on 1851 census c1792 - death 22 November 1854 at Bream age 68 c 1786 - residence, Mill Hill **
Susannah - 45
James - 20
George - 18
Isabella - 10
Henry - 8
Thomas - 6
John - 4
Elizabeth 2

*** Register of Freeminers 1838, James JENKINS, age 44 c1794, residence: Oakwood Mill

So a Freeminer as well as Thomas

James JENKINS married Susannah PHIPPS - at Newland, 5 June 1817

Fod Records

Susannah PHIPPS christened at Newland 17 October 1795, parents George & Isabella

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According to Public Members Tree, James JENKINS' parents were George & Sarah (nee BEACH) JENKINS - who married at Newland 23 February 1773 - by Licence, witnesses Thomas BEACH and R WILLIAMS

Licence says, George JENKINS was age 26 and Sarah BEACH was aged 19 and father's name was John BEACH

James was christened at Newland - 24 December 1793
Thomas was christened at Newland - 28 April 1785

I am beginning to learn the art.

I'll work through your suggestions and see where it gets me on my learning curve.

Thanks again
janet

The page and a half on this 1841 needs copying out and transcribed properly …

There is a searchable transcription of the 1841 and 1861 Census for the Forest of Dean on this site.
Tompsomes is Temperance.

Mike

Trying to fathom this out, but a bit brain dead!!! Hard day on the golf course!!!

By using the Advance Search and looking for witnesses sometimes helps…..

e.g. At the marriage at St Briavels 4 December 1834 - when Joseph TEAGUE a Widower, married Emma PRIEST, one witness was Maria JENKINS !!!

Again, looking at the witnesses of Thomas JENKINS to Maria PREEST in 1811 - one witness was Philip WILLIS who married Sarah ELSMORE in Newland 18 May 1812 and seemed to have a Son John Elsmore WILLIS christened at Bream 21 March 1813 -
Can see John E WILLIS, in later census' in Wales.

Looking at the 1841 census in Elwall

Absalom JINKINS - 30 - Miner
Mary Ann - 5
Eliza - 2
John ELSMORE - 60 - Ind (Will 15 October 1850 - Sarah WILLIS, his sister, wife of Philip WILLIS)
Sarah - 60
Sarah WILLIS - 58

and various JINKINS below them (Ancestry has transcribed these families in all different way i.e Charles wife is Tompsomes??

The page and a half on this 1841 needs copying out and transcribed properly …

Fod Records, Charles Lewis JENKINS married Temperance ELLAWAY - Hundred of St Briavels - 13 July 1833 - witnesses: William Lewis JENKINS and Wm ELLAWAY)

Absalom + his family, Enos JENKINS and wife Catharine CAVENDER - who married at Hewelsfield - 7 December 1838 - father: James JENKINS, Shoemaker : witnesses: Elam JENKINS and Eliza BEACH and on Public Members Tree - Enos JENKINS died 1870 Pottsville Northwest Ward Schuglkill, Pennsylavania…..

? is Enos, Enon JENKINS - christened 24 May 1818 - parents James (Shoemaker) & Maria

inc: William JINKINS age 73 (Shoemaker) and Catherine 65 - then a family of LEWIS

? Is there any connection between WILLIS/JENKINS/ELSMORE

1841 census Mill Hill
JENKINS Thomas 55
JENKINS Maria 45
JENKINS Thomas 20
JENKINS Daniel 15
JENKINS James 15
JENKINS Shadrach 10
JENKINS Kezia 8
JENKINS Ann 5
JENKINS Meshach 5
JENKINS Alice 2

1851 (Mill Hill, nr Bream’s Eaves)
JENKINS Maria Widow/er 55 West Dean
Meshach ?12 Coal Miner West Dean
Alice 11 West Dean

The 1841 census rounds the ages of those over 15 down to the nearest 5
(under 15s recorded accurately).

Since the census was taken on 6th June 1841, I have been looking for dates of birth for Thomas Jenkins from 1782 to 1786. Thomas Jenkins and Maria Priest were married in 1811 which fits nicely with their first born child Elizabeth Jenkins in 1812.
There are a few possibles for Thomas in this time frame including George x Sarah Jenkins at Bream, and Thomas x Sarah Jenkins also at Bream.

The George x Sarah parentage fits best giving Thomas Jenkins a dob of May 1785 and this fits with a listed death in March 1845 aged 59 at Oakwood Mill.

The facts so far fit but I don't have much to connect them.

There is an entry in the freeminer's register which fits the dates too

Record_Number: 23
Thomas JENKINS
Calculated Year of Birth: 1785
Age: 53
Day: 1 Sep 1838
Residence: Breams Eaves

The only other tenuous "evidence" I can make fit is this ...

George and Sarah Jenkins have a son Isaac Jenkins in 1778 who has a son Josiah in 1816 at Elwwod who marries Annie Beach in 1838.
George and Sarah Jenkins have a son Thomas Jenkins in 1785(who marries Maria Priest in 1811)
George and Sarah Jenkins have a son James Jenkins in 1793 (who marries Susannah Phipps in 1817)
James, Thomas and Josiah Jenkins are in adjacent houses on the 1841 census at Mill Hill.

ANY snippet of information to help indicate that this is more than an hypothesis would be great

Many thanks for reading this far

Janet

Record_ID: 51280
Entry_Number: 47
Year: 1788
Month: Oct
Day: 5
Grooms_Surname: JENKINS
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation: Yeoman
Grooms_Residence: of this parish
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: GODWIN
Brides_Forenames: Mary
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: of this parish
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: 14 21 & 28 Septe
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Charels Vaughan
Witness_2: Thos Godwin
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: William Barnes
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P310 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 12
Parish_Chapel: Staunton
Soundex_Groom: J525
Soundex_Bride: G350

I think the most likely candidates from the FoD PRs are;

Record_ID: 258469
Entry_Number:
Year: 1761
Month: Jul
Day: 5
Parents_Surname: JENKINS
Child_Forenames: James
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Margaret
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P310 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 5
Parish_Chapel: Staunton
Soundex: J525

Record_ID: 1044348
Entry_Number:
Year: 1760
Month: Nov
Day: 30
Parents_Surname: GODWIN
Child_Forenames: Mary
Fathers_Forenames: George
Mothers_Forenames: Eleanor
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Staunton Colford Gloucester
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: Mr Woolley Rector
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P276 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 15
Parish_Chapel: Rudford
Soundex: G350

[NB Rudford is the far-eastern edge of the Dean towards Gloster, but note the family's place of residence, presume Mary's parents/mother originate from Rudford ?]
This prior thread MAY be relevant
http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=38354

Thomas JENKINS was christened at Newland 30 January 1791 (on FoD records, residence: Berryhill) - Siblings, John - 9 December 1804 at Newland, residence: Berryhill.**

parents : James JENKINS and Mary GODWIN

This couple on the above tree, have a marriage date given 5 October 1788 Staunton, Glos (Ancestry, Staunton by Monmouth)

** 1861 Census St Briavel

John JENKINS - 57 - Farmer of 6 acres born Newland
Elizabeth JENKINS - 49 - born St briavels

?

Fod Records

Marriage at Christchurch - 27 February 1854

John JENKINS, full age, Widower, Haullier, residence: West Dean

father: James JENKINS - occupation Collier

married

Elizabeth HULIN - full age, Widow

residence: St Briavels

father: James HULIN, Farmer

by banns

witnesses: James HULIN and Emily HULIN

Their father was Thomas Jenkins married to Maria Priest. I am now trying to work out who Thomas's parents were.

Any hints given in your Samuel Jenkins research re his paternal grand parents?

Janet

When Samuel died his brother Shadrach wrote a Poem which I will upload to Documents and Articles when I have time.