Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Baglin/Teague marriage query

Baglin/Teague marriage query (reply)

Jean Herbert — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:29:34 +0000

There is a very small link with the Herbert/Phelps family but very far back. The main reason I posted my query is to ask about "Marriage with consent of friends", which Slowhands kindly explained.
Regards Jean Herbert

Baglin/Teague marriage query (reply)

huff — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:31:18 +0000

I am researching my wife`s family tree and have discovered an Edward Teague born in 1810.He married an Elizabeth Nelmes in 1834 at Newlands.Their children were George, born 1834,Ann,born 1836 and Thomas,born 1837.Thomas married Mary Ann Creese in 1864 in Bream.There may be a link with your family or not!

Baglin/Teague marriage query (reply)

geo49e — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:18:57 +0000

Elinor was the eldest sister of James Teague, my great great great grandfather. The Teague family lived at Barn Hill Lodge for about 50 years. James immigrated to America in 1854 and eventually settled in Fayette Co., Iowa. My records indicate that none of William and Susannah's children were married close to the lodge. James married Susan Thomas in Goodrich, England. Thanks for the extra information Jean Herbert and slowhands.

George BIRD 1813 ish HER & Ann BAGLIN 1813 (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:16:56 +0000

looks promising

1841 Coleford Meend
George Bird abt 1816 Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Ann Bird abt 1816 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Emma Bird abt 1835 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Eleanor Bird abt 1838 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Sarah Bird abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

next door

Sarah Baglin abt 1756 Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Isaac Baglin abt 1781 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Baglin abt 1781 Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
John Baglin abt 1811 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

1851
George Bisel abt 1813 Not Known, Herefordshire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Bisel abt 1813 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Bisel abt 1846 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Ellen Bisel abt 1838 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Bisel abt 1836 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Leah Bisel abt 1849 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Bisel abt 1850 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah Bisel abt 1840 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

1861
George Bird abt 1812 Herefordshire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Bird abt 1813 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Eliah Bird abt 1848 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
George Bird abt 1858 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Bird abt 1851 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Isaac Baglien abt 1775 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Lodger West Dean, Gloucestershire

Ellinor TEAGUE 1816 (reply)

Jean Herbert — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:00:03 +0000

Reference to the marriage Slowhands found, second Baglin marriage "With consent of friends"
The marriage was of George Bird to Anne Baglin.
Would the Anne Baglin be the same person as the following baptism record? If I am correct, this would make her the cousin of William Baglin who married Eleanor Teague. Williams father was Daniel Baglin born abt 1777 and mother Mary Dobbs. Daniels brother would be Isaac. If this is the case, it would link two lines in my tree.(If I am very lucky) Regards Jean

Record_ID: 43523
Entry Number: 9
Date :28 Feb 1813
Parents Surname: BAGLIN
Child Forenames: Anne
Father's Forenames: Isaac
Mother's Forenames: Elizabeth
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence: Short Standing
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating Minister: P M Procter
Event type: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register Reference: P227 IN 1/6
Page No: 2
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex: B245

Baglin/Teague marriage query (reply)

ChrisW — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 04:42:13 +0000

Perhaps her parents disowned her when they found out she was with child?

Ellinor TEAGUE 1816 (reply)

Jean Herbert — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 04:31:18 +0000

Thanks to your efforts Slowhand, the mystery seems to be cleared up, especially the hasty marriage. Thanks again. Jean Herbert

BAGLIN / BIRD marriage query Abenhall too ! (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:54:08 +0000

Year: 1832
Month: Dec
Day: 23

Groom Surname: BIRD
Groom Forenames: George
Groom Age at Marriage:
Groom condition: [not stated]
Groom Rank or Profession:
Groom Residence: Hund[re]d of St. Braivils
Groom Father's Surname:
Groom Father's Forenames:
Groom Father's Rank or Profession:

Bride Surname: BAGLIN
Bride Forenames: Anne
Bride Age at Marriage:
Bride Condition: [not stated]
Bride Rank or Profession:
Bride Residence: Hund[re]d of St. Braivils
Bride Father's Surname:
Bride Father's Forenames:
Bride Father's Rank or Profession:

Licence or Banns: Banns
Date of banns:
Signature or Mark: He marks; she signs
Witness 1: Mark of William Baglin
Witness 2: Lydia Teague
Other witnesses:
Officiating Minister: Edmund Probyn Rector
Event type: Marriage
Memoranda: with consent of friends Transcriber's Notes:
Register Reference: P1 IN 1/9
Page No: 63
Parish_Chapel: Abenhall

Ellinor TEAGUE 1816 (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:43:12 +0000

I'm not a lawyer ----- but technically it would seem a flawed marriage, as her parents were alive.

August '32 - Jan '33 might explain things

Year: 1833
Month: Jan
Day: 16
Parents Surname: BAGLIN
Child Forenames: Sarah
Father's Forenames: William
Mother's Forenames: Eleanor
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence: Forest of Dean
Occupation: Coalminer
Officiating Minister: By me Jno (sic) Mountford M.A. Licensed Curate
Event type: Baptism
Memoranda: Wedn[esda]y
Notes:
Register Reference: P93 IN 1/4
Page No: 96
Parish_Chapel: Coleford

Year: 1833
Month: Jun
Day: 6
Surname: BAGLIN
Forenames: Sarah
Place of Residence: Coleford Lane End
Age at death: 5 months
Officiating Minister: T.R. Garnsey
Event: Burial
Cause of death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register Reference: P82 IN 1/1
Page No: 23
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

Ellinor TEAGUE 1816 (reply)

Jean Herbert — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:34:35 +0000

Thank you once again Slowhands. Would this signify that the couple eloped or for whatever reason decided to get married without parental consent. Was this marriage legal? Regard Jean Herbert

Ellinor TEAGUE 1816 (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:26:14 +0000

Year: 1816
Month: Sep
Day: 12
Parents Surname: TEAGUE
Child Forenames: Eleaner
Father's Forenames: William
Mother's Forenames: Susan
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence: Barn-hill Lodge
Occupation: Keeper
Officiating Minister: Tho. F. Jennings
Event type: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register Reference: P82 IN 1/1
Page No: 6
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

Whoops - Parents alive in 1831/41/51

1841 Barn Hill Lodge
William Teague abt 1796 Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Susan Teague abt 1791 Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Alice Teague abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
James Teague abt 1822 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Sarah Teague abt 1827 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
George Yarworth
Lydia Yarworth

1851
William Teague abt 1813 Walcot, Somerset, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Susannah Teague abt 1793 Whitchurch, Herefordshire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Alice S Teague abt 1846 Ripon, Yorkshire, England Granddaughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Alice Wilcox abt 1831 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Jonah Wilcox abt 1826 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son-in-law West Dean, Gloucestershire

1851
Lydia Yarworth abt 1820 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
George Yarworth abt 1820 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah J Teague abt 1844 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Niece West Dean, Gloucestershire

Baglin/Teague marriage query (reply)

Jean Herbert — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:21:50 +0000

This is as much as I know about her at this time.

Marriage of William to Eleanor Teague
Record_ID: 176 Entry Number: 176
Date :6 Aug 1832
Groom :William BAGLIN Bachelor
Groom Residence: Hund[re]d of St. Braivils
Bride :Ellen TEAGUE
Bride Residence: Hund[re]d of St. Braivils
Licence or Banns: Banns
Signature or Mark: He marks; she signs
Witness 1: Rich[ar]d Lowe Witness 2: Lydia Teague
Officiating Minister: Edmund Probyn Rector
Memoranda: with consent of friends
Transcriber's Notes:
Register Reference: P1 IN 1/9
Page No: 59
Parish_Chapel: Abenhall

Baglin/Teague marriage query (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:12:24 +0000

Is Ellen(or) aged about 15/16 and from Christchurch by any chance ?

1841 Coleford Meend
William Baglin abt 1811 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Eleanor Baglin abt 1816 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

If so then they would need parental/guardian consent.......under Hardwicks Marriage Act.

however if they went to a church where they were not known, etc etc then ....

Witness and younger sister :-

Year: 1819
Month: Apr
Day: 29
Parents Surname: TEAGUE
Child Forenames: Lydia
Father's Forenames: William
Mother's Forenames: Susanna
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence: Barn Hill Lodge
Occupation: Keeper
Officiating Minister: S.F. Morgan
Event type: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register Reference: P82 IN 1/1
Page No: 14
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

Baglin/Teague marriage query

Jean Herbert — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 02:41:01 +0000

William Baglin married Ellen (Eleanor) Teague on 6 Aug 1832 in Abenhall. Neither parents are shown. In the memorandum section it shows "With consent of friends". Can anyone explain what this means. Jean Herbert